warsaw-pickup - yohamis-stories

When I started I'd scan the freelance sites and craigslist That's back in 2002 I was making banners for websites and stuff like that Then flash banners Flash banners became mini games for advertising Then flash apps and other stuff Then Venezuela had a militar coup and the economy went to shit (it was already shit) so I sold my pc and bike and whatever I had and bought a plane ticket to Argentina with 300 bucks in my pocket (100 got stolen so I had 200 on arrival and no belongins) I went to a very cheap town where I knew a girl and booked a hotel I had no money to pay for Went every day to a cyber cafe (all this is before we had internet everywhere) so I could scan freelance sites and get small paying jobs doing crap Eventually I had enough money to move to buenos aires and rent a shitty apartment With some portfolio on my website, some clients started to find me Everytime I had something nice done I'd spam all the agencies in USA and UK offering cheap labor One of the smaller gigs there was making games in flash still, I'd get 500 bucks for a game Then one guy came and asked if I could do a bigger game for 5,000 USD, jumped to it That turned into more clients wanting bigger games So that was 2005 now And I was a beta socialist Bigger idea ever, I'll put my pseudo girlfriend on the same level of power I have and register a company so she can have a job and hire a bunch of people to do what they want to do in life so we can all do the utopia - over the course of a few months I turned my empty apartment into an office with 20 computers and people working for me A year later I was bankrupt(edited) I had to work another six months on my own finishing unfinished projects so I could get the money and pay the compensation of people I fired That was my first realization that socialism doesnt work

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Of all the biz in that year, making games was the more fun and stuff was reusable, so I made a new company to do games only I got a smaller team - 10 people, doing only games, one task each, but still very much focused on that people were only doing 'what they like' but now with more control and under my command and less free style I put a website and spammed every ad / creative agency / gaming studio / portal etc offering games This went semi ok for 2 years, I was still making little money with all the salaries, taxes and shit Say a game would come in for 10K, take a month to do I was running after every employee so they'd do their job, then having fights with the pseudo girlfriend who was drunk in power and in a position way above her skill level(edited) Pay salaries for 10 guys, rent, taxes, then other costs Money disappears quickly - but I saw that I didn't need all these guys and I could get most of these games done myself So year 2007 comes and Im learning Game - I start 'practicing game' with my employess So I switch from asking to telling - cocky instead of supplicative -banter instead of trying to get along, it works like a charm. Works with clients too Year 2008, a pshycho girl I've been trying to snag for a year rejects me again, then the world crisis hit, I had enough - close the office, sell everything, end with no money but with a lot of insight and contacts That's when I go fulltime Player - I make one or two games on my own every couple months, make 10-20K minus people I have on a freelance bases, put it in my pocket, party hard

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Since then every client comes as a referall from someone else For the longest time all the money I was making was destined to make music So I never grew the business or invested on it I saved half a million dollars and built a recording studio The problem with that approach is that it takes money from something that makes money and puts it into something that doesnt (yet) While I was doing that a bunch of my clients went millionaire with the games I made for them Right now my main client. www.frvr.com is making a million bucks a year and half their catalog is my making Before that a casino site, I built all their stuff and they made like 20 million So since I've been here in Liechtenstein Im using the money from games to put it into a couple games and plan to make that a biz Then use that money to make music and have that produce money too Music is an incredible expensive industry and can't come 'from the bottom' Plus it was non existing industry in the places where I've lived

What kind of music do you produce?

Pop / rock / indie

Nice

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In 2008 I was a PUA Cold approach, chasing girls, funneling girls Online game Pickup lines Stacking I had been doing game since 2006 but not really, I was afraid 2008 I went fulltime It didn't really work Well it kinda did I was chatting 15 girls at a time all the time but 'nothing happened' I'd go to dates and 'nothing happened' Chat back and forth and 'nothing happened' I was 'missing something' So it was 2 things At the same time that I was learning game and chatting a bunch of girls I was running an office where I was beta in charge And I was pursuing a waif drama girl who had me on the hook chasing her like a mofo for about a year Chasing her like a mofo and she was just doing bait and run I didnt' even kiss that girl once(edited) Besides her I was doing online game and crap and getting some traction then I'd go to dates and nothing 'happened' I'd go do something with the waif and 'nothing happened' I'd try to kiss her and she'd put a wall But she'd like all my PUA material I gave myself a timeline and a deadline that if I couldn't bang the waif I'd change everything and do this fulltime till I'd figure it out So I coudn't bang the waif I remember the day - I was full of 'love' for the girl She hadn't talked to me in days And all I wanted to do was to go online and pursue her more Or call her Or make her feel bad for what she was doing Etc (edited)

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That plus blue balls of not having had sex in more than a year So I closed the office for a week to think At the end of that week I fired everyone(edited) I moved to a smaller appartment and worked there to pay the money for all the debt I accumulated firing people And gamed the rest of the time That was my PUA fulltime phase So I was going everywhere and focusing on girls and flirting with girls and flirting and initiating conversations with every girl I'd see, wether I like her or not I found that ugly girls were way more receptive than hot girls so I gamed dozens of ugly girls X-) Practice(edited) So - I had every DVD and material and book and was watching that all the time, RSD Pickup 101 deangelo Bad Boy etc The main thing was one bit that I took from Bad Boy - that you need to be a casanova since the moment you wake up in the morning So I was trying that I had two main issues with all the systems - keeping track Paying attention to what I had already said to the girls I'd end up saying the same lines to the girls because I had them memorized DHV stories repeated, then not knowing what to say where

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1 Etc a bunch of nonsese But then - one line from Tyler not sure in which video He said this "Take her to a place near your home, have a couple drinks, then take her home and bang her, it's really that simple" That clicked The other thing that I was ingraining From Lance "Treat her like you treat everyone" that mean doing kino to everyone and gaming everyone And "If you feel natural so will she" So - even though I hadn't had sex in over a year, I took one of the girls I picked up with Daygame on a date To a fucking MOVIE But in the cue when we were just chatting, I kissed her No preparation, no ramp, no nothing, I just kissed her Like it was the most normal thing in the world Like we were lovers already - natural No chase no pickup no ramp no attraction no negs nothing, just a kiss Then a few more kisses in the movie and my hand on her leg Then after I tell her "Are you hungry, I have pizza at home" Her: where do you live? "Right there" I had picked a place for the date half a block from my home So we go up, Im warming the pizza, I sit on the couch, bring her to me, we make out Hands on boobs Acting like it's the most natural thing in the world I grab her pussy

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I put a finger in - she's wet like a mf So I throw her in bed, take her clothes off and fuck her All the time thinking WAS IT REALLY THIS SIMPLE THE WHOLE TIME While Im banging her Im looking and her body and thinking - all the time chasing the waif girl, she would have been just like this, same body, same pussy, same moans, same everything. But there I was chasing her like she had something special The only thing special about her is how she played with my head So that girl stayed the whole night and I banged her for hours (edited)

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She left the next morning And with these bits I formulated my new rule or Rules(edited) 1) No lies, no pickup, no bullshit. Specially no lies as I can't remember my own lies. So I speak the truth and if for whatever reason I don't want to say the truth, I play around with words, but no lying, no imposting, no fake pua shit 2) No 'needy chase scarcity chase chase chase' for any girl who doesn't treat me like Im the guy she wants to bang. "is this how she would treat brad pitt"? if not, I don't engage. Or I engage to flirt but I dont push forward. This was a defense mechanism to not get hooked with girls who just wanted to mess with my head 3) Treat every girl the same. There are no special girls. I had just banged a girl in under 2 hours of meeting her. Her sex was as good as anyone else's. So treat all the girls the same, treat everyone the same, game everyone, and put limits to everyone if they don't respect my boundaries. There's no special people(edited) 4) Be normal, be natural. This doesn't mean doing normal things - it means that even if you do outrageous things, doesn't matter what they are, you do them like they are second nature to you. If you are feeling normal and acting like everything is ok, then everyone plays along and follow your lead. So if I want to take the girl home and bang her, I do so as if it's the most natural thing in the world. If I want to make out with her, I do so naturally. If I speak or talk or put a limit- I do so naturally. I act with confidence like this is the most normal thing to me. So how do I do that then? I need to do this ALL THE FUCKING TIME So it must be TRUE

