warsaw-pickup - yohamis-wisdom

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The best way to get her number if you want it

Set a date for the future
Get her to compliance
Ask her number to arrange details

My analogy with the music instrument is this: If you smash a guitar it makes a sound If you play a song on it, it makes music Girls like music, don't like smashing wood sounds The BEHAVIOR, the act of playing the instrument, is enticing Bottom guy and top guy are expressed through behavior The behavior rubs the girl in the right or the wrong spots When you rub them on the right spots, they get aroused When you rub them on the wrong spots, they dont get aroused This has nothing to do with how much 'they like you' The fact is that if you rub them on the right spots, then they like you, because they like what they feel And if you rub them on the wrong spots, then they don't like you, because they don't like you how they feel It's about what they feel, its not about YOU They only experience through how you make them feel When you operate from top guy / behave like a top guy, that presses all the girls clitoris Then they like you It's not that they like you first and then you do nothing NO CHASE is not the same as doing nothing NO CHASE is part of top guy behavior and it means you dont need her. And a man who doesnt need her is a CLIT Every arousal spot in a girl is a CLIT And all are protected and guarded with walls and what not. When the girl starts being aroused she exposes more and more CLITs And you have to rub them all With top guy behavior THEN she likes you But it's not you really, she likes how she feels She's just operating mechanically in how nature rigged this thing

10:24 PM

================================= What's more sensible, the clit or the knee What about if the girl really likes you? Will the knee be more stimulant than the clit? Is that a fact? or does she sometimes get orgasms on her knee? Is that a spectrum? The right answer is that the clit is always more sensitive than the knee ==== Clit = top guy behavior Knee = bottom guy behavior So you can ditch all your justifications for keep pushing into bottom guy behavior, you're rubbing a knee Doing it twice wont make it more powerful (edited)

======================= So what are her arousal spots? go for attraction of comfort? does she need more rapport? more tension? more playfulness? more chitchat or more call to actions? Does she have to trust you or does he have to be amazed and not know what's next? Does she have to feel safe? or feel that you're dangerous? What is the correct Game?

Man DOES SHE NEED STRAWBERRY OR CHOCOLATE There's only right answer... and it is.. SHE WILL TELL YOU

Some girls hate negs some love them, some girls love deep rapport some hate it. And this changes with the time of the day. But she will always tell you. Ping, tease, and you find out. (edited)

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10:23 AM

dr.T - Today at 10:02 AM So asking bra sizes/figure measurements is bottom frame Yohami *NOWWA - Today at 10:02 AM Not if you're going somewhere So the best case scenario for you was that she tells you the size so you can say "i like that bra size" Then what? How do you turn that into sex Or are you hoping for a non-tease but compliance again =================== Me: What's your bra size Her: 36B why? Me: I like that

Her: hahaha ================== Theres nothing to laugh about above but she's so dtf she can't help it Then what?(edited) Here's the thing To be sex it must communicate mild / nuanced sexual interest, it must be about HER, and better if it's YOU and HER, and even better if it has JUDGEMENT on it The problem with the bra size is that it's an inanimate object, it's a 'third thing' it's not her, its a proxy for her body but it's not her body, until you make it about her body And 'I like big bras' is not flirting "I like your boobs" is flirting One is an object the other is her The clit is in her not in her clothing So here's how I'd handle it if I was opening with the bras things for whatever reason ====================== Me: Wats ur bra size Her: Why r u askin lol Me: Just wondering if your boobs fit on my hands ====================== Another option if she goes for the bait ======================= Me: Wats ur bra size Her: Why r u askin lol Her: Do u wanna gift me one

(trap/beta bait) Me: Could be, what lingerie do you like? ======================= Another option ===================== Me: What's your bra size Her: 36B why? Me: Nice, I love a girl with good boobs ===================== The 'bra' is a weak starting point but it can be landed If you have a mental map for it

======================= Women are not logic "really screwed things up" - your relationship with her is not a structure that acts logically For her it's only about how she feels Moment by moment Ping your 'top guy frame' and ping her arousal And your 'fuck up' gets reframed She's also fucking up all the time A girl doesn't judge you for what you do or say She judges who you ARE That's how top guys can do horrendous shit and get away with it Girls may hate the actions but love 'the guys' So stop being a weakling and be the guy

=================== You need to know what you want. It must be crystal clear. You have to read the situation and understand what is the winning scenario that gives you what you want. So, understand what you want. Understand what she has to do so you get what you want. And tell her to do that. There's no negotiation and no attempt of having her mirroring and no intent that she'll do what you want out of her own volition and not playing pity games and not pushing against resistance Figure out what you want, take the lead, and TELL HER WHAT TO DO That's how you get compliance Otherwise, compliance to what?

===================== When you do your solo act = you have no idea what's her actual state because you are not letting her react So she may be DTF or thinking "hum that was weird" To fix that, just let her react instead of stacking And act on her reaction not before Just give her space to move (edited)

======================= The core thing is I give not rat ass about impressing her And she has no grounds whatsoever to be the judge of me in any way In every possible standard Im above of her The only game we're playing here is if we're having sex or not So Im finding out if she's worth my time and energy while I let her screen me and I rub her - it's foreplay So there are no 'fuckups' possible here The only thing that could happen is a match, or a mismatch So we will either like each other or we wont And its perfect either way (edited)

And there I saw that all the girls are in fact beta guys Playing hard to get to raise their price But they drop the price immediately if you dont buy in (edited)

=================== She needs to see you as a higher value man on her tribe A man she'd have to submit to in order to progress further To the top and center When she encounters men like that her vagina speaks, "tingle tingle tingle" These are the men she courts herself All were doing is pinging that and finding where it is There's a specific type of men she'd kill her mom for What type of man is it? And can you ping that? If not she's not your type either So within your range as a human being, if you like her, you may be compatible somewhere - that's what you're looking for The place where shes more receptive to your dominance

You command when you have compliance

You can also command when you demand compliance - that's specially the case when you're setting boundaries

============================ The game of thrones thing is rooted deep in biology Can't play poker with the cards turned up, and can't play anything but poker You can't go with these girls and be 'honest' because the assumption will be that you're hiding something there Cant go with the girls and express how you feel because the assumption is you're doing so as a sexual strategy, and you are taking that approach because you're too weak to just be dominant and take them And that guess will be more accurate than not most of the time So - there's a specific dance and there's nothing else In courtship at least The final result for things to pan out requires that you have an upperhand and you are screening to bang her but you're not commited to it yet So she has room to breathe and to screen you back And you have to be dancing there swinging your value but not chasing her with it That setup arouses her And eventually she's ready to be lead Then you fuck her THAT is it

======================= Before you make a move she needs to want it So you're always escalating on arousal Not escalating 'to find where walls are' There should not be any walls Any wall you find should come off as a surprise, not as something that your'e looking for So before the escalation there must be arousal That means you need to find what arouses her What arouses her is the same thing she gives compliance to So when you're interacting with her, look for compliance The way to look for compliance is to act dominant But this takes many shapes, so many that I just say 'enjoy the moment and swing your dick' it can be anything Goes back to 'ping, flirt, tease, escalate, rapport, break rapport, kino, lead, tell her what to do, roleplay, whatever' To some things she'll react more, or invest more, relax more, kino more To some things she'll have no reaction These are your openings and your walls

============================== More on the "I need to keep her aroused or it will come down" That means you think her natural, normal state is non-aroused, and you must perform things and dance like a monkey to elevate her state, so you bang her Here's what it should look like Assume that her normal state in your presence is fully DTF Just spending time with you without you doing anything out of the ordinary, her inertia is DTF Now what is more fun for YOU is to find out who she is and mess up with her Because it's fun Not 'work' You're not an entertainer and not a worker putting in the work to bang her That is bottom guy / beta frame The normal state of a girl is non-aroused for bottom guy and fully aroused for top guy. Focus on BEING the top guy and that already will make her aroused How do you focus on being the top guy? Dominance, swagger, confidence, tell her what to do, use humor, tease, flirt, kino, roleplay - set boudaries, stomp on boundaries, and assume you win When things come from that frame they always work There's no 'work to keep her arousal up otherwise it comes down' That's based on the assumption that you're not enough. And when coming from there you'll always suck

====================================== When a girl cancels but rainchecks, it means she's interested but her logistics are bad You got two viable options here and likely can do both 1 ) Insist that the logistics are solved (bypass the wall) 2) Arrange the next date already even if imprecise Example she can cancel her friend's birthday, or invite you there, or come after, or exit early You're 'assuming' her activity is a real block, I'd test it Then if that's a real block, I'd take the raincheck and reserve one or two possible dates in the near future Options Me: Dang, I want to see you but my schedule is shit, I can only really do this friday That would pass the ball to her and see if she comes with a solution for her own problem You can also 'create the opportunity' Me: Why dont you meet me after the birthday, we'll have fun Then if that doesn't work Me: Me Im free on X an Y day, pick one All together ======= Me: Dang, I want to see you but my schedule is shit, I can only really do this friday Her: hahah my friend I can't betray my friend Me: Why dont you meet me after the birthday, we'll have fun Me: You could even bring your friend X-) Her: hahah Her: I'll cant really, next week? Me: Aight, Im free on X and Y day, pick one Her: Y works Me: Deal. You're mine that day ========= That assumes resistance to the first and second offers, but she could comply to either Makes sense? (edited)

====================================== Chase is when you escalate on rejection

========================================= So, the reason I chose 'beautiful' is that she's not party girl and had a long time boyfriend, and 'wants to know more people', and you know she has a bro. All that signals she's a relationships person. For a party girl with no longtime boyfriend I'd have gone with 'cutie' or a neggy nickname

===================== So you're in X situation and you don't know what to do next So you're 'lost' or immobilized Or so it seems Oh theres a setup a problem what to do neeextttt???? One simple question gives you the key for the right answer: WHAT DO YOU WANT? You're letting stuff stop you and constrain you. The reason of that is you're submitting to external forces. The reason is you're not asserting your will and taking control and setting things. The reason is you're disconnected from what you want. So ask yourself what do you want - always. Then look around and see what should happen so you get what you want. Then take initiative and move in that direction yourself. Then see what she should be doing so she plays along. Then TELL HER to do exactly that. Aka, LEAD Food was to separate her from the group Yet I ask you what do you want, and you reply 'to eat' So was it an excuse or is that your actual want? The problem with the setup is that you are not operating on your want, but are being constrained by some external bullshit, and not excerting your will and not leading, so you became a passenger Let's say you get to the place and you find out the wait is long and the tables are not good: find another place. Or ask for a takeover and you wait with the girl standing so you can bounce on each other and kino. Or go to the bar of the place. Or tell the girl, you know what, I have pizza home let's eat that It's not about 'what can be done' in that situation: the answer will depend on what do you want, and what the scenario gives on each particular situation and how you make what you want happen Even in that setup where you're already on the table with her. What do you want? more kino? offer your hand. Do you want a kiss? tell her "come here" and make out. Do you want to dance? stand up offer your hand and start dancing. WHO THE FUCK IS STOPPING YOU BE THE FUCKING BOSS Make reality happen "what do I do" for fuck sake Whatever the fuck you want: that. (edited)