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That's when I switched from PUA to PLAYER, after my first success in Game So I had paid my debts and had more money and time and rented a better place to be my bachelor pad It was in the party / pubs / restaurant area, so I could have dates below my building and bring them up(edited) Clubs 2 blocks from my place I set my schedule to go out 4 times a week I had a band and was rehearsing and playing live Taking acting classes and going to different social circles There I was- meeting a girl, taking her to a date, bringing her home and banging her - or forgetting about her if that didn't work Because of the volume of girls I was letting go of many girls that I didn't bang on date 1 So that activated something new - all these girls I didn't chase were coming back on their own And became bang on date 2 a week or two after I had ignored them And then the last thing that made the circle I was going to a bunch of parties and meetups and crap but the events were not fun enough, so I thought of organizing my own Actually - step back

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One of the events I was going was an expat meetup on a park to play chess I was a regular there, I love chess plus some cute girls would come by from time to time and play games The guy organizing that left for a trip so I was put in charge To attract more people I added other games to the meetup, cards and stuff like that It became popular quickly - and I saw how being in the center of that social group made everything that I was doing Game wise have a multiplier effect So I started inviting some of these people to my band rehearsals Then winter came and we couldn't do the meetups in the parks so I moved these to my apartment Then every girl that I'd meet anywhere else I'd invite her to my rehearsals, or band plays on weekends, or a meetup at my place Then I started introducing people from my acting classes to the meetups to the band rehearsal to whatever - a real carousel And every time I'd like a girl I'd take her on date near home, then bring her up and bang her OR let her go and she'd come back on her own a week later Then the end result of that was a true 'player lifestyle' where everyone knew I was banging all the girls Which had the effect of girls making a cue Like 4 girls in my kitchen (while on a party) all fighting over who's gonna get some time Girls telling their friends that "Im off limits don't try anything with him he's mine" sort of thing, before I even had done anything with any of them So all that happened rather quickly And that was still a 'posture' from me X-) I was acting alpha and having a lifestyle and being the contextual alpha but the top guy frame hit much later

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Looking back - what I was doing is 'doing what works' Thinking on every instance 'what would be the alpha thing to do' and do that And if I didn't know, do nothing Till the alpha thing to do would show up, then I'd do that The only real issue I had was semi falling in love with some girls Then watch them walk away And not being able to properly end relationships All that ended in a failed harem btw and that social circle exploded and collapsed with multiple girls making sub tribes at war with each other, with me at the center The explosion teared up my band too So that was iteration #1 End of story Ah min Once in one of my meetups at home there's a bunch of girls on my bed singing karaoke So I naturally go and put my head on the ass of one and my hand on the leg of another one The girl I have my head on her butt starts careessing my hair And Im careesing the leg of another one Then another girl comes back and looks at us and is like "Hey what is going on here!" but she stays - so I grab her hand and she sits on the bed and Im caressing her fingers with my hand all while rubbing the other girls leg and the one that is being my pillow caressing my hair Then another girl comes and sits on my lap AND THEN my main harem girl enters the room and sees us And I just look at her With a grin on my face

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I knew I could have a fifth some but I didn't know how to So a couple of the girls feel awkward that the main girl is there and start moving and the magic breaks But I knew I could have pushed that more eh 'pushed' bad word I was a passenger of that situation - I didn't create it That's why it broke So a week or so later, another girl that I had banged came to my meetup and we were chating, then my main girl was there too, people came and left I make out with the newer girl, she starts saying 'oh but your main girl is there she doesn't mind?" I bring my main girl, make out with her in front of new girl Then have them both make out People leave - I get my first threesome This is 2009 still And that next morning is when I walk to buy cigs and I notice every girl in a 1km radius is looking at me with hunger That's the first time it happened Just walking around - every girl wants it. Why? they all know, somehow, that Im the winner guy who just banged 2 girls Even though I have hangover and Im dressed like homie But in the presence of 'that guy' all the girls are feral Ah all while this the waif girl was trying to get into my life again, no luck for her And that closes the story time

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Here's a simulated story I worked on with Lucretius as an example of what I'd do in each situation. It's a simulation but it mirrors my type interactions very closely ================== (edited)

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At the expat drinks event Me: Hi Her: hi Me: whats up Her: just enjoying drinks Me: How many so far? don't get too drunk Her: haha. Just the first Me: Well the night is young ;-) Me: Do you come here often? it's my first time Her: it is also my first time. Just arrived last month Me: I was wondering if it's always this quiet of if it picks up Me: We're do you come from Her: you wouldn’t guess Me: mmm maybe Me: (ear closer) Say something, let me hear that accent Her: what do you want me to say? Me: Say "Im a secret agent and Im here to steal your nukes" Her: hahaha Her: I’m a secret agent and I’m here to steal your nukes Me: Sorry you can't have them, they are mine Her: haha Her: so where am I from? (edited)

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Me: You're a KGB from Russia, obviously Her: nope. Guess again Me: Still thinking we're in the cold war Me: Aight let's do a game then Me: I'll try three times Me: If I don't guess you give me a kiss on the cheek Me: Ready? Her: whatttt!!! ;-) Her: ok, go Me: Well you're supposed to ask "what do I give you if you guess" Her: ok. What do I give you if you guess it right Me: You pay my bills for a month Her: pfffft Me: We need some stakes here Me: Aight if you guess, I leave it up to you Me: Im sure you're generous Her: I buy you a beer Me: From paying my bills to a beer - what an upgrade Me: Here I go, ready? Her: haha. Consider yourself lucky Me: Im the luckiest Me: First guess Me: .....

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Me: Canada Her: nope Me: Dang. Hot or Cold? Her: cold Me: Yeah it's cold in Canada Her: haha. Not from canada Me: Aight Me: Second guess... Me:... Me: ! .. no Me: Ok I got it Me: Zimbawe Her: hahaha. Still wrong. It’s in europe Me: HEY dont tell me that much Im gonna get it Me: I need that money to cover my bills you promised Her:

Her: you get a beer! Me: Cheap ass Her: nothing else Me: Third guess.... and last one Me: Last one for real Me: .... . . . . .. .. . . Me: ... .. Me: Sure not from Zimbawe? Her: ya

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Me: Maybe your mom or something Me: ok (another guy coms in and interrupts) Me: (to guy) Wait a min we're doing a game Me: She does my laundry for a week if I guess Me: OK... Me: Spain Me: Nope! no beer for you!! Me: Dang. Was it cold or hot? Her: serbia Her: : - P Me: Pff I would have NEVER guessed Me: Not it a MILLION years. Is that a country? Her: place where there is the most beautiful girls Me: hah and the most modest ones too Her: (rolls eyes but smiling) Me: Aight, hi girl from Serbia Me: Where's my kiss on the cheek Her: hahaha Her: maybe later. You didn’t play hard enough Me: Careful there you may try later and I'll be unavailable Her: let’s see ; - ) Me: I'll see you around Her: you leaving? Me: Gonna say hi to some friends (as I walk) Her: (conflicted but does nothing)

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=================== Later, Im chatting with a group of people across the room Her: (giving me eyes while Im talking with other guys / girls) Me: (LOUD across the room) Yes? Her: (pur lips for a kiss across the room) Me: (point at my cheek and make face, do you mean this?) Her: (with one finger - calls you to come over) Me: (I say I'll be back to the people Im with) (walk across the room to where she's at) Her: your back Me: Someone called Me: A girl from Uganda I think Her: haha Her: here is your kiss (kisses in the cheek) Me: Thanks, too late though now I need interests (offer the other cheek) Her: ok, I guess I deserve that (kiss in the other cheek) (Other girls and guys looking on to see what happening) Me: Im sure you deserve more than that ; - ) Me: So hows your night going Her: haha Her: going good, thanks (edited)

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Her: yours? Me: Chilling, very quiet really Me: Im going to go to [way better bar] in a while, wanna come? Her: where is that? Me: Ah it's in the red zone where all the crime happens Her: haha Her: your funny Me: Don't worry they know me and nobody will harm you Her: I came by bike. You too? Me: Serbian girls in bikes uh Me: I came in Metro Her: you suppose to have a bike, you know Her: everyone rides a bike Me: They don't make them in the colors I like Her: haha Her: well I can’t leave my bike and you come by metro Me: How big is your bike? Me: Maybe we can sell it Her: haha. No we are not doing that Me: You still need to pay my bills not getting off the hook Her: stop it : - P Me: Don't worry the [better bar] is around the corner, we can walk Her: ok, I get my bike and we go Me: Aight I'll say bye to my new friends over there(edited) Me: See if someone's coming

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Her: (Goes and gets her bike) ============ So we continue at the next bar (one guy from another group is coming along). So it is you + guy + girl Her: hi, I am Stella (to other guy) Guy + girl following me I go walk side to the girl with our hands touching as we move I grab her hand Girl grabs my hand and is following my lead Guy is following and asks Guy: where we going? Me: Canada Guy: haha. The bar smartass Her: (smiles) Me: (I laugh) right there (point finger) Me: I was there last week and was fun Guy: sounds cool. You two know each other? Me: They only accept couples so you've got 30 secs to find somebody Guy: fucckkkkk. We see when we get to the door if there someone Her: (smiles) Me: mmm there may be 'someone' just careful with the surprises (edited)

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Guy: what you mean? Me: Just gotta be careful it's not a ladyboy Me: Not that there's anything wrong with that Me: If that's your thing Guy: haha. Fuck no. Her: hahaha Me: Well you never know! Guy: you being real that it’s for couples only? Me: There's an epidemic invasion of ladyboys Me: From Serbia Her: (punches my arm) Me: (I squeeze her butt) The hand that was holding her hand lets go, squeezes the ass cheek and pushes her away shortly, then holds her hand again) Me: Nah it's not that kind of bar. But we'll find you someone there Me: A lady, hopefully Guy: (feels like the 3rd wheel) Guy: yeah, let’s see what happens Me: (I do some rapport with the guy to normalize the situation All I did so far was to neutralize the guy) Her: (silent while me and guy talking) Her: (she squeezes my hand a little) Me: hold on Me: (I stop and kiss her) Guy: (feeling awkward) Guy: I think I am gonna head out and find another bar. Guy: you too have fun Me: Aight man, lets catch up tomorrow for that thing we talked before Guy: sure. What’s your number? Me: number Guy: cool. We text and make plans tomorrow or so Me: Awesome bro Guy: cheers man (waves and walks off) Her: (smiles that guy is gone) (edited)

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=================== At the bar. (sitting next to her at the bar with my hand on her closer leg) Me: What are you going to drink Her: doesn’t matter. A beer Me: Waitress, a beer and a jack daniels please Bartender: sure (starts making drinks) Me: So what do you do here Her: I work as a product quality and regulatory manager for medical devices Me: That's a long title Her: hahaha Me: Your diploma must by really big to fit that in Her: (smiles) Her: what do you do? Me: Im the inspector of regulation devices for medical managerial products Me: we're in a small world Her: haha. No really Me: (smile) I do this (pull my phone, show the games I do) Her: looks nice Me: Yah Bartender: here you go. It will be X Me: (pay for both) Me: I have a company here and do games blah blah blah Me: You've been here only for a month? Her: yes. The company had offers to move around to different offices and I wanted to come to Amsterdam. It so amazing here (edited)

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Me: Yeah it is Me: What is that you like the most. The coffee shops? Her: (sips beer) Her: haha. Never been Me: Never smoked or never legally? Her: not my thing but all expats come for that Her: my friend smokes from time to tjme Me: Who's your friend? Her: new friend I met at a drinks 2 weeks back Me: The girl you were with at the drinks? Her: no, that was just someone who I met there Me: Ah, well she looked stoned too Her: haha. She was bored. Most Guys are very boring at these drinks Me: Yeah as most people are Me: Not you Me: (looking into her eyes) Her: (sticks tongue out to taunt) Me: Come here (make out) Her: (while making out, her hand on your shoulder. You both still sitting) Me: (Hand in boob - the right hand on her left boob, the complete hand on it, grabbing firmly) Bartender: (sees you two making out but says nothing) Me: (Hand from boob to neck, full hand, fingers behind neck) Me: Finish that and let's go Her: (doesn’t say anything but drinks the beer down) Me: (take her hand and walk out) Her: (follows you without saying anything) Me: Taxi! Her: where is your place? Me: 10 min from here (edited)

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======= Get in the cab, more makeot and wilder on the cab Get home, fuck her well That's it Complete time spent with her till this point = 40 min

============ One important thing about the amog - it wasnt random As we walk I grab the hand of the girl, then the guy is trying to understand where he stands, AKA - he wants to see if he has a chance with the girl Guy: You two know each other? I can't fully answer that question without either saying I don't have anything with the girl and just met her (so he has a chance) or saying that she's with me (and putting her on the spot, moving before the pace). Both options backfire easily like ricochet bullets. If I say Im nothing with the girl, the girl may be disappointed that I didnt stand my ground and then proceed to flirt with the guy who now thinks he has a chance. If I say she's with me, she may think Im too cocky (we haven't kissed yet) and start flirting with the guy as a form of shit test. So what do I do - I communicate 'she's mine, find someone else' framed as a bar restriction and timing issue. I put it forward as a given Me: They only accept couples so you've got 30 secs to find somebody Then to push this further I frame it as he maybe liking lady boys, then that we'll find him someone (he's a charity cause). The guy is 100% neutralized and I didn't have to put my girl on the spot for it Which allows me to escalate on her once the guy thing is resolved Then because I don't intend to destroy the guy I befriend him again All is just tactics

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6:53 AM

I mean don't disagree Russia has pretty girls Btw in Argentina there's a small town called Obera that was founded by like 40,000 russian immigrants during the war Its a tiny piece of land with nothing around it and extremely poor And all the girls are 9s Routinely these girls get out of town and become models, same for the guys Also the poorer get pregnant and sell the babies for adoption Crazy huh? When I moved to argentina one of the factors was a girl I was talking online, she was a super smart genius from that town, living there in poverty So of course I went to save her Me? superman Went from omega to beta Yeah, she was fucked up in the brains I was with her from 2002 to 2003 but kept taking care of her till 2008 I created my company just so she could have a job And named her 50% partner of course So she helped destroy my beta tendencies

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She really fucked me up back then Yeah No she's not the one I had the crush for That was another psycho girl That's the thing with being bottom guy + beta And having love as something that is giving to you as a reward Live in scarcity - when finally a girl reciprocates but starts putting hoops to jump it becomes "yes I will jump that high" That attracts psycho bitches, all the sane girls wont play that game The type of girl who will engage with a pushy needy desperate bottom guy wanting to give the world and the moon for a bit of affection and will endure months / years of little crumbs but remain hopeful The type of girl who will want that - thats NOT the type of girl you should be courting But that's all the girls I got And the only girls I got 1 in 5000 X-) I went to Argentina and had no money so I went to that little town and she let me borrow her pc monitor so I could work on a tiny hotel room I also couldn't not pay for - so I was working there and doing the banners and crap and making some ridiculous low money but that was my start. We became bf and girlfriend and a month later (after being in a relationship!) (after a year of talking!!) then I finally banged her. She said she was a virgin but there was no hymen or blood