=============================== Stomp her walls when you are actually going to do what she wants you to do So before you do what she wants you to do, show that you can effectively do what she doesn't want you to do So you push back before playing along That makes you not-the-follower and keeps you in control ==============(edited) Me: whats your phone number? Her: what for (she doesn't like phone calls) Me: To listen to your dorky voice of course Her: hahaha Me: For whatsapp ================= That above is stronger than this: Me: whats your phone number? Her: what for (she doesn't like phone calls) Me: For whatsapp (edited)

====================================== They chase on their own when you did a flirt or call to action and they didn't respond and you didn't chase back. Also when they set a wall or do soft rejection and you stop interacting And you need to ping them again in the same case above when you still don't have enough value in their eyes, and / or when you were in chase mode before

============================== You say 'lets go' when she's ready to be taken home If not you give an intermediary thing like you've been doing 'lets go for a beer at X' Lets go for a beer at X is a clear call to action, whether 'lets continue somewhere else' is weak, and 'are you ready to go' is weak plus mixed signals

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3:24 PM

[Yohami responding to Nash on daysofgame.com] My take is that you’d be banging way more, even during day, if you wouldn’t be doing Daygame ™ [...] The best strategy is to become the type of guy girls find attractive. That involves developing the specific ‘dominant’ behaviors and climbing the social ladder. So when you talk to girls you’re approaching them from the top instead of from the bottom. [...] I believe more in you than you do – You should be able to go anywhere, at any time of the day, night, morning, noon, afternoon, see any girl you like, talk to her, and have her dreaming of you and obsessed about taking it further. You should be able to go out every night and have 3-5 girls who’d die to go home with you. You should be able to go out every day and have all the girls turning and wishing you’d open them up. You should be able to bang 11 new girls a month if you’d want to, by going out 8 times. “I have a post I’ll do that essentially shows how your theory and Krauser’s advice on how to create IOI are remarkably similar.” It’s not a theory – and it makes sense that all valid Game is similar, since women don’t change “T/F: I am lightyears ahead of where I was two years ago?” Yup! “How do we think I got better? Where did I find the opportunities? #daygame” And if you’d switch to a different approach you’d get x10 the results Give it a try Source: http://www.daysofgame.com/theory/krauser-the-elder-daygame-infinite-review/#comments (edited)

================================ 1) When a girl is giving you the eyes, act. If you like a girl and she hasn't noticed you, also act. All the waiting is weak plus it sets you in the wrong mood and frame 2) If a messup happens, don't assume its a wall and dont bounce against it, stay there and keep as nothing, take the interaction somewhere new. If you react strongly when something bad happens, you're giving power to that thing 3) If you can't bang a girl and can't escalate on her in the moment, do as follows:

Invite her to an activity or date. "hey what are you doing later / next couple of days / let's go to X" when she agrees then
Ask for her phone number to arrange logistics

The above should be how you ask for phones at all times. First invite them to something, then get their phone to arrange logistics. That sets the proper frame so it's not about you trying to seduce them and escalate via text, but the work is already done 4) Make things happen! you had all the room in the world to make things happen and were like waiting that something happened on its own. You're the leader there, she will follow, and was happy to (edited)

================= You're not inventing seduction, but dancing very old dance Which is mostly pre-written

================== "- Did anyone go out last night? The [club / bar X] was rocking" That can be answered with yes / no And its not specific enough to be a tease 1) You don't care about the answer 2) The type of question is not interesting for them to invest = freeze eventually "Me : Some of you look like party people and the other not so much. Tell me where you guys go on Fridays and Saturdays" Is weak too What to do instead? Tease Pass judgement Frame Roleplay Story telling It's always the same "did anyone go out last night" why do you care? What are they going to say? "yes I went to X" "no I didn't go" Then what? Likely you're not going anywhere, so your question has no aim, so this will be short lived What are you going to do, ask what they had for breakfast? Then " The [club / bar X] was rocking" That's passing judgement but it's also not enough Now there are a million ways to do this properly But the first thing - know what you're doing Why are you asking that question? Are you going to tease? roleplay? are you going to do a call to action? are you inviting people to that place? are you motivating them to go out more? to stay home, what? (edited)

9:56 AM

Some fixes passing judgement only Me: Anyone who didn't go out last night is an idiot(edited) The above needs to go somewhere, you have to give a reason and it must be interesting passing judgement then ramp to story(edited) Me: Ibiza last night was fucking fantastic(edited) Now that's two passing judgements, it needs to wrap up Me: It was the 10th year anniversary of the [XXX] and XXX happened.... here's my story, yes I was there" So there you judge everyone, people get that emotion, then you bring contrast to what non-idiots do, then you give the reason, then you inject a story so its about you and what you lived Me: Next week is the last one, I already have my ticket and it's a backstage pass, who wants to come? Then it turns into a call to action (edited)

9:58 AM

On the other hand if you are asking an actual question "what do you do on weekends" it sounds like you're trying to join in because you're lonely If that's the case, you can use it Me: I've been here for x years but I keep going to the same places. What's out there to explore? what do you guys do on weekends? Now you're giving a motivation for them to talk about their adventures and what they do, OR share their frustrations that they do always the same. This is a very easy setup for planning to do something together, you invite them, or they invite you See this approach is the inverse of the first one, in this you're rapport-ing into getting info about what to do, which will result in you doing stuff together. In the first one you're on a judgement / storytelling crusade (DHV) that will result in them wanting to join you on the next adventure Both are fine and valid So it's about - what you want in that particular case If you know you're talking to a girl who likes what you like then you can go ahead and shine there and she will follow If you still don't know what they are like or want you can do rapport to find out Or, if you're dealing with a couple of cute bookworm girls, talking about your drunken adventures on Ibiza will backfire But if you ask 'what do you do' and they have a book club (and you like that stuff) then maybe next week you'll be doing books and yoga (edited)

9:59 AM

Are you talking to 'guys' or are you trying to talk to someone specifically? The best you can do is address people in particular instead of doing rounds of interviews So why are you asking the question? I showed passing judgement and rapport, here's how you do tease Me: you all look like you have never partied before This is similar to the first one and can lead to the same result. But for better tease make it personal and individual (to guy who looks like a party animal)(edited) Me: man you look like you've been partying for a week, what's your secret? (To girl who looks like it's her first time out) Me: you look like you never go out. What do you do on a normal saturday, cats and netflix? (To guy who looks like a womanizer) Me: you look like you've got 99 problems but girls aint one Then you tease a girl for giving looks to him Etc. Also adding sex fun questions or plays into the mix helps Everyone is out there because they want sex And the point of it is you're doing something to generate a reaction. What type of reaction do you want? what for? why do you care? and what are you going to do with it? which leads to this other question and why it's shit

10:00 AM

You: Some of you look like party people and the other not so much. Tell me where you guys go on Fridays and Saturdays Just putting myself in that audience Im already bored and without energy to reply. It's not addressed to me, so you don't care. Am I the one being judged as the one going out, or the one not going out? why should I tell you what I do on fridays and saturdays? My guess is you're already facing the friction these type of questions create Instead talk to me - address the specific people (edited)

10:01 AM

Me: man you're big, do you hit the gym a lot Me: so should you be drinking alcohol? I think that goes against all the testosterone injections* Me: Well at least it's not silicone injections like this girl (put arm around girls shoulders) Me: Girl do you even go out? you look so innocent Me: Ah you hide it well, that's my type of girl ;-) Me: So what do you guys do on weekends? Im looking for things to go on more adventures on Me: That's super cool Me: Is that where you sell your contraband drugs? Me: Yeah well I would be doing the same if I also worked on a bank pushing buttons Me: Everyone needs an escape (edited)

10:01 AM

Me: what music do you like? there's an event around the corner with soft drinks and music type X Me: Ah you're more of a X music type girl uh? maybe it's time to try new things Me: where are you from Me: I was guessing scandinavia instead, I guess people from X also have that 'farmer' vibe Me: What? ah you know like this 'contact with nature' vibe... nature and cows and sheep Me: Yeah dog poo too Me: very natural Me: But your skin is pretty so you've got to thank nature for that Me: That's what they say about farmers, hey Im not a sheep, stop molesting me Me: Have you been with a girl btw? I hear half the population is lesbian Me: Half the global population, so, all the women Me: Yeah men are lesbians too. See where 10 people here we're all lesbians, some of us have dicks Me: Some (cough) HUGE Me: Modern times. You and that girl should try... Me: You know what they say, roll back close your eyes and think of london Me: meeee meeee (sheep sounds) oops what happened there Me: Anyway anyone who didn't go out last night is an idiot - the party at Ibiza was incredible Me: It's happening again next week - you guys have to come. (to girl) you're coming with me (to big guy) we need you for bodyguard (to girl who likes teases) we... don't need your kind here ;-) Me: so I was there last night and this happened .... Me: so what did you do last night, cat and netflix Me: preparing for the rest of your life! Me: Ah ok that's cool Me: I had never thought of that, tell me more Me: Sounds like a life defining moment Me: shut up farmer girl we're trying to have a deep discussion here ;-)

Ping, tease, escalate, rapport / break rapport, take it somewhere new, story telling, roleplay, pass judgement, call to action (edited)

so here's the point with all the above: "You: Some of you look like party people and the other not so much. Tell me where you guys go on Fridays and Saturdays" That's asexual rapport and it goes nowhere Its not personal enough to incite deep rapport, it's not teasy enough to generate a hahaha or a strong response, it's not flirty, its not judemental enough to demonstrate high value, it's not a story, it doesn't roleplay, it's dead So if you're coming with a sucession of questions like that you're stuck in rapporting the group and that's how the vibe goes down (edited)