Anyway she was brilliant, IQ probably over 180 Only person I've met smarter than me Troubled Good match for my omega Turns out she was also violent and paranoid Sex was shit

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2 years of that I had enough, but then I had moved her to the capital and I didn't want her to go back and fail So I kept paying her bills for 3 years

Also trying to give her freelance jobs but she wouldn't do them then I had to finish them Man looking back what a fucking joke So then I had the brilliant idea of making a company and having her have responsibilities, so I did, turned my apartment into office, put 3 then more then 15 computers, people working - and me and her as the bosses Yeah she was violent Black belt in karate Lots of anger issues Probably molested while a child Would interpret a tiny remark and make a big deal and get furious and scream in your face Bitterness / revenge? nah I was bitter from being an omega And then being a beta and incel With all of the 'good stuff' I wanted to give I was not able to set boundaries People give me shit? it's a misunderstanding! they don't understand Im good and Im here to help! I will give them more stuff! How can I please you today mr or madam!? So I had 15 employees and a crazy partner, and I was mr high beta And the other girl I was infatuated with, was a narcissist psycho That self harmed That was me when I found Game

What's crazy is that being 'smart' is not a cure Without the proper map it just makes every ugly thing more complex

7:02 AM

All the mental work you seem to be doing around the idea of TG - reminds me of what I had to do back then with Game, I had to try every little piece in isolation one at a time and see what happened, I required convincing I had to set timelines and comparions and goals and gave myself a deadline that if I couldn't get a girl just by 'being me' then I would have to change my whole approach. When I went into full pua / redpill that was bitter I felt like wanting to punch all the girls who reacted well to my PUA shit ===== Her: do you have a girlfriend Me: No... I've been looking for one but (blah blah honest shit desperate guy) Her: (runs for the hills) ===== Her: do you have a girlfriend Me: I have 8, you can be no. 9 (while I tremble) Her: haha

I have to be at least number 3 Me: Wow what a little greedy thing you are ;-) (she wants to bang asap, Im like 'fuck I dislike this person so much') =====

Every alpha / player move was against my core identity back then What I wanted was a girl who could see the real me and loved me Not a girl that required a pre defined role that wasnt me I didn't want casual sex I was looking for the one I was lonely I wanted company and to be understood So the loop was 1) see I girl, I like her! I want to tell her I like her 2) Neg her 3) She likes that, wtf, can I tell her Iike her now? 4) Play hard to get 5) She likes it more, can I tell her how special she is now? 6) Me: I have feelings for you 7) Girl runs away

Lets say I had pride in my bottom guy I thought that's how you'd match with a girl, it felt true You put her up there and serve her, protect her Elevate her Sacrifice for her And in return you get love and acceptance and sex etc Work for her and she's your benevolent lover Not the reality which is - If you're the bottom guy to a girl she takes advantage, destroys your life, complains about you Takes all she can Gives nothing Fucks the bartender That IF you even get some engagement Most just pass

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3:36 PM

Why leaving the player lifestyle - I want to have a family and kids, the only way I can have a stable home is doing it this way a far as I know. It doesnt mean that it will last forever though Then on an emotional level - continuity. Being with a new girl every couple days means you're always doing the initial part of the screening again and again (which is also why I know it back and forth) there's a thrill of the new bang, but at the same time pussy is pussy. Every time you find someone you like the life is more enjoyable seeing that person often, instead of hitting the next one who'll be just like someone you already know - not sure if Im getting the point across Each relationship that you form even the casual ones get to a crossroad: who likes who the most. If you like her more, she wants out and you end up broken. If she likes you more, you end things and she ends broken. If you don't like each other that much, then you can continue indefinately but why bang that girl that much if you don't like her that much, and if you do like each other a lot then why break things at all. I faced that again and again and again and again and again. Have a hundred or so great memories with girls I banged a few times and then the predictable I either like them more or they like me more - and each is a mini movie, and I dont even remember most girls names or faces Its a state of blur, like having a fragmented personality After 300 or so I got my saturation point (edited)

3:36 PM

. My memory goes like this - meet girl at a park, play chess, make out, ask her to come to my apartment, she says Im a player but likes it, fuck her all night long, see her again at a mall the next day, she invites me to an island a few days later, go there and figure that she's banging some guy there but dont care, reclaim my spot, go with her and her female friend to another island and do camping, fuck her on the tent without condom for hours, take her to the river and fuck her on the river, under the full moon until the sun rises. Next day I write a goodbye on her notebook and she leaves. One of the best experiences in my life. Comes back a few months later and she's been in a relationship with a guy she met and just broke up. She's been doing drugs. Doesnt want to kiss. I let her go and she comes back a few days later to my house party and she's all into me but I've already moved on so I don't bite, she leaves my house with another player friend of mine, I never see her again. I remember her name, her boobs, her belly. I dont remember her voice, hair or face - I DONT REMEMBER. I see there and I have a collage of another 40 girls with similar stories. So one of my best experiences - fucking that girl in a river under the full moon, I don't even remember the girl (edited)

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12:05 AM

This timeline aprox Find game in 2006, mostly read about it and try cocky-funny lines, 2007, find a girl and chase her with a mix of beta and alpha cocky, she likes cocky, doesnt like but uses beta, I spend almost a year in the chase, get nothing 2008 decide to go PUA fulltime, close the company 2008 bang my first girl from game, it's also a SDL 2008-2009 - repeat the same SDL many times, start playing with band 2009, switch to player lifestyle, making parties and being the center of all the groups 2010 about 200 notches by now, take a year and a half break, get a girlfriend 2012 back to the player lifestyle, this time on steroids 2013 'top guy' 2014 exit the player lifestyle, notch count about 300 == When I was in PUA I was still an incel So from my first game bang to taking the decision to switch to player and starting getting laid twice a week - about two months These first two months I had a lot of makeouts I didn't bang them because I wasnt leading Or I was pushing The classic mistakes After 2 months what happened is that I had more girls interested that I could attend The result was I was 'detached' The push problem went away I'd flirt with a girl if she wasnt into it I'd call a fuck buddy for the night The result: that girl wanted me more So did every other girl I didn't ping That didn't fully make sense to me until 2013 When I had to do NOTHING to get girls Just breathe No input required on my part - let me see exactly what girls are doing on their own And more appreciation for how my input changes things (edited)

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12:27 AM

The difference For me And what is proving to be the difference with everyone else - I was FUCKING ANGRY About over 30 years of loserdom, being incel, being put down and used when I was trying to do things right I was ok if I never had sex again The only thing that was not going to happen, again Was my being put under someone else and used / abused I liked the person I was but the person I was, was not cutting it So I stopped being that person "stop doing the bottom guy" For example I did a sex personality test - I was the 'boy next door' That's the guy with a heart of gold who girls use for emotional tampon In the same personality test there was the "Don Juan Carnivore" The guy fucking all the girls So I took the test again looking for the type of answers that would result in that personality Did it a few times till I got it Then in real life, when presented with situations, I'd try the type choices that would lead to being a don juan carnivore And in any case that I didn't know what to do, I'd do nothing Instead of going back to 'me' I had on my mind all the time "how would this girl treat Brad Pitt" If she wasnt treating me like she would treat Brad Pitt, then I wouldn't engage Does that mean I'll never be with a girl? that's ok I'd go to places and nobody would interact with me and I'd be with my phone I didn't know how to open groups So I'd just be on my own No brad pitt? no problem But at the same time that means no energy invested in chasing No lost puppy looking for groups to join No value stealing So eventually here and there, a situation happened where I knew what to do, how to be the alpha dude

12:27 AM

And I'd do that So boom - a bunch of people who had that impression of me = feedback loop A bunch of girls who had that impression of me = feedback loop That thing Im describing is not years - that was like 2 weeks

Another example I didn't have a fashion style - I'd buy my clothing in the supermarket Im non materialist But non materialist doesnt cut it So I picked up a fashion style from the type of men in the tribes I like - rockers (Im one) And actors Went to a store, bought a lot of fashion clothing, wore it - IT FELT WRONG Why does it feel wrong "because it's not me" But I knew that the fashion style had to be natural So what did I do - wear the clothing at home alone 24hs a day Go sleep in fashion clothing

12:27 AM

Till it was natural How long did that take? not years A week Same with body posture The alpha posture is tall and dominant The voice tone is strong and direct "it doesnt feel like me": So I did it ALL THE FUCKING TIME Am I chasing girls here? no, never Im changing me I'd be walking on the street, thinking "am I the coolest guy in this street" "am I the coolest guy in the room" "what would it take to be the coolest guy on this room" "what do I need to be more comfortable" Etc Then when I'd see a girl I like I'd flirt Talk Chit chat At the beginning the crazy thing would be to see people's reaction to me From being generally invisible People would stop and talk to me and offer help / be servicial That's the effect of dealing with people from the top All this - 2 months After that the challenge was the never ending emotional carousel of being with many girls And all the game of throne things that come with it Also people were announcing with free feedback I'd go somewhere, some guy I just met would say "you must be killing it with the girls" So that would make me realize that I could be killing it, as that's how I was being perceived So I'd try to go faster / further / smoother Then a few months later a guy would say "Im good with girls but nothing like you, your life is like a porn movie" And it wasnt - but that gave me the hint that I could make that happen Same girls Calling me a player since early on The feedback loop

12:28 AM

But all that, for me, started with one choice - I was not going to be bottom guy It didn't have that name It was in the form of "Im brad pitt, or nothing" So - the point here is that none of that can happen, if you don't stop the behavior that is not conductive for it to happen You have to stop the bad shit and do the good shit Doesnt matter if you only know 1 good shit, do that And nothing else The void will be filled as you find new things Repeating the bad shit is death There's no win for bottom guy No win for chasing, working, dancing monkey, etc Putting girls on pedestals etc

12:30 AM

============= So no it didn't take 10 years It was fast

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11:23 PM

Do you know why. what story you made up about yourself after what childhood trauma ?
Parents?

That's where it comes from My parents were hippies when they had me and had troubles with authority So they decided they were not my mom and dad But their real names, carlos and zaira So I never had mom and dad They opted out of the role Fuck the 60s

So neither of them had a good family Therefore I had nobody No mom nor dad nor extended family My dad left My mom raised me - she's not qualified She was like a 14 year old selfish girlfriend Doing put downs on me And expecting me to 'be a man' and angry when I wouldn't perform So, woman doing shit tests To a kid The result is that I grew up completely asocial and clueless Everyone else was in a different world What I did was to turn inside That allowed me to have a reality but by the time hormones hit and everyone was hooking up in highschool I was just non-adapted So I became the joke That's when I hit omega So - I wanted love, who can I love and who can love me back? Only a girl who's in a position like mine What type of girl is that" Another outcast So I'd be looking for artistic, hyper smart, sensible, girls that didn't belong to this world I would find one and I'd want to give everything and do the world for her But of course I had no fucking idea of how So I would "reveal myself" and put all my cards on the table and expect her to lead

Then the girl would end up with a 'normal guy' or a 'winner' type guy and I was like "But he doesn't understand you, I DO!"

11:23 PM

Yeah "this is me" Nobody gives a fuck So that was the game I was playing as omega Then when I switched to Beta, when - I got a job then I understood more about how to deal with the human hierarchy So I saw the prince / princess / dragon archetype and I assumed that was it So I became the prince that fights dragons for the princesses To my omega core, I added a layer of 'services' So I was a good hard working man who put others before him Self sacrificial Good listener Good doer Just a stand up guy(edited)

Yeah girls come get laid! I was incarnating that for about 10 years At a tremendous price I remember when I had that job (first job at 21 aprox) it was like 'wow now I belong to society and can have a job and a girlfriend' "I can tell a girl that I have a good job" Such a catch I built a company upon that foundation so I was the major Beta of the company solving everyone's problems

11:25 PM

I had a teacher job before making my company so I was treating my employees like I was doing a service to them Hilarious man Very sad. How did you resolve your anger cumulated (rightfuly) over years ? Im still angry

The question has to be rephrased - what did you do with the anger? I mobilized it Anger = desire not satisfied So I used the anger to fight and rebel And keeping an eye on it When you focus on getting what you want And you get what you want That makes the anger flip into happiness(edited) I don't get that movement of 'letting go the anger' It's like remaining comfortable where you shouldn't be Im still pissed at things I made way too many mistakes Lost too many years Once I make enough money to be making music then that remaining anger will be well channeled I have no intention of being 'happy' Happy is not my thing I want to win I'll be happy when It's proper

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11:35 PM

See - Bottom guy thinking I was in latin america, composing music in english, rock pop stuff Nobody listen to that there No local bands play that There's no music industry there Nobody ever making that type of music ever succeeds It's a wall What did I do? for years? Lock in myself "I am going to make it" And PUSH AGAINST THE WALL People saying I can't make it? I'll show them Nobody knows how to record music? I'll record it There are no recording studios? I'll build one Push against the wall Musicians are not believing this can be done? I will lead them Work on that wall Make the wall a door WRONG PATH Fucking wrong path Like a fucking imbecile - because I hadn't realized the truth yet Latin america / my context / my 'logistics' are a clear wall What would be the opening?

There are a couple places where a talentless bad looking teenager with some money can get an album recorded Then you cross the street and you're in a record label And every musician there is either in the business or really trying to make it WHERE SHOULD I BE?

11:35 PM

Walls and openings Without that - the 'what do you want' just makes you push against the wall Bottom guy only knows walls Treats walls like they are ladders They are not I put half a million dollars in my recording studio With that money I could have gone to london That simple Should I be in a place where nobody values what I do Or should I be in a place where everyone values what I do Should the virtuoso violinist go to the subway and play for a few bucks a day Or should he play in a theatre where everyone pays two grands to get in? Should you engage with your fans, or your detractors?

11:39 PM

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11:40 PM

Here's me BEFORE game https://scontent.flux1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/228584_8137269721_1928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&oh=36d57df1ae5f737b3f55a66922efb7e8&oe=5C5237EE

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(edited)

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Heres me AFTER game https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/user/276/860f73240243.568aea56231e6.jpg

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(edited)

11:40 PM

Same guy?