========================= You reward good behavior and punish bad behavior 'Brat' is a neg - it's punishing that Flat is a bitch If Flat would increase the testing, the neg should upgrade to 'cunt' Can say it as a double negative to soften the blow if needed(edited) Me: heh, don't be a cunt Thats how you set boundaries Push back bad behavior If it doesn't stop, push her away and deny attention, that's the 'no chase' All the crazy shit stays away when you're operating consistently like that This guy though, he keeps the chase and gets creative when rejected - so he's continuous investment is rewarding the 'bitch'. My guess is that he's a player learning game and wants to 'conquest the difficult girl' and get some scoring But IRL that only means he'll have bitches bitching him all the time

============================ The things girls screen for: First status Then physical / looks Then behavior That's the order - because first they screen for the tribe, and start screening from the top /the highest status men they can find Then they switch to looks, sample the best looking ones From these, they actually start interacting with the selected ones, so it's all about behavior IF the behavior is not there, then looks cease to matter If behavior is still not there, social status ceases to matter Until the behavior is found Rich good looking guy who is a beta = still a loser Also this is why traveling and clubbing and weekends and vacations are equalizers - the tribe stops to matter for a while Everyone is in a room And things need to happen fast That's how you can get 'every girl' Put me in a room full of supermodels with any guy and I can get 'every girl' Well every girl that didn't land DiCaprio and Biever X-) But I'd be on that cue too (edited)

=============================== It's not that I assume: every girl is always DTF Just bring Leonardo Dicaprio Fucking wake up It's not about if she is or not: its about who you are WHO And what you can arouse in her And if you can or not handle women which comes down to what type of man you are

======================== Ask yourself what kind of outcome would be necessary in the interaction, so you feel completely satisfied when you say bye to her

========================== Me: picture Her: hey I was thinking about you Me: ;-) Me: What about? Her: I was remembering your manboobs X-D Me: Haha what a brat. At least mine are natural

11:44 PM

============================= Me: picture Her: hey I was thinking about you Me: ;-) Me: What about? Her: the day we meet, I was remembering Me: Yeah it was a good day Me: I wish I had kidnapped you Her: hahahah Me: I'd keep you in my basement and to bad things to you Her: haha.. you're crazy ;-) Me: So Im told

Me: So how have you been? Her: bah bah blah Me: CALL TO ACTION (edited)

============================= If she is hurt it means she feels rejected, in which case what you have to do is take initiative, flirt, take her out and bang her If she is hurt it doesnt mean that she saw you as bottom guy Then a girl sees you as bottom guy she raises a wall and acts like you never existed, or, teases you so you chase her and validate some more In that case yes, ignore her and give it time, and your lack of chase will make her reframe it eventually (as long as you're visible and killing it)

10:25 PM

=============================== Robert Greene, Rollo, Heartiste view the game as war and nooncoperation So that's valid for when the game is a war and there's no cooperation Zero sum games For one to win someone else must lose That's basically Rollos issue btw - he views every female instinct as something that makes men lose Which I don't think he ever goes on to explain why because then he'd have to talk about how these things negate men's own impulses and desires That men and women can get what they want at the same time seems to be out of the plate for him So the same applies for Greene and power His stuff is good but it's missing all the win-win stuff In seduction you have to go for win win Why? because like that sex happens when she wants the dick, so you focus on her arousal, and you do so when the girl arouses you back Otherwise its a war - so you focus on girls that you cat an take advantage of, or are weak, so you can tear down their defenses, etc - Krauser like? not about finding what she likes but finding what's her weakness While the process renders you unattractive and non-arousal for most women Blue was talking about that in his channel - courtship as a 'hostile' environment Fuck that (edited)

================================= For a girl - her side of the courtship is different than yours. Her job is to filter bottom from top men. To do so she puts herself in situations where you can make a move, and then shell see how she feels about your move and either reply with compliance and arousal or set a wall. That's why everything where she goes along, or anything she says where she gives you a space to be with her, means its ON. She says she wants to go hiking? she wants to be with you in the outside so you have plenty of room to hit on her and arouse her. She says she wants to do coffee? she wants to be with you so you hit on her. She wants a walk in the park? she wants to be with you so you hit on her. She wants to be alone with you anywhere? She's ready to be fucked. What she expects at every point is that you will use the opportunity and space she's giving you, to lead her and take things further. BUT YOU. YOU ARE A MAN For you it's not enough to 'give her opportunities to hit on you'. You're the one who needs to be making the moves, and they must all be 'top guy framed' or you disqualify yoursef. This is why she can invite you to asexual stuff and the sexuality of it is assumed. Anything she does where she's still giving you time means there's sex on the table. BUT YOU need to actually make these things about sex, to demonstrate you're operating on the right frame. If you ask for asexual stuff - or if you push before the pace, or don't move ahead at all, hit on invisible walls etc, if you act like you don't know wtf you're doing, then you're bottom guy, and she takes away the opportunity. You're the man in the dance, she's the girl (edited)

=================================== The pace: You make the move ahead when you have compliance and she will says YES, so you escalate on arousal But you control the pace 100%. You get her to arousal with the flirt / tease / roleplay / call to actions etc, you rub her. When you get compliance, then you reward and escalate Moving before the pace means escalating 'doing your own thing' and letting her control you by her setting walls, which is telling you directly how to do things. Moving before the pace means escalating when there's no compliance, to which her she'll reply by setting walls, moving away and gaining space so she can evaluate you again, or throwing shit tests to see if you 'deserve the place you're trying to go', etc. But moving before the pace 'feels bad' so most likely she'll label you as unworthy and that'll be it (edited)

===================================== "What do I do so Im not bouncing against a wall" WHY are you bouncing against a wall to begin with? Are you trying to overcome rejection or are you trying to arouse the girl? It's not the same thing and not even close All this stuff is so idiotic man "I thought girls need it to feel she's not just a slut getting pumped and dumped" Right "you don't know me" All that is "YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ME" You're in a sexual courtship You're not an asexual friend = you are not paying attention to what they want, sexually You are not paying attention to what turns them on You're doing your solo dance And you're trying to escalate on them for your 'selfish' desire but not looking at THEM and not trying to AROUSE THEM, or in other words, you want them more than they want you - their desire is not fully ON yet So thats how they feel like an 'object' This is NOT about you getting to know them for a year and showing interest on the health of their grandma This is about their AROUSAL If she tells you "not yet" she needs more arousal What will make her more aroused? she's also telling you The thing that is poisoning you here - is the assumption that everything she days and does is a trap and that any instance of 'going with her frame' means no sex because all she is doing is dissuading you from having it You start this game as an uphill battle like she's a resisting princess and you're a wolf And all she says all the time is to stop you Which is unadultered bullshit Your own conversation with yoga girl shows you so You did ASEXUAL BETA shit SHE ESCALATED IT SEXUALLY

============================ Roleplay is creating a parallel reality with roles for you and her that fit the type of emotions and relationship you want with her

============================= Lets assume you want to ask her out =========== Me: Hey are you in City? (to ask her out) Her: No Im back home =========== Now what? the winning scenario for what you want is one of these A) You ask her out so when she comes back you go out, or B) She invites you to visit her and you fuck her in her hometown This is why this is going nowhere, what are you punishing? Me: That must be boring She replies "It's lovely I like it here" THEN WHAT? Or this Me: Oh, so you'll be missing me every day Her: Not really :-D THEN WHAT? She doesn't miss you yet Do random shit: get nowhere Get it man? =========== Me: Hey are you in City? (to ask her out) Her: No Im back home Me: Hows it like? (she'll open up the scenario) Her: blah blah (love it, or hates it) then Me: Lol boring. Invite me there, we'll make that town more interesting If you feel like going there and she's bored, or Me: Sounds lovely, I may drop by, where are you going to take me? Roleplaying that you are together sharing that experience that she likes, or lets say you prefer to wait till she comes and there's no material for a roleplay or self inviting Me: When are you back in my city? I'll take you out

=========================== The girl is giving you IOI while you're with another girl and you have 2 min to make it happen? Me: Hey sexy ;-) Me: So what are you doing later tonight? Me: Cool give me your # and I'll ping you Me: Vanessa? Im in for a ride arent I (kino) Me: I have to go (kiss) In the middle of my sentences there's more tease / flirt / banter/ neg depending of what she's coming up with, but that's the general structure =========================== I stopped giving my name because my assumption is that girls know who I am Her: ooh what's your name? Me: heh Me: Humongous ;-) Her: haha for real? Me: No. Mr Big Her: (punches) haha come on Me: Dr GoodFuck Me: Write it down

========================= ON BONDING Definitions man Without a definition what are we talking about I propose: a bond is a type of relationship with something or someone that becomes part of your personality, and as such you want to keep stable, cultivate and grow - you experience good feelings when the relationship is good, and bad feelings when the relationship is bad or ends Do you know the bond of a mother and a child? We can even talk about it without making any particular example Because it's not about a woman and a kid It's about archetypes Same for the child, every child experiences 'the bond with the mother' Even when you reach adulthood that bond is there, and if gets perturbed it causes pain Even if you have a shitty mom, 'oh, the bond' Right? In other words the bond is stronger than the players Your bond with your mom is stronger than your mom as the person EVEN THOUGH your mom as the person is the real thing The bond is some archaic channel that was there and you were lucky or unlucky about the actual factual person using the bond Now when you fell in love with the first or second girl you loved, at some point you found another bond, it's called "THE ONE" Again the same deal "THE ONE" is stronger than the actual person you're dealing with Then you may or not keep looking for a girl who can be "THE ONE" so you can have that bond So the actual person is little more than a tool so you can have 'the bond' Can some other woman come in your life and say "hey we're not related but I want you to bond with me more than you bond with your mom" Does that fit? These archaic bonds are there prewritten Then you have the 'frienship' bond That's basically about belonging to a tribe and being at more or less the same value in the hierarchy Then you have "father like" bond Then you have "the teacher" bond Which is probably what I trigger When we form relationships we ping existing bonds We don't create new ones Now ALL WOMEN ARE ALREADY BONDED TO TOP GUY

3:20 PM

That's what I keep writing about all the time The reason this 'game' works with every girl is it's already there It's not if they like top guy or not, it's only "can you be the person they can use to have her top guy bond" It's all pre-written and they have no choice or say on the matter And it cannot work in ANY OTHER WAY