11:40 PM

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in UK there are openings that I can take and escalate on In the places where I've lived there are only walls So Im the only guy trying to do something Did you see my home studio above Each piece in that studio is 'the best in it's category' No other studio in Latin America has them Well Im lying now there's another one catching up - but at the time I was the only one You can't go to shops and get them So I had to find ways and bring one piece at a time via black market Because of the economics - operating commercially with that studio would result in bankrupcy It's not possible to recoup the investment by renting the space So these pieces have never been there - That means mixing engineers don't know how to use them That translates in a whole continent that can't catch up in sound quality with anything that is done in the first world So as a guy, me just "trying" Its already crazy and never done - for the millions of people there "ohhn that's crazy you want to sound like something done in UK" There's no technique and no skill to compete And nobody is trying But if you go to UK and go to the studios and meet the artists and engineers - for them making that sound is what they do every day So that's why I want to move The same is true for business And the gaming industry that is where I make money so far In latin america (or here) launching a game and making a few million dollars is an impossible pipe dream For a lot of people in UK - that's just a job So, looking at what I have been able to achieve when I've been surrounded by WALLS I want to see what I can do where these walls don't exist What opportunities come

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11:44 AM

Man when I was 19 or so I was in the same spot I was piss ass poor in Venezuela in a tiny town, I wanted to move to the capital, Caracas Had no money or skills, I was living with my mom So I moved to Caracas to live with my grandma who would only have me if I was a student So I enrolled in Architecture and was there for about a year, going to the Uni What a fucking waste of time That's a year of my life I lost I had no idea But hey life was cheap and they gave me free lunch I could stay with my grandma and have a free meal a day, and have some time to read books and socialize File that in my "going nowhere" period I couldn't do architecture and music / poetry at the same time, university is too demanding So the second semester I skipped most classes to write on the lobby Which meant I had to make a choice See, the world forces you to choose eventually I chose to drop Uni to go into music I still didn't have the balls to embrace music properly so that just meant playing with a band and having shitty jobs on the side But I had to quit the university And staying with my grandma And get a very small room and a job carrying tshirts at a store Then I got a job at a library doing some book designs and papers, very underpaid job Then I got a job as an audio editor at a .com startup Then I learned flash there Then I went to teach flash at an institute Then I became a freelancer doing flash work Then I moved to Argentina Then the freelance gig turned into me running a small company Then I found game Did I have a clear path?

11:44 AM

Not quite I was forced into quiting No - this is omega / beta days There are things I could have done if I had understood walls / openings All I had there was walls And repressed desires And heard NO from everyone So I'd take any opportunity I'd be given and clinge to it Scarcity The flash thing - I started doing that because other people were afraid and I thought I could be good at it So I picked it up for social validation When I went into the design institute I did that to learn more social skills Also the social validation of being good at something When I moved to argentina I had to do it because venezuela was asphixiating me I didn't do that pursuing anything When I started looking for jobs online it was because the local market was dry Then I'd do any type of job that fell in my lap What I had then and now and always - is NO CHOICE I had to do something to move ahead, or perish That because my family was shit For most people its "do nothing, remain comfortable" For me it was "do nothing? you die" So if I see a pile of 4000 emails that I can send and maybe get a job to eat I send the 4000 emails Where other people decide it's too much work and remain comfy living with grandma and going to yoga

11:44 AM

So my omega had to try to get shit done because all I had was walls and adversity I didn't have the option to be normal And failing means accepting everyone was right - which pissed me (and pisses me) off enough to make rage be my fuel Which goes against developing social skills, but that was my cocktail Angry omega working his ass off to prove everyone wrong Then nobody can be proven wrong because, people are all asleep They can't see the thing But that's a separate issue When I started the company, I wasn't pursuing something either I wanted the prestige that big companies have And I wanted to give a job to my ex-girlfriend So she would earn her living and I didn't have the pressure of paying her expenses And she wasnt forced to move back to her little town So the company was there for the wrong reasons and frame Which is why I had to quit it instead of just fixing it - the foundation was a bad-relationship type thing When I switched to making only games, that was me following the opportunity that fell in my lap as well From all the things I was making money off, that was the most lucrative Does it have anything to do with music or writing? no Etc So the part where I was able to figure things out - I did have clear things I like and Im good at Clear preferences

11:44 AM

And very little acceptable trade offs because I was in an environment designed to kill me So I had to figure things out, all the time To have very little payoffs Once I found an opportunity I'd work my shit out there And squeeze it for more Which works with jobs but not in personal relationships - not with women But basically it's the same I did in GAME when i found it That came in my lap, I squeezed it to the bone I became the best at it

Its the omega on rails Fighting uphill against all odds / against the wall Now - that's all wrong

TG is the cure Its starts on where you are And ask WHAT DO YOU FUCKING WANT And you set the course So you can do the path as you moving towards something Instead of moving as a reaction to being pushed

1:53 PM

Spent a week with music producers / mixers, some famous some newbies Led by the michael brauer guy in center He gave a masterclass in TG related to audio and music biz Learned a lot Mixed one of the BV tracks with him He presented a way of 'reading' the song that is the same as I've been teaching about reading girls and life and opportunities whats in front of you / whats important / openings vs walls / take the openings etc, he laid it all out From handing music to dealing with career opportunities Then he showed / taught us how to do it with music, while handling the teaching session itself from TG Fucking masterful (edited)

Awesome.

The guy HIMSELF is a gamma most likely

2:41 PM

But got this skill through experience and fame

2:42 PM

Handling things from the top / investing wisely / leading

It's learnable.

2:42 PM

Now only one man there has a backwards cap and a wife beater, necklace. (edited)

2:43 PM

All the others are clones.

2:44 PM

Loose t-shirt, beard.

Yup

Do you always look like that?

Yup why?

12:11 PM

Well not the short pants, it was hot

12:11 PM

Usually more like the pic sitting

I didn't mean clothes

12:15 PM

You look focused, concenteated, intense

12:16 PM

It was an intense workshop, took a lot of energy

12:17 PM

But check the group pic around the desk above

The group pick yes

12:17 PM

But the desk pic

12:17 PM

Look at your eyes

Yep

12:19 PM

Eagle hunting rabbit

12:20 PM

Had to "read" a track and bring the important elements up

12:20 PM

Similar to a tinder read

12:20 PM

But sound

Brb going to get a dog to practice intense focus

12:26 PM

There's a lot of people talking about intensity in the manosphere but this is probably the first time I see it

12:29 PM

Try practicing with a hamster first its less intimidating, then upgrade to goldfish

Then maybe one day you can stare at a dog and win

are those 2 guys in the back with you

Nope

8:27 PM

Everyone there is in the group, either a music producer or a mixer

@Yohami *NOWWA you still at the event?

Back home since yesterday

cool

@King Kman why?

everyone else looks like a part of the group

8:44 PM

they're looking from the sidelines

8:45 PM

just trying to figure out the group dynamics

Gotcha

Lol, if we had met in real life Y, I would not approach you

2:46 AM

Something intimidating on how you look (edited)

2:47 AM

Or at least that's the vibe I get from you from the pics

@Yohami *NOWWA why are you saying the guy is gamma?

Expert on one field, godlike ego that is easily hurt, guarded when not in front and center stage

1:42 PM

In his career every time he got a big band to mix he became a tyrant, bands dont like him (edited)

1:42 PM

Treats his assistants like serfs

1:43 PM

He was always defensive about me

1:44 PM

Never got to 'click' with him though I tried

1:44 PM

When he was front and center and talking to the group he'd compliment my comments

1:44 PM

Once he was off center stage and chilling around he'd put walls

1:45 PM

So I didn't push

It sure fits the pattern

@Sloth thanks

@Sloth get jacked and you'll feel better

@Sloth get your testosterone levels checked out and then see where to go from there

6:36 PM

(not to go offtopic)

@Sloth why? Yohami seems friendly or concentrated on something on the photos, he doesn't look aggressive.

what's with the sudden surge of replies

2:00 AM

@King Kman yeap, lifting really does wonders for the body and mind

2:01 AM

@Deleted User checking t levels is a pain, are you planning on taking TRT? Or going natural?

@SpaceY it's just the vibe I get from the pics. You guys don't agree? Could be the intensity or something

2:08 AM

Someone go practise reading Y in the pics

He is the most alpha of tbe group, but no reason to fear him if you're in his group

3:38 AM

Yes on intensity and focus

I think I just have an instinctual aversion to alpha dominence

3:42 AM

It's not like going out of the way to avoid them, but I wouldn't roll in the same circles as them

3:43 AM

If I didn't know Y and met him in real life, I wouldn't approach him

3:43 AM

Good thing we have internet

@Sloth nothing determined. Time to take blood = 5min

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10:48 PM

My story of how I got to "4" After my first pua / player run I had around 200 bangs, a band, was recording an album, was the popular guy But I felt empty and dead Then ditched the player stuff and got a girlfriend And all the bad stuff was there again, needy, unstable, insecure, trying to do game stuff then switching and being honest, facade vs real me That lasted for about a year then I ended that relationship And was considering my options - go back to player lifestyle? get a girlfriend? what for, to repeat all the crap? So I didnt know what to do and I secluded myself And was alone all the time I work from home, no human contact About 6 months I found some websites about narcissim and healing the inner kid / how to process trauma / that type stuff The basic message was "you need to feel your emotions" So instead of going elsewhere and trying to get my dopamine hits / banging girls / partying and so on I was just home feeling miserable Then after a while I saw that these feelings where there since childhood and I was angry I knew that I was angry before but I had a block for these feelings trying to leave them behind

10:48 PM

So instead of blocking them I was feeling them While trying to make myself comfortable Then l though, what kind of man would I have been if I had been loved as a child I wouldn't be this pissed I wouldnt be alone I'd trust people more, or I would trust the right people I'd be smarter I wouldn't be chasing some unicorn So I started giving myself the things that I wanted - the pampering stuff Taking care that I was comfortable and happy / protected Then the feelings got better One of the things I gave to myself was to move to that super delux apartment Which "I didnt deserve" And I was making a lot of money And got very high class clothing this time And I was treating myself like I was someone I cared about Or, I was "mothering myself" Maybe no one would ever love me, but I would To the bone So 6 months or so of that About 2 months living on that delux apartment, empty Then I decided to give it a try and go back to civilization Went to one 'expat meetings' at a bar On my way there I was feeling anxious, took the ride to just stay still and feel my feelings, no fight, no resolution, just feel the feelings When I got there I didnt know anybody That was an aha moment I still had all the player / PUA experience and moves But no desire to use them There wasnt there anything that could make me "whole" No prize out there

10:48 PM

Just people, a few cute girls So I got a whiskey, chilled People came to form groups around me, like before Girls were interested, like before But this time I wasnt doing anything I was just there No game-running = I wasnt looking for external validation now Nobody there would be better at making myself better than I could do myself So that night - some guy sat close, with a bunch of girls, I chatted this and that, one of the girls sat next to me, then we moved to another bar, the girl came along - you know how this goes Then the guys are leaving, I tell the girl "lets go for a final drink" I get a cab to go near my place Make out with her - bang No "game" ran for the first time Same toolset, different positioning Also And this contributed to TG stuff later My external / hierarchical value was WAY ahead of anyone Even if just for the apartment Or the cash Its not that I had to tell anyone, but I knew I didnt need any validation from anyone, and on a hierarchical level I was way ahead too Nothing to chase and nothing to compete for Just going for what I wanted and giving myself what I wanted When BEFORE these six months, I'd be always chasing a shiny thing with some underline that the shiny thing would save me, or make me feel alive, validate me, do something Like I was thirsty and I needed a last drop of water - that was EVERY bang before that point Now I wasnt thirsty, it was "mm maybe a sip of this?" That's the story

Thanks for sharing the story, Y.

=============================== Back in 2007 or so, I had already verified that "game works" and "beta game doesnt work", I had tested it enough via chat, if I acted like a confident gamer girls would be aroused, if I was honest and beta I'd lose, or gain a girl that then would treat me like shit Also I had seen girls who treated me like shit after using me like a beta tampon for their emotional problems, being all compliant and giggly and chasing top hot stud alphas So I knew that that's how girls treat attractive men And that girls treating me they way they treated me wasnt "the normal courtship" but it meant they saw me as low, low value So I knew that befriending, having long talks, forming a bond, then slowly and gradually forming feelings and exposing feelings wasnt the path And that the path was instant, quick, explosive sex, max attraction For all these girls For all girls Back then that archetype was "Brad Pitt" from Troy for me So what I said, when I moved from PUA to Player - Or somewhere in that middle process "I only accept that girls treat me like Im Brad Pitt. If they dont treat me like I am Brad Pitt, Im not interested and Im not going to court them. Im done chasing and beta begging. Im not delusional and I dont think I am Brad Pitt, but I will take nothing other than treatment from girls that think Im Brad Pitt, and I'll act like Brad Pitt, and NEVER EVER FUCKIGN EVER go back to acting like a beta beggar. If that means that Im never having sex again, so be it, it's not worth it Point being, Im only going to act like Im Brad Pitt. If the girl treats me back like Im Brad Pitt, I'll fuck her. If she doesnt treat me like Im Brad Pitt, I dont court her. Courting a girl from a beta frame is discarded forever" My idea was that this process was going to take years and years and that I was going to need a lot of practice and so on In reality, in less than two months I was fucking two girls a week (edited)

12:47 PM

Why That statement above results in observable behaviors 1) When I interact with the girl Im coming from "Im Brad Pitt, hi" type behavior, Im above, entitled, and expecting compliance 2) If the girl sees me as a desirable man, then I keep going 3) If the girl doesnt engage, I drop it and let her go, move on That above is Top guy Reward Punish And No Chase Pre-TG stuff but in place already The girl would do a shit test, put me in beta frame, think Im not all of that? I move on Thus passing the shit test Then the girl goes like "oh that guy must have been TG I have to screen him more" So most girls didnt initially think I was that special, and filter me to the beta category, but then I'd not act the beta frame, and they'd have to go back in the screening process since I didnt play that game Me: Hi girl Im TG Her: I think you're BG Me: Nah, cheers Her: hey dont go! Very rudimentary but it was in place My intention wasnt to bang all the girls, my intention was to be Brad Pitt

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12:54 AM

Shared some of this before but it's fun

12:54 AM

21 years old, me as omega

12:55 AM

29 years old, beta

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32 years old, beta in charge of an office (edited)

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33 years old, alpha player

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34 years old, local rockstar tough guy (edited)

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12:58 AM

35? years old, beta regression

12:59 AM

36 years old, back in the game

12:59 AM

37 years old, high status player / beginning of the TG stuff

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================= The instances that I remember more are at the beginning... 2009. I was going out a lot to crowded places and parties and didn't know anyone. So I'd have very short positive interactions with people, then wander around not knowing what the fuck to do, for hours sometimes I went to a party and an american girl was all flirty, then I see her on the rooftop and I go up. She's chatting with another dude and I freeze. Get drunk, pass out on a bathtub, wake up in the morning and walk around the house without talking to anyone, leave and never go back to that house I have a few memories like that

I could have banged the american girl that night but I was like "what now" What am I supposed to do Well the thing man We chatted for like 3 min She was bantering and shit testing "ohh you think you're the coolest guy here!" Saying she would beat me any day playing playstation Plenty of openings etc When I saw her on the rooftop I went up somehow thinking that I was going to invite her to play playstation Her openings - my commands But then she was talking to some other guy and I felt that interrumpting them was needy So if that's needy what's the alpha thing to do? no idea Of course joining that conversation wasn't needy But I WAS needy So I didnt do it The guy she was talking to wasnt the obstacle The girl talking to someone / busy was the obstacle She's busy = wall I dont push walls What now? no clue Do nothing I was very primitive

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========================== Another instance There were 2 girls I liked, one was french and was staying with the other, I liked the french more They invite me to go for icecream, I say yes, we get icecream Then we walk back to their home and when they are going to go up I ask the french girl to stay 'cause I wanna talk to her The other girl is like "oh ok" and goes up The french girl is staring at me like "wtf" I start doing rapport and crap, then try to kiss her, she says no. When she's about to go up she starts opening "oh its so wonderful that I got to meet you" all nonsense to me, didn't understand anything Then weeks later the french girl was trying to reach me and keep interacting but I didnt know wtf was the alpha thing to do, so for me that was a bridge burnt and did nothing The other friend is convinced that I fucked her Girls create their own narratives I was 33