============================================ Its about HER Let yourself process that You like "pizza" but then you have flavors and ingredients, and temperatures, and times of day, and amounts. "Pizza" is the archetype but then there's all the other stuff. Everyone likes pizza, but which one? what temperature? The focus is here: The hunger, and the mouth, the receptive organ, the organ that perceives, is the one determining what is right and what is wrong In the case of the girl, her organ would be 'her vagina' but that is compounded by a lot of things that the girl is perceiving at the moment. So let's encapsulate all that in an organ called her 'arousal' Putting Top Guy into the girl's arousal is like putting pizza on her mouth "top guy" is mandatory, but it's not about the top guy, it's about 'her experience' For the girl - what she is doing, on a deeper biological level, is getting semen from a high quality source to then proceed to nest and have a bunch of kids that need to survive So ALL of her focus is put into 'how she is feeling' and she's nitpicking and making sure everything feels right and is where it should be It's about her it's not about you The only thing that matters, for her, is how she feels When she processes you - she does so through her feelings. And whatever she feels is the 'truth' That means that if she was partying last night, and you're talking in a normal volume, now 'you're too loud' If she had a rough day at work and is feeling lonely then she 'needs more rapport' and whatever If shes on an ovulatory day, then she needs some more vigorous fucking, and she'll look down to 'rapport' and boring shit. Every day it's like she's a new girl, and needs something else, and it's finding a different balance The constant of what she'll always want is 'top guy' but SHE is different So she demands and is hungry for something slightly different each time And that particular thing that will change, and is always different, is always "how to fuck her"

4:36 PM

All this to say - it's not that she "sees some top guy potential in you" and that to fulfill her fantasy you must be faster or slower. Nope - THAT DAY she wants it slow, or faster, or rougher, or nicer, or deeper, or more superficial, or happy or angry, etc, and it's about her, not you, and it's completely selfish, and whatever that is, it's the channel where she wants to take in your energy and create some life with. Has nothing to do with you, and has nothing to do with 'top guy' either. It Women are perpetually changing and hungry cock sucking machines (edited)

================================================= Lets say you have a MILLION BUCKS You can do whatever the fuck you want with them You go to the stock market There are 100 possible places where to put the money, and you want to make more And feel like risking some What do you do? How do you test You put 1$, which is NOTHING on the 100 of them Or on the ones that look more promising But you put BARELY ANYTHING because you're 'just testing', have no attachment or even expect anything out of it There are 100 possible spots, you want to make more money, but you DONT KNOW which one is it, so the first investment is a TEASE You just put it out there. You have a million bucks, you put 100 bucks out there, to see what happens No investment whatsoever and you care as little as a little fuck So a day passes by 90% of the money you put in, nothing happened 5%, actually collapsed and now they pretend you need to pay more (no thanks) 4% gave some results 1% made you a lot of money Meaning you put 1 buck, it made 5 What do you do now? So you put $100 more on the 1%, which is a DOUBLE DOWN What about the other %4 that also gave you some money? Ok put $10 more on each, that's "REWARD" How about the 5% who are sucking your money? they are telling you "because you put money here, now we want all your money" Me: Lol no, fuck you Thats setting a BOUNDARY or punish What about the 90% that did nothing? To the 90% that did nothing - well nothing for now as you found way better results somewhere else, but may try again in the future You dont go "oh how dare you didn't react, I gave you 1 dollar!" You never put your million dollars anywhere That's always in your pocket You put money you can lose and you don't care about And put more money when you'll win Is any way you can make money in that market without paying attention to it?

5:48 PM

=== Any way to make a fortune by just 'doing your thing' and solo dance? Well you can 'get lucky' And the next day you're bankrupt So, "numbers game" game is playing randomly and never checking the market, basically "random game" is the same, you're doing whatever and never checking the market The market is both the whole population of girls, but is also one single girl The single girl has '100 spots" that may or not stimulate her, and you want to bang her So you do 'your thing' and poke and touch and flirt and lead and whatever, everywhere, just a tease Then a 1% will explode in joy Where do you stimulate her more? That doesn't mean you are a 'slave provider' What that means is you want profit / you want her pussy / and you know where to invest your time money and energy And you're not going to be spending energy where there's no return You're not going to be putting energy where it's being stolen You're going to be putting mild energy where there's some mild returns But you're for sure going to capitalize on what is giving you the YES What happens if the same spot that was giving you all the profits, then suddenly becomes a negative and joins the 5% that is sinking money? What do you do Do you put more and more money so it reverses? or do you stop putting money on it? And to this spot do you say "ohhh how dare you become negative Im going to burn you down" or do you say "oh that sucks, well figure it out and I may come back later"

5:48 PM

======== From every possible angle that's the winning scenario. Not only that behavior is 'attractive' but it's the behavior that makes you win in life in general You have the value and you invest it where it gives you profits You have a disposable amount of energy and you invest as little as possible scanning for opportunities When you find an opportunity, you double down and escalate When something is neutral, you don't spend more but may come back later When something is negative, you put a boundary, a barrier to it, but also could come back later to see where it's at All while having no attachment whatsoever to either the market or the sum you're gambling Because it's all a game, and you still have a million on your pocket And women LOVE being on the receiving end of that game

===================== When the girl gives you the opportunity she's aroused and that's the time to act If you let the window go, it's gone, plus she sets a wall "you're not the kind of guy she thought you were" So now you have a broken expectation to overcome Miss the window - now you're going uphill Take the window: easy ride

======================= The window: when the girl sees something she wants, she opens and is receptive. In that moment she'll be receptive to ANYTHING, will say yes to most thing, will find you attractive regardless of what you do as long as you're semi competent. During that time, she's aroused on her own and is filling the gaps. It's like when she sees the cute quarterback stud and she wishes he'd talk to her: the guy can come and talk about boring stuff and all she will hear is "he is talking to her" and will be happy. That 'window' has a duration and if you dont act on it, it passes and it's gone. Depending on the intensity of the window it may not be gone for good an may be able to be reopened easily. The less the girl knows you, the shorter the window. When a girl that doesnt know you stares in you your eyes for example, that is a very, very short timed window for you to go where she is and initiate contat. If you don't do it, then the window is quickly gone, your lack of action is enough to disqualify you as a suiter. So if you're doing daygame for example, initiate eye contact with girls and go talk to the ones who give you 'the eyes'. That alone will increase your success rate by a lot. But that's a constant for all game

===================================== Yohami, you seem to clearly let the girl know you want to fuck her Nope, it's a fully expressed 'maybe' PUAs try to act disinterested The problem is when you're needy and bottom guy, your 'intent' is miscalibrated, desperate, pushy, moving ahead of the pace, not escalating on arousal, so you need to hold it back all the time What do you think about PUAs acting disinterested in the girl? To balance with bottom guy chasing the girl You and me will never be together, we're too different That's a tease No sex for you tonight Tease acting like slowly she's changing your mind. The retarded part about this is the 'acting' You should not be a YES guy from the first moment. It's not about acting. You should be approaching her as a stock option and putting 1 buck there to see what happens, and only increase your investment as long as she's compliant and things work out. You're screening her. From a bottom guy perspective the above looks as 'acting as if she's changing your mind' and 'playing hard to get' because from bottom frame you are already desperate and would take that girl, or any other girl that would give you attention, and you'd do so without boundaries of your own. But it's not an 'act' The truth is you want to fuck, and will fuck a girl, and she may be the girl you'll choose, or not - so it's a maybe. Someone will get 'you' and what you have to offer - time, energy, attention, sex, adventure, companion, fun, and the good fuck and the monster cock. She does need to qualify. How will she qualify? by playing along with what you throw at her and showing that she's receptive and is there to please you and her own pleasure / wants are compatible with yours. (edited)

============================== Should you be a YES man or a MAYBE man? Of course it's a maybe If shes hot and attractive and she wants to put a dildo in your ass, are you in? How about if she's hot and attractive but you have a hotter and more attractive girl keeping you busy at the time? How about if she's got garlic breath and is disgusting in other ways How about if she's a nagger with no sense of humor and generally insuferable How about if she'll file a false rape accusation after you bag How about she has aids and herpes YES men are unattractive MAYBE men are attractive All the above is to illustrate the many standards you have to apply to a girl you'd bang So you ARE screening The type of screening that comes from abundance is the attractive one, this: "How about if she's hot and attractive but you have a hotter and more attractive girl keeping you busy at the time?" Sure she's hot and attractive - so are another million girls, what makes her special, and what's in it for you? Why should you drop any of your other hotties that night for her? Why should you care? how will she sweeten the deal? why would she be the one? is she worth it? That compared to a YES man - the yes man will be pushing to get in and trying to get a piece of her and let her dictate the rules, conditions, walls, price exchange and more, signaling that she's the best he can get, therefore he's below her, therefore her arousal goes down

============================================= Let’s say a girl is acting bitchy, and you’re tempted to tell her to go fuck herself. On the surface, you have two options: 1) Tell her that if she continues doing what she’s doing you’ll leave 2) Just leave Believe it or not, number one, even if it’s reasonable and mostly reasonable most of the time and good for a bunch of things, it’s bottom guy, and decreases attraction. Here’s why you may think that it’s showing strength – let’s add the real bottom guy option 0) Put up with it So we have: 0) Put up with it 1) Tell her that if she continues doing what she’s doing you’ll leave 2) Just leave 0) Option Zero is where most men are. Not just putting up with crap but mixing in caramel and pushing through and doing dance moves to the beat to try to please her and get something in return. Every move done here decreases your value, and tons of different types of girls enjoy when a man is devaluing himself like this, because it’s a vampiric exchange and it raises their value. They will not give you sex in return – or if in specific occasions they do, it’s to further extract more resources from you by making you put up with heavier stuff down the line. This is the life of a beta. (edited)

8:01 PM

1) Option One in comparison is drawing a line, and communicating what repercussions may happen. It relies in communication and it assumes that all parties share the same objective, and it’s leading towards a common objective. The problem with it in the sexual courtship is that you both don’t share the same objective. Your objective is to fuck her – that’s fixed. Her objective though is to fuck you, if she can be sure that you’re a top guy and not a bottom guy. So her objective is to screen you, which can be satisfied by disqualifying you, or qualifying you. She’s there because either you qualify already, or she sees the potential for qualification (that’s the % yes). The “If this happens then X will happen” communicates that a line has been crossed and that repercussions might happen. So it communicates a boundary. But it doesnt communicate what kind of man you are. It still raises the question. Are you a bottom guy who will put with it, or a top guy who will enforce the boundary? So, literally, the only option you have given her, is to cross your boundary more to see if you will follow through and enforce the boundary. So you have just told her to push your buttons some more and now she will want to see you actually going through the motions

8:02 PM

The “If this happens then X will happen” communicates that a line has been crossed and that repercussions might happen. So it communicates a boundary. But it doesnt communicate what kind of man you are. It still raises the question. Are you a bottom guy who will put with it, or a top guy who will enforce the boundary? So, literally, the only option you have given her, is to cross your boundary more to see if you will follow through and enforce the boundary. So you have just told her to push your buttons some more and now she will want to see you actually going through the motions. Which makes this the only top guy option: 2) Just leave But that’s drastic right? Not really. Bad behaviour doesn’t start out of the blue, it comes in gradually. She doesn’t just start acting out and pushing your boundaries. Like everything in courtship, things come announced, teased, in micro dosis, before amping up. When having a boundary crossed actually means you’ll walk out, and you have zero tolerance for bullshit, it will show up as soon as the micro transgressions happen. This permeates the whole thing since your very first moment.

8:03 PM

Bad behaviour doesn’t start out of the blue, it comes in gradually. She doesn’t just start acting out and pushing your boundaries. Like everything in courtship, things come announced, teased, in micro dosis, before amping up. When having a boundary crossed actually means you’ll walk out, and you have zero tolerance for bullshit, it will show up as soon as the micro transgressions happen. This permeates the whole thing since your very first moment. It’s not that you’ll put up with some shit until you’ve had enough, but that you’ll put up with no shit at all. So when she does the first minimal shit-testing, she already finds a wall. It wont be you “walking out” but you setting a wall, not doing a chase, not going to some place, not bitting the bait. In other words you two never get to the stage where you have to communicate that there’s a problem and that there will be consequences, because she experienced the wall and the situation was resolved by your much earlier determination to not put up with any kind of shit whatsoever, which is only compatible with top guy, which makes the question solved in her mind already, which makes her respond by opening up and giving you pussy.

8:03 PM

So when there’s a real power play, already act like a top guy would, instead of letting know “a top guy wouldnt put up with this so if you continue I will be forced to act like a top guy would”. And when power plays start, already do the thing. I can be more specific with specific scenarios. One that comes to mind was Penguin talking to this virgin girl who was trying to friendzone him while telling him that she liked him. This was a trap designed to make him chase and beg. I advised him to reply “sure let’s be friends, let me know when you want to hang out, cheers ;-)”, and to consider that lead closed and wait until she messaged him with sexual intent and compliance. She predictable sent a few “friends” type text which he ignored. A couple days later she wanted to meet and they had sex. Like clockwork. Why was his reply top guy? because he acknowledged her frame, but dismissed it, didn’t chase, and stood with the “hang out” only viable option, and “cheers” which means goodbye, it’s my way or the highway, but still non-invested. That poor girl had no chance.

====================================== You put the rules verbalized, the girl will fight them Even if they are win win And explaining how the are fair makes things worse The rules are better set early on as boundaries Me: dont want that, this is what I want If she complies all is good if not, next She acts bitchy? soft next her Saying "I dont like when you talk to me like that" makes it worse Me: bitch Less is more She won't adjust to your will to make things fair or make thing reasonable But she will do as told, if told properly Not because of compassion and not because she cares about your boundaries But she will adjust to boundaries when she pays the price at the slightest transgression That is what they are wired for

============================ What you want is a reaction from her The reaction you want is that she gets pulled towards you So focus on feeling the pull And focus on her state so you know what to say to produce that reaction This is no different than making a joke Or telling a story Or stopping someone to ask for a direction And this stuff is already pre-written in your biology and hers You just have to use the tools you already have There's nothing exceptional about it

============================ Girls want the toppest guys of any tribe they are in They try to get to the top and center of a tribe and get the guys that are there Girls get as high and center and start screening guys from the top down First criteria: social status Second: looks Then they start interacting with thw guys In search for the third but most important criteria: Personality "top guy" If they dont find the behavioral top guy they drop looks as a category If they still dont find the behavioral top guy they drop status as a category In the process they may get in a relationship with a higher status beta while they keep searching for the actual top guy So Lets say you have a job that has prestige Ot fame Or Rich and show it Plus good looking The girls will come to screen you First And see if you have the behavior to match If they dont find it they move on quickly and out to screen the next guy

8:17 PM

========================= Beta rewards the girls all the time because the reward is a bait Top guy rewards compliance only Beta: "girls like validation so I will offer her validation. Girl what do you need validation for? I have much validation to give, I want you to be confortable and cant live without all my validation so I become important to you and you dont leave me... also I kind of want sex... hey girls giiiirrls who wants validation????" Its aimless and accomodating and follows her around Top guy: "Here is what I want, do your best to please me and I will treat you well. Cross the line and you wont like what happens" The validation from top guy is not 'free' - its reward for her playing along, doing as told, being pleasant etc The validation from beta has little value to her

============================ What girls see in the future is "I will have fun until Im past my 30s" That means, they are all sluts There are no "LTR"s Everything is temporary and fun-based That's how more than half the girls I banged 'had boyfriends" Every girl has a 'boyfriend' of course they do = free male validation, sex and gifts It means absolutely nothing to them As soon as a better fun option shows up

=============================== Here's male dominance Me: Go Here's female dominance Her: Go to the left, slower, faster, now turn, stop, ok keep going, no no go to the other side, ok stop Or, female dominance is 'ongoing pressure and constant risk of conflict'

================================= So it's not about being 'the same', but about being able to do the male - female dance where you come up with a proposition and she's receptive, you lead and she can play along (edited)

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11:16 PM

Why I got married - not really the question. I got married so I could be in Europe Im from Venezuela and Im banned from pretty much every country That's also why I wasnt able to make 'music' happen yet Fucking insane roadblocks So Im banned from entry unless I can prove Im unable to stay And I can't prove that I would also stay illegally anywhere I was an illegal in Argentina too But why I decided to go monogamy with a girl, that's the real question The superficial and true answer is I want relationships that last and are built on, so I have kids now And a wife And that can last forever till I die if I want to It's built upon So that's the superficial true answer - I want stuff that is built on

11:16 PM

The deeper true answer, is that everything is the same There's no really point in banging 4 different girls a week Did that for years I can't remember their faces or names Then it's some other personal shit and that hit me And I still unease about it So - this is not "game" but personal stuff I was omega till I was 27 Bah 25 Then I was beta So I was in the search of the Unicorn and shit Dreaming of the ONE I'd find a different girl who could be the ONE every two years or so And I'd fall madly in love and court the shit out of her Then she'd reject me of course, and back to being alone and incel so when I went into GAME I had to let go the idea of love LIke - love can't be done. What do I do with all the love I want to give? I slice it in 100 pieces and give a little to every random girl But no girl can have it all So that worked more or less for a few years and I went all Player Then I had a girlfiend, that didn't work, I took a break, then I came back in Game Then the top guy shit happened THEN BAM every fucking girl LOVES ME Not 'loves me' but LOVES ME Loves me with letters and chase and drama and tears and bullshit So all these other girls I had been banging, they could love too, they just didn't love me But they all love the 'top guy' dude So what I got at Is that EVERY GIRL is the same and every girl Im going to bang or flirt to is going to fall madly in love and try to be the one So I can't just do 'casual sex' anymore Every girl is gonna try to be a wife And the amount of drama that carries is hard to handle and makes me jaded

Because of where I came from Not to say that a different guy can handle all that love bombing easier Girls are fucking insane I got girls jealous that I was kissing someone else and went to vandalize my car / front house

11:17 PM

So many stories like that, fucking game of thrones Girls in bars coming "I love you" fucking drama all day Girls I like and are banging, all jealous of each other, trying to give me jealousy by jumping on other men Non fucking stop Don't know man Maybe I could handle that at some other time For me it was easier when the seduction was sex The girl falling in love all the time - different issues I got girls falling in love that I didn't even kiss Or kissed ONCE Then two minutes later they are giving me the love letters they had already written Weeks before Fuck lol Then of course I don't recicprocate And shit ensues

My wife was one of my harem girls she was part of that histeria The prettier too Smarter too Lawyer and beauty queen from this country, and good with kids So she's a catch

11:21 PM

================= what do you mean that a Top Guy leads with his sexuality It means you're talking to her because you like her and are screening her for sex and that's apparent and tangible - as opposed to you coming with an asexual excuse of why you're talking to her. Example, Riv games all his girls as a photographer that just wants to take professional pics of them, then tries to bait and switch Another example, asexual openers like "what bread do you like" etc Anything that is not conveying that you're talking to her because you want to bang her, is not 'leading with your sexuality' The other part of it is that when you lead with sexuality, you're actively trying to arouse her, and investing more when she's compliant, so you're leading towards sex as fast as she's getting aroused by the dance

===================== BlueValentine: So girls chase you by definition when you're Top Guy, even if she knows you want to fuck her and you are arousing her from the beginning. She doesn't chase because you do things that make her chase, she chases because you are Top Guy even if she knows you're going for sex Right - but being top guy involves doing a lot of things that 'makes her chase you', because that's the sort of thing you do. Like arousing her, arousing her more more, and not chasing her, which arouses her more, then busting her boundaries, which arouses her, then not being afraid to lose her, which arouses her, then ...(edited) What you have to see is that every girl is always chasing All of them are chasing all the time They are all chasing top guy It's not that 'you make her chase you' She's already chasing All you need to do is flash what they want in front of them (edited)

====================== Of all the roleplays, the "Im dangerous and you're a little girl" is among the worse This is the best roleplay if you're wondering Me: You look tasty, I may fuck your brains out Why? it's true. It matches every girl. It matches what you'll do. It's easy to follow. It will adapt to other psychological complexities. It will even match the 'little girl who wants a wolf' So it will match that girl, too But all the others as well And its "I may fuck your brains out" with a conditional, not WILL but MAY And "you look tasty" not as a conditional but as a given. So there's validation but from there on it's all a maybe in terms of our investment Compare - "Im dangerous / vampire and you're food" you are already a YES, she can only give you what you want as long as she's a defenseless victim, and what follows is most likely is she running away, if you're following that script. Now, WHY THE FUCK play this game? Just bang her for fuck sake Not that complicated

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================= Focus on your desire to bang her, and on her desire to bang you =================

Following orders is not in opposition to being dominant You can be a general and follow orders from the president We talked about that with the university and your professors too Following orders goes in opposition to being dominant - only when the orders go against your will, there 'submitting' is also breaking you If you're aligned with authority, following authority makes you stronger Then you become that authority yourself That's how the apprentice becomes the master an the soldier becomes the general And a white belt becomes black belt ====== So being 'dominant alpha male at work' is about your own dominance, authority, competence, confidence, asertiveness, boundary setting, etc - all the personality traits that I put in the 'top guy'. Plus the active looking for opportunities and taking them, and pushing / punishing bad behavior, and wall management It's life skill No inch of it will 'get you fired' And 'flirting with girls' - there's no different between flirting with girls and talking with girls. Im sure you're allowed to 'talk' There's no difference between gaming a group and 'talking to people', Im sure you're allowed to talk to people That thing that is telling you you can't rise up for the occasion and 'be the man' is some toxic crap limiting you inside but it's not there, not outside, nobody else is preventing you from it And - you're not safe for not being 'the man'. You're disposable (edited)

==================== The key elements are always the same so you can learn to identify the parts - then the proper course of action is easy You tease, then reward or punish - that's about it. Everything else is built on this(edited) So as long as you know what you want, you can tease to get a reaction to test for things, then you reward when the reaction is something you like, and punish when the reaction needs fixing. And you keep moving forward towards what you want. - this is applied to anything will always work In the case of male - female dance what you want is to bang her so all the teases are about 'what arouses her' since she needs to want the dick for you to bang her So all that is fixed, it's always the same (edited)

==================== I never said 'don't explain'. I said "never justify, never make her your judge" WHY? Because when you justify to her and make her your judge you're putting her above of yourself, which means she's above of you, and girls are attracted by men who are above of themselves, and repulsed to me who are below them. So where do you want to position yourself, above, or below? But you can 'explain things' if she's confused or if there's a misunderstanding. (edited)

======================= The initial opener doesn't have to be direct though I forget about it and was always direct - then I went to Bern and had to take a bus, so I stopped 2 students and asked for the bus station, they looked at the map, started chatting, where are you from and shit, could have insta dated them (they were just killing time). As I walked away they were like "do you think he's from spain" and stuff Bottom line as long as your'e talking "man to woman" the content doesn't matter So any of these openers can also work If she likes you she wont even hear the words It will be [attractive guy is talking to me, don't mess it up girl!!] "oh yeah what oh my style oh the bus station? oh Im single and my name is clara btw" Me: Hey (dominant commanding) excuse me (softer as I approach) Girls: (stop, wondering) Me: (come closer, looking at the pretty one, then the other one) Me: (turn to the same direction they are looking at, so we're aligned) Me: I have to take the bus 57 or the 85, where is the stop? Girs: (cute girl) Where are you going? Me: I have to go to the embassy and blah blah Me: (hand my phone with a screenshot of a map) This is here right? Girls: (less cute girl gets busy solving my problem) blah blah Me: Are you from here? Girls: students blah blah Me: You look like x Girls: hahaha (continue walking together in the same direction, instant friends) I wasn't trying to pick them up, it just happens

========================== She can be hearing NO all the time from betas Or other people The reason NO is arousal, is because it's compatible with top guy frame Or, the reason you find hot girls arousing is not that you don't see them often You could be surrounded by hot girls - and a new one would still be arousing The REASON is not the frequency you get exposed to it The RARITY may increase it's value But RARITY is not the REASON The NO is attractive in of itself It means boundary(edited) It means you're an authority It means you're not subdued to her It means you're not afraid to say NO to her It means you have your own power and you're independent and things happen on your terms It means you can let her go It means your own value is above of hers It means: pussy wants it

================================= So here's the deal and I said that at Nash's blog a few times The reason why I oppose Daygame is not 'gaming during day' but the set of assumptions, frame, and the resulting behavior, and the obvious consequences Or, the REASON you embrace going after girls when they have their walls up and are not looking for sex, is that you are AFRAID of going after them when their walls are down and they are looking for sex, BECAUSE you don't feel you can match up to what she's looking for and the competition(edited) As long as that is there, in any form, at any time of the day, you're screwed No matter what Also - the mere tendency that you PREFER to go after girls when their walls are UP, it trains you to do the wrong things The whole enchilada that I've been preaching of walls vs openings, going for a girl arousal etc. To be able to invest in her arousal and double down, you need to be able to identify what it is, which means you need to be able to see it, so you need to have exposure to it

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You can be out the whole day and see a million of girls passing by and never see any of them aroused So your exposition to arousal is 0

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======================= Man You have your own hand at hand? look at your hand Let me know when you have it ok Make a fist out of it Done? Ok Make the fist disappear Thats it Can you make that fist again? Now make it go away Here's the kicker "shapes" The 'fist' is a shape If you look closely it doesnt really mean anything, it's just the same hand you had, but you adopted a pose You bent some fingers, big deal Now it's a 'fist' But as a 'fist' it operates different than normally You can punch things Then you move into another shape 'open hands' and the behavior and functionality of it is something else And 'you' - you are neither, or both Lets call you - you are the intelligence that adopts both shapes and directs the purpose Follow me so far? I'll translate Top guy and Bottom guy, Alpha an Beta - are shapes When you get a subordinate job, your job is to be subordinate When you get a job as a boss, your job is to be the boss These are shapes, and they are all predefined You adopt them, and do their function And for that time being, you 'are' that shape That means you perceive from that frame, and act from that frame The world out there is also organized in shapes You have the hot girl, the cool guy, the stud, the loser, the doctor, etc The artist, the succesful one, the starving, the shy All that stuff was already pre-made, it's empty roles and we go and fill them "Bending the fingers into that shape" But none of these are YOU And it's not that you "destroy the shape" you don't destroy the bottom guy You simply let it go and adopt a new shape It's never 'gone' because it also was never there As long as you have a hand you can be both You can open and close it So To answer you now a) “I’m not good enough” b) Dunno what to say/do next? No it's not fake till you make. There's no fake It's: repeat the shape where you want to be, until you fully feel comfortable and get skills and know how to go back and forth You take the shape until its natural

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Which is faster than you think That fear - is natural. or, it's part of the bottom frame and can't be disassociated from it If you are in bottom frame, FEAR is the glue And nothing wrong with it It's just a shape But you cant never get rid of the fear as long as you're in bottom frame, ever Doesn't matter what you do Yeah You can face the fear and that makes you brave But if you switch to top frame and have no fear - is that the same as being brave? In the case of courtship - if you need bravery to talk to her, you'

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====================== How do I switch to that frame? Self-hypnosis? Yohami *NOWWA - Today at 10:12 AM No man Easier You do the things that belong to that shape, and stop doing the things that belong to the shape you're trying to let go of So you had the fist, lets say that's the bottom frame You - open your hand And start operating like an open hand If the hand reflexively goes back to fist, you take note, and open it again Go grab something, pick an apple, eat it, play piano Use the open hand This is not 'mind tricks' It's what shape are you effectively using Look a few weeks ago this guy Lucretius was going out to the same expat drinks. He was unsuccessful but comfortable, so I urged him to hit bars and pubs alone just because that scared him. He said he would do it but that he'd go a couple times just to watch people and go over his anxiety. I told him no - go out there and ping, flirt, tease, escalate, have fun, pay no fucking attention to the anxiety, it will just go away as soon as you start having fun. So he did - had fun, and no anxiety. The first night got a makeout and some girl grabbing his cock, the second night got laid The fear and anxiety are part of the bottom frame - if you act bounded by that constraint, then you can't move forward and let it go The reason Daygame TM is shit, it's because it's bounded by bottom guy frame, protecting it So it can't ever let it go If you make a list for example of the things you don't like in yourself, all that is bottom guy frame As long as you're working on your weakness, you can't be strong So to be top guy - do top guy things Act top guy Perceive as a top guy Etc, adopt the shape And to stop being bottom frame guy, stop doing these things It doesn't have to 'feel natural' This is not about 'feeling natural' You don't feel natural when you start something new Pick any new sport, swimming, tennis, lifting, singing, it's all alien Things are natural AFTER you picked them They need to be incorporated (edited)

=========================== Here's another tip Go do the things you're afraid of and / or make you feel embarrassed etc, sing in a karaoke, game groups of girls, go in situations where you're alone / out of place etc, take a violent sport - do these things where you are afraid, ashamed, anxious, but NOT because of the fear, shame, anxiety, but because of the FUN or the experience, go there to learn to be comfortable with these things, not focusing on the fear, and not because of the fear. Go eat stuff you're not comfortable with, etc, do new things, get out of your shape, voluntarily and in power. That is the only part that I find useful in Daygame TM for example, but it's not quite enough. Do it EVERYWHERE. Expand out of your shape, so you get the skill to going back and forth - opening and distending your 'hand'

================ So understand it before having a position "not all women cheat" sure "all women are hypergamous whores" that's a judgement, not an observation of reality "all women are attracted to high status men and will have sex even if there's not monogamy on the plate" now THAT is very accurate "all women will cheat if there's desire + opportunity" maybe not all but certainly most "all women will cheat if there's desire + opportunity and the guy is an experienced player" now that gets closer to 'all' But hypergamy is not about cheating, it's about attraction How about this one "All women will settle for a man they are not attracted to if they don't have a better choice, but keep their option open in case a more attractive man pops in" that's very close to ALL women That's the nature of it Cultures try to fight that with laws in the case of marriage, or no sex before monogamy in the case of religion As true as "All men are attracted to fertile women and would cheat if desire meets opportunity" very close to ALL men

================== Announcing is when you state what you want to do instead of doing it, when you could be doing it. So it's a test for compliance that instead of ramping into action replaces the action, so, as a result it's just asking for permission. Example: you're in front of the girl and say "I want to kiss you" the worst offenders here are Krauser with "when we get to that spot Im going to kiss you", if the girl keeps walking to that spot, means she wants a kiss, so why not kiss her now? and Nash who uses to announce everything "You will be kissed" "I will definitely eat you" etc. Stating your desire is not the same as announcing anywhere else. You can state your desire as a ramp to a call to action, "I want to see you, let's meet" or "Im horny, when are you free" or as a roleplay "I want to go to the moon with you" "Let's have kids" etc, when the actual desire cannot be fulfilled Basically: Announcing is stating out loud what you can just do

==================== 0) What do you want. Focus. 1) Focus on being dominant 2) When you are having a conversation wiith someone, make it interesting 3) Interesting means: focus on what makes them 'tick' find who they really are 4) To find who they really are, tease, frame them, roleplay, mess up with them 5) Do this with no other purpose than having your own fun in the interaction, this is for your personal gratification, aka, you're not trying to be an entertainer, you are not providing a service, and you want nothing in return. This screening you're doing is enough in itself for you 6) When doing the above with an attractive girl, add some flirting to the mix, more call to actions, more kino, and pull her more (edited)

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7) If the person you're interacting with doesnt play along, of if they are boring, or you find you don't like them, end the interaction and move on cleanly

======================= You're above, they are below You're there to get what you want You are screening to see what's worth your time / investment You're the buyer, not the seller You set the rules, you dont follow rules You set the boundaries, you may cross boundaries You're fair, but it's on your terms You reward good behavior and tolerate no bad behavior Your time has value, your presence has value You initiate, you lead, you command, you direct You get what you want And your cake is big enough anyone who plays with you also gets a piece That's the basis of the frame

======================== Im starting to think that the reason bottom guy frame goes to crash on walls and tries to escalate there, is that walls are rigid and big, they are like 'rules' so if you're in follower mode (bottom frame) you go and follow that. So escalating on walls is like mirroring the wall or something. You mirrored the compliment line above and now mirror the wall crap. In contrast, openings are 'soft' and don't tell you exactly what to do, it requires that you use your own direction, inject 'what do you want' and lead. Which is uncertain, so maybe you experience uncertainty and fear when you see an opening, which is why you punish it? There's got to be something here in why you punish opening and reward walls. The other guys do it too

======================= Getting laid is level 1 because anyone can do it To get laid regularly all you have to do is not mess up so much, and be above average in attractiveness That's barely a skill Level 2 would be 'you know what you're doing' Level 3 "you're actually good at it" Level 4 "you're really good at it" Level 5 "black belt" All you have to do to get laid with new girls Is to treat them the same you treat tennis girl Or, all you have to do is take this idea that you're below them and need to do some special stuff to get them to open - you need to throw that away Or "you're above them, not below them"

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ut the crap Just stop it It's not "stop it and replace it with something" First stop it Let it be nothing Your whole description of how you're interacting with girls, is chase Chase and work Chase work and she's the prize And you try to do the right move But you are already a given, you are already a 'yes' so it's only about trying to make her comply and say yes, but at the same time holding yourself back beacuse you don't want to mess it up That frame is powerless You can't win Stop it What's the right frame? ============= Top guy You're above you're the judge She qualifies to you, you don't qualify to her You are focused on getting what you want In the sexual courship you focus on her arousal while you're screening her Etc You can't do 'only of one things at a time' If you go trying to pay attention to her arousal BUT you're not going for what you want, you wont arouse her If you are not leading then it's impossible for you not to fall in follower If you're trying to not mess it up, you can't escalate etc If you're in the wrong frame and try to incorporate one of the bits from the other frame, it wont work(edited) The bad frame needs to go away It wont get to the better frame by making it work more The solution for banging the waitress was to - treat her like a girl you'd be banging already, touch her, flirt with her, arouse her, escalate there, make out, etc It's a ramp of passion And if she came to see you, that's what she was there for But also any other girl, that's what they are all there for All looking for the same

============== You're sitting across a table in a cafe and you want to kiss her? How about this 1) You stand I know, shocker 2) You walk next to her Yeah mind blown 3) You ask her to stand Wooot! techniques! 4) You kiss her BAM! BAM BAM BAM!!! Here's another one 1) You stand across the table and ask her to do the same 2) "cme here" and kiss her across the table BOOOM Let's put that in a game book Then resume as normal The point is that there's absolutely no issue I don't even understand what's blocking you Going back - here's the most 'creative' one I made I had been going out with this girl but she was putting walls all the time, this is before my game was consolidated So we had been going out twice and no kiss nada She was sort of pissy and reserved, but we had good chats It was just not sexual But she would ping me if I let her go So I took her to this sushi place and we were in a crowded restaurant, nice place, 1 m from each other across the table I was holding her hand Then I stand, I tell her, come I want to ask you a question She stands, comes closer I kiss her The kiss turns into a short make out, across the table and infront of everyone Me: That was my question Her: Good question Done But - there's nothing special about this setup (edited)

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============ State what you want, go for what you want, take what you want - this should be the default If you're going to put work - work on making this your default It has nothing to do with her If this was a glass of water across the table and you were thirsty would you be thinking, oh I need to move to another restaurant I cant deal with the limits here I wonder how long should I wait before drinking that water, people are looking All the 'seeking for arousal' is you stimulating her so she's receptive when you make your moves If you don't make your moves, then what are you stimulating her for The tease - is the small thing that precedes a bigger thing The tease is so you see her reactions and you can know what she's receptive for The tease on it's own is nothing The tease is not what arouses her - the tease is so you find the arousal spot When you find it, you have to take it and escalate And rub it So you dont 'chat to find the tease spots' - you tease to find the arousal spots. When you find them, you escalate, verbally, emotionally, physically, sexually The tease is not the key, its the sonar It's a very cheap investment that you're making to see where she's at And who she is and what she likes

===================== A shit test is a tease from the girl where she's trying to expose your bottom guy It's a challenge for the top guy to show up Or, its a question or roleplay that has a right and a wrong answer, and providing the wrong answer means you're disqualified Looking at it like that - it makes me understand more why bottom guy punishes compliance Also why girls say that men are afraid of proactive girls Here 's what Im thinking When a girl gives you a wall the situation is simple: the wall is an obstacle and all you can do is push against it. It's a problem and you can try the normal male force / problem solving on it. It's on rails When a girl gives you compliance, arousal or an opening though, you're 'hands free' So that's your place to go for what you want, escalate and lead But if you don't do so, then you expose the bottom frame - even when that was not her intention by giving you an opening So in structure, the shit test and the arousal / compliance look similar Bottom guy will fail both Also from top frame, when you act like top guy, both shit tests and arousal produce the same result When the girl shit tests you - throwing bottom guy bait - and you neg it, discard it, push it aside, etc, act like top guy, the result is she's aroused because of it. Her assumption that she could knock you down a peg is challenged, so you turn out to be interesting, her clit reacts Or, if she pings your bottom guy and it doesnt exist, she finds the top guy and is then aroused And when she's aroused and gives you compliance and openings, she's pinging your top guy and if it doesnt exist, then the window is gone and she sets a wall (edited)

============================ What to do with the shit test depends on how it comes It's going to be a mix A shit test: a tease from the girl that will switch you in her eyes into either top or bottom guy It can come spun to either side The more tilted into bottom guy the more you punish The more tilted into top guy the more you can just ignore It's the same with walls / openings Your frame is wrong there "you mess up, you lose" Do you drive a car? You know that if you crash into another car you die right k Every car coming in your direction is a 'shit test' Does that make you nervous? Or, yes of course if you mess up you lose But you are the one driving, now shut up Exactly "shut up and let me drive" "I have this" You can go with the flow But you are the flow Not you at the mercy of some other flow Like a lost leaf You are the force That's why driving doesn't make you anxious Even though every car in your direction means 'you mess up, you lose' These cars are not there to crash 'you' Just like the walls and shit tests and nonsense girls do are not 'for you' None of the crap is for top guy Of course she'll throw some shit, none of that is your incumbence Show me your arousal girl A shit test from the girl means that she sees both top and bottom and she needs to determine what is what, so she sends bait And lets you decide who you are That's why when you're in top guy frame She has no fucking chance When you see a hot girl it's out of your hands to be attracted or not But you still have 'agency' When a girl is aroused, she transfer her agency and becomes a passenger So she may try to gain control by shit testing, to make extra sure Every time she shit tests though, a top guy frame comes back which makes her more aroused

===================== The betaization is a different process When the woman is in a relationship with a guy she goes from lover to future mom or mom That means the priority goes from "getting semen" to "getting resources for the children" and from "adventure" which is just a cue for her body to be super fertile and taking risks, to "creating a safe haven" and avoiding risks So her heeds change biologically She becomes a different creature Literally The guy is not longer the center - the kids are the center So if you are a follower of her - that moves you to the end of the cue If you do play that game, then she becomes the boss The aim here is not to discard you - you're past that game now. The aim is to extract as much resources as she can To build the safest net she can But if you are in passenger / bottom frame, and you just give her 'more' - she can't ever put at stop to it on her own (that's not her job) so the man is destroyed Or, surviving a LTR while in beta / bottom frame is likely impossible Maybe it was possible when the societal norms prevented the destruction of the family Likely it still meant that the wife was going to be a naggy nasty beast and the guy a pushover If you have the bottom frame tendency - you pair with a never ending demanding force that requires more more more more, that wont end well But if you're the one in power - Its like you when driving a car

================= Theory of why bottom guys punish / run away from compliance: Openings and shit tests have a similar structure - the girl is prompting you to move, and a bad move means you're disqualified. The difference is that in a shit test the girl is pinging your bottom guy, and in an opening she's pinging your top guy. Bottom guy though, sees both as a treat - he's being prompted to lead 'or else', and bottom guy doesn't know how to, so only the 'disqualification' and 'test' aspect is apparent (edited)

================= The BEST you can do is be a monster at your competence level, then an UBER TOP GUY behaviorally There you're bullet proof

=============== Well - puas endorse it because most women won't care Overconfidence feels good until she shit tests it An overconfident man is more attractive than a man without confidence PUAs are selling game to losers If the losers wanted to actually improve and climb, they wouldn't be listening to PUAs PUA = six pack on a fat guy Expensive rolex on a guy who's broke Memorized lines for a guy without imagination Pre-scripted routine for a guy afraid to lead etc Bottom game

============ With the nicknames Im not talking about trying to make her like you It's about- how you frame this relationship in a way that is conductive to what you want If Todd says "trouble" means sex and "sweethaeart" doesn't, well he's 100% right But that means shit because it's not about the word, its about HER Some girls are all out there and you can call her "nerd" and that will arouse her That doesn't mean "nerd" is a good generic nickname "trouble" and sexual nicknames - don't focus on the word, focus on her Remember when we sent the same line to different girls They all responded differently to the same line Because they are all different girls, and you're in different stages of the relationship So even though the line was 'arousing', the result is not universal Better focus on the specific girl and frame HER in a way that is conductive If the word is 'trouble', fine

============ Her: Haha, watch Netflix movie? :D Her: Is there any easier way how to get girl into your apartment? my reply me: ;-) Me: Why make things complicated ============ Her stuff, that's "I can't believe what you are saying" Second line is "Do you think Im an easy girl like that" She comes with a shit test blah blah "Im not a slut!" Me:

The wink is "Im not going to participate in that debate" and "We all know what this is about" The key point is I am not pushing Im not re-stating the invitation, not improving the invitation, not escalating Not adding pop corn Not changing the plan I made a proposal, she throws a shit test, I stop I don't continue trying to get in at speed I don't try to convince her I don't improve the offer, don't take away the offer, I don't react Don't add more, don't subtract The second line I address the wall directly, but you have to look at it I address the wal AND the opening It works on both levels, so this was first ====== Her: Haha, watch Netflix movie? :D Me:

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This also works ========== Her: Is there any easier way how to get girl into your apartment? Me: ;-) ========== But she throw a shit test, so it has a wall, and Im stopping and need to reframe this Is there any easier way how to get a girl into your apartment If you take that literally and start replying about the ways, then you are going to be justifying to her If you take the safest route "well it's just netflix" then you're backing down Back down = you lose The only thing you can do is escalate So ignore the argument about 'bringing girls' and stuff and talk to her and double down, escalating ====== Me: You can come just for the sex too ======(edited) This line will hit the nail of a super slut There's a percentage of girls who are voracious and want the womanizer to treat them like that, if you send the above, she'll bite hard In the context of this girl and what I know so far - she didn't come to the first date because it was too soon or something, then she goes out to a CS meeting and it's a failure because she can't do wine, and then she's doing self deprecating humor - she doesn't seem the type that is going to be fucking like a party animal 2 guys at once Or, I don't 'feel' escalating into the sex directly would work for her It could work for the waitress though And the first bartender For bulgarian just to make her drop her games Here, I think she needs some more room and not put her on the spot So look at the line Her: Is there any easier way how to get girl into your apartment? Saying "shes not a slut, she doesn't do easy sex dates like that!" and "you are a weasel how do you dare go that fast" Me: Why make things complicated What Im saying here is "Why go through al the trouble of dating and bullshit let's skip to the fun part"

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Also "Why go through all the bullshit shit testing, why are you making things complicated now" Also "Let's keep it casual and simple" With the emoticon it comes with the right vibe Also 'complicated' is a negative word, and Im passing the ball to her. Nobody wants to have 'complicated' things Relationships can be many things but you don't want them 'complicated' You want them easy and flowy Me: Why making things complicated What Im doing there is passing the ball to her and asking that she agrees Which is easy to do and complications are unnecessary So I reframed her wall that being easy is bad, into that being easy is good, and bouncing it back to her for compliance Since that's my last message for her as far as Im concerned, when she comes back then she's in the mood for some uncomplicated sex Which will be now, or when she's on her horny peak and her next CS meeting goes bad So from now to a week or two from now (edited)

========= When she's pressing with a shit test - no need to hurry And anyhting is better than hurrying up and trying to close, or trying to 'not fucking up' Shit test? RELAX ========= (edited)

============== For screening, a girl does as a question where both answers are valid. She'd like to find a top guy to pull inside, but also likes to find a bottom guy to push outside, each direction is a win No investment whatsoever At least when it starts After she's either aroused or repulsed, she pushes strongly to one or the other side

================ She's horny and wants to fuck. She also wants to make sure you're worthy Here's how you fuck her Me: Hey let's fuck Or - you are framing the arousal as if something hidden that must be found and has to be worked for etc While - the arousal was always there, and it's the only reason she's even talking to you If there was no arousal, she wouldn't be trying to screen you The core motivator for the girl, is get fucked She's looking for something she wants The specific thing she wants, what she's hungry for, is all that matters If she's getting what matters or thinks she can get it, she'll drop all the barriers etc, because the walls are just a defense mechanism so the wrong man doesn't get in So your attention doesn't need to go to the walls - and you're not 'creating' the arousal, you're pinging what's already there When you find it, it grows, she lets go She gets what she wanted Or, the openings is what matters in the interaction(edited) WHY: Because the walls are for bottom guy The openings are for top guy Interacting with the walls means you're bottom (unless you interact with the walls to reject them) And interacting with the openings means you're top guy (Unless you're punishing them) An opening is also 'the window'. When she shows you the opening, you have to take it, escalate, make it happen, or it's gone (Therefore you don't interact with openings, you're bottom guy) And when she gives you a wall, then you punish that, or ignore it - you communicate you're top. And trying to fuck her through the wall, escalating there or being submissive to it means you're bottom. So it's always the same

9:12 PM

Take openings and ignore / punish walls Which is what I've been saying for ages

The CORE of her screening mechanism is that she WANTS TO FUCK Otherwise she wouldn't be screening SHE WANTS TO FUCK and it will be you or someone else So 'what is she looking for' is what you have to ask yourself "who will she give herself to" "what does she find irresistible" "the walls that she gives, she's pushing away a certain type of bottom guy, what type of men would she give no resistance whatsoever to" Or, 'what does she want' That's the only thing that you have to care about Or: focus on your desire to fuck her and on her desire to fuck you

============= "I don't like it when you do X, it makes me feel Y" VS "Dont do that" Guess which one is good and which one is bad and why

If the president of your country calls you to the office Which one matches more? What's wrong about the president calling you and telling you that he doesnt like when you do X because it makes him feel Y? There's no ask It's requiring that YOU care about his feelings so you have the power to not care What's wrong in that phrase is 'president' There's a hierarchy but it's not enacting This is also why it's always, ALWAYS wrong that you act as if she caring for your feelings is important When you demand that she cares - you're breaking hierarchy It goes on the other way around If she doesn't seem to care, push her out That will make her care Demand that she cares = now she doesn't have reason to, because you're not the man (edited)

=========== ARE YOU A PLAYER?? There are several ways to play that, will depend on the girl But at her age - you have to factor other things She 'has been burned before' - which means she put a few years into having fun and fucking players But not the clock is ticking and she 'doesn't want to waste more time' "Ok maybe she will waste a little more time just a bit' But she's likely resentful that she wasn't able to trap a player and make him commit So you are dealing with baggage A lot of the shit tests she'll throw at you are things she's been cooking for years on how to deal with the next player that she wants to fuck Yeah you read that well If she wanted a beta she wouldn't be coming to the park for you There were less player guys at the party She picked the most player one Now she's giving you shit Female psychology So - the only thing you can do is keep being a player, and hope that her layers of bullshit are thin and not deep The absurdity that she's been 'burned' aka wasnt able to trap a player, so she's been cooking for years what's the best way to trap one But she still goes for the player and not the beta guy The only reason she's dealing with you AT ALL is that you're a player If she didn't like that aspect - there were other guys at that meetup, and other guys in her life So she is with you BECAUSE you give the player vibes Then she gives you shit about it If you scale it down 'hey Im not a player' what she perceives is you're a pussy boy So you lose If you put it on her face YES Im a player With a younger girl that' be enough to bang her With a burned 31 year old, she'd be like 'fuck Im not going to be able to keep this one either, I suck' and lose her

8:52 AM

So ======= Here's the best play for all of them, young or old ============= Me: Pst of course not, Im a virgin Me: I'd never do that kind of stuff

Me: Of course not, you are the only girl I have EVER liked Me: Hey I know I look like a casanova and talk like a casanova but it's not my fault that girls find me irisistible Me: I think it's my humility Me: Or maybe it's my huge cock ============= Etc The actual lines depend on the situation The more young the more the girl is acting on pure lust The more she's primal and looking for the topper guy she can bang ======= Her: Are you a player Me: What do you mean "a player"? Me: I am THE player baby ======= That gets you the horny girl Another way to deal with it, also depending on the girl

8:52 AM

Another way to deal with it, also depending on the girl ======= Her: Are you a player Me: That's why you like me ;-) Her: Is this how you treat all the girls Me: That's why you find me irisistible ======= So while these are perfect for specific type girls, the "of course NOT what do you mean?" playing stupid. "What, Im a virgin!" type roleplay works universally. It makes fun of her framing as a judge, plus leaving it open. It doesn't specifically gives her the answer, so you're refusing to qualify to her. Then you make out with her and grab her pussy So you touch the wall then move for the opening again If the girl is a 31 burned woman who wants a beta in a player, well that thing doesn't exist so all may lead to nothing (edited)

======================== Just came back from going out and nothing happened. This is shit frame. Let's replace 'nothing happened' with 'I didn't like the girls so I didn't move forward' or 'I didn't make things happen' or 'I tried to make things happen but X stopped me' or 'I flirted with a girl I liked but then she rejected me for X reason'. You need to be the driving force (and you are already) just that you're not going for what you want, and I can tell that already by how you are framing the event, as is things happen or not happen on their own. Things are not supposed to happen, you're supposed to make them happen. Then you can have a story to learn from about how you tried to make things happen and what troubles you found on the way. In contrast 'nothing happened' is like you are expecting to do nothing and win the lottery. Not how this works.

================== She was literally out of reach and barricaded with people around her. Me: (from the outside group) Hey! Her: (looks at me) Me: You, can you come a second Her: What for? Me: Come Her: (comes) Me: You're the cutest girl here Her: Oh thanks (blushes) Me: Im Yohami, what's your name Her: (name) Me: (tease) Her: hahaha (edited)

10:24 AM

============== Ping to initiate interaction, then tease, then reward or punish =============

========================= Girls are not individual they are groupal When every other girl also wants you she wants you x10 When every other girl doesn't like you she stops liking you too This is 50% of female sex drive btw How they perceive you with other girls That's why they all end up lusting for the same few guys Their whole thing is about finding the king And it's not something they do on their own, they do so through consensus When all the girls are in the presence of Bieber they all scream Their collective scream is the signal to each other that they are in alignment in their judgement "this is the guy" Men don't do this Girls gather to talk about guys and all they do is judge and normalize each other opinions about things So This is why when a girl sees you that you have success with other girls she wants you This is the whole 'preselection' thing If you're a winner who has plenty of pussy then she has no other option but to want you, and badly

================ The basic problem here With top / bottom And the paradox of game Is that when bottom wants something - the way to get it is to request it from the top frame, with supplication, or as a transaction Qualifying to it So when you want something from bottom frame you slave to it Say, you want to become a tennis superstar - you slave to it and become bottom for it and work and let go of other stuff and that becomes the mission And the feedback from your path affects you deeply Win = glory, loss = tragedy THAT DOESNT APPLY TO COURTSHIP To deal with women, you must be at the top and they at your bottom When you are at the top frame and you want something, you take it Because it's yours Just like the boss of your company can come to your office and take the computer away Or your job or salary No fucks given Or can be generous Can set you good or bad milestones to match While you in that dance (employee) focus on pleasing the boss and doing the job properly so you're evaluated in a way that guarantees you keep the relationship alive Opposite frames So the point with the paradox of game 'not giving a fuck' when the whole thing of you learning game is giving a fuck You want to bang the girl but you can only do so when you don't care if you do Ohh! paradox! It's not a paradox It's frame The frame changes