==================== In one of my early house parties, there's an american girl I kind of like. She mentions something about something that I take as an opening (dont remember) and I ask her out to drink beers the next day. Next day Im getting dressed up with a harley davison tshirt that is x2 sizes smaller than my size and I feel weird as fuck but whatever, I wear it anyway thinking "I just need to feel natural and it'll be natural" I go to the date an we have boring chat, Im bored, we eat chicken wings and drink beer. I was living in the neighborhood so I invite her back to my place, she says yes. I was just doing with her my routine, I had done that same step by step date a dozen times. So we're back and my place and she says that she had expected that I invite her to my place earlier instead of taking her to a pub. Im like "ah so Im moving slower than I should" We have no chemistry whatsoever but I understood the message so I kiss her. She's stiff but receptive. I grab her boobs. Big but cold. She starts making out more but she's awkard I walk her to the bedroom while we make out, I take her shirt off. She unbuttons her bra. I suck her boobs. Then when Im taking away her pants she starts like "uh we're not ready for this yet" I say "we're fine" and take them off. So she's still wearing the panties but got no bra and we're laying on bed doing some awkward make outs I go pick a condom and she says "not today" Im like uh? "Im a christian girl Im not usually doing this" Im like "ok no prob" Go back to her and do some chit chat, some make outs, whatever, then send her home When she's leaving she says "Next time I'll stay the night" Im like "whatever" She leaves, I call a fuckbuddy and bang her the whole night

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Then christian girl is always at the parties and stuff always trying to talk to me and Im like "whatever" She starts dating one of my friends, I go to some place and I see them dancing and I go "hey bro! sup girl" and she's really annoyed that Im there with another two girls Then comes to my group to ask if Im with them and if Im alone and why I didn't call I tell her to go back to my friend or he's gonna be sad Dont ever see her again

11:27 PM

What you find is that after I make a mistake, I don't go engaging pushing resistance and trying to steal something With this girl the whole dance was non existent I was going through the motions, so was she So when it was time to bang she wasnt ready and LMR But I said "Fine np" Then moved on So that forced her to reframe the situation and see me as TG, she became the pursuer That's when I found out the power of no chase I had made the mistake - it didn't matter Was I angry at her? no, but I had no clue on what to do. She said "next time Im staying the night" based on what? I didn't invite her to do so I wanted to bang, she said no, that's the end of it

=========== Another instance, this was straight at the beginning of my switch from Pua to player, probably end of 2008 I go to a park where they are projecting a movie. I go alone and don't know anyone, interact with people etc. I befriend a small group that is sitting on the floor and are from different nationalities, so I sit and drink beers with them. When the movie ends they are gonna go for beers and clubbing and I join. I don't fit on the car but Im in adventure mode and I get in the trunk. So they are driving around in Buenos Aires with me on the trunk screaming loud buenas noches senorita to the people around and other cars. We get to the house, some drunk german girl is there and all flirty and trying to fuck, but I like a girl from paraguay a lot more, so that's the one Im talking to. We get some more alcohol and walk to a club. On the entrance Im chatting about the biz of night life with one of the guys and he drops "man you must be banging all the girls" I reply laughing "yeah all of them!" which wasnt true, I was still on a dry spell, but good feedback that my exterior persona was being perceived as having more power than I actually had So we get in the club and getting drunk and Im dancing with the paraguay girl, I pull her for a make out and make out. She's super white and dark hair and slim and with a "complicated" type vibe, but hot. She's making out with a lot of desire and after an hour or so I tell her "let's go" she puts a hard stop "I have a boyfriend, I shouldn't be doing this Im the worst" I reply with classic PUA material "That's fine Im not jealous" but she doesn't budge. I joke that japanese men have small dicks and she's like "no!" (edited)

9:11 AM

We dance some more, I kiss her again then she stops me "Im serious" and Im "ok fine", I dance with a couple other girls but Im feeling sad and rejected so I leave I wake up at home partly drunk and feeling "in love", take a shower go to my pc and paraguay girl added me on facebook. I go through her pics and get a boner, while feeling sad confused and rejected. I type Hi on the chat and send, she doesnt reply For the rest of the week Im feeling lost and in love, on and off, imagining what to say, how to say it, I go to the facebook and type a long "love" letter about how I want something "better" with her, I write the whole thing, read it, then delete it. Then write a game-type small text in line with PUA theory "sup girl let's have fun" type thing, then delete it. Then I just look at the screen. Then I delete her contact. All my impulses are BG and can't find a path to be a man there, do nothing. A few days later I don't remember her face really ============== (edited)

5:48 PM

New tattoo

Awesome

5:49 PM

Looks dashing bro

Wow that's a huge one

Thats what she said

Haha

Lol

5:51 PM

Sick tat

Guess who was recently a PUA

6:45 PM

That green thing on my head are some girl's panties

====================== I was mr big beta running an office as boss but like I was a caretaker, the co owner of the company was my ex girlfriend and I gave her that position to save her too. I was an incel. I had been pursuing a Waif narc girl for 8 months and had a couple dates (only) and no sex It was obvious my shit didnt work Spah: By save her do you mean save the relationship? So she broke up after she was given the position? This is out of your spectrum of understanding bro because your root of deviance is narcissism and mine is codependency

I wanted to save HER Not to save MY relationship She was a super high IQ girl from a very poor town in Argentina Because of her high intelligence she grew up mal adapted She was also somewhat hot, russian genes We hit it off chatting about philosophy on forums First woman ever who would understand abstract topics, do comebacks Outsmart me sometimes So when I left venezuela I went to Argentina to meet her, started a relationship She moved with me to Buenos Aires But quickly I realized she had other issues After a year of 'trying' I called it quits She went on to live in a student residency but had no money - she had been living with me and I was paying the bills She stopped studying law because I convinced her She actually wanted to write And do art

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So now that I ended the relationship she had no income or path ahead and everyone around her was dragging her down "quit pursuing your dreams / sell out / loser" shit So I kept helping her for - 5 years? First I was paying her bills Then I tried to give her freelance work, she wouldn't finish her jobs and I would finish for her Then I started a company And - I named her 50% shareholder Why? go ask the fucking beta / codependent frame why it does shit like this I can't understand it but it seemed ok back then Then I was fighting with her daily - trying to get her to assume responsibility Was all nonsense In 2008 I met the next abuser and felt in love with another girl that needed rescuing And was in love with that one - after just chatting online a lot and a couple dates but no relationship or anything Internally I "felt" that she was the one and I wanted to marry her While she was a bitch to me when she pleased So I - gave myself a period of time to exhaust my way of doing things, and told myself that if that didnt work, me getting the Waif girl, then I'd press a reset button and send everything down the drain My company, my ex, this girl, everything I knew And dedicate to learn Game only Guess what happened ====

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Ah when I sent everything to hell and became a PUA, I kept of course a lot of the bullshit PUA allows you to lie and qualify to girls And is frames as a codependent / narcissist game where the codependent PUA tries to chase the bitch narcissist that keeps giving shit tests So it was just an extension of my games After a few months I decided not to do that shit anymore either That's when the "brad pitt or nothing" happened Case point I was chatting with the Waif often and at the beginning she was all enticed about me because I had the company, was a musician etc Over time her behavior degraded Near the end, I saw that she had left a comment recently to another guy Where she commented on how good of a package he was, he was a musician and good looking and bs So "he" was getting the brad pitt treatment, I wasnt Same girl, different side I decided to never play the role of the guy who gets the bad side And if that meant no more interactions with women or sex, so be it I closed the door to that BG shit wanted to come out of me? I didnt do it That's when it started The whole thing about frame Before it had the name =====================

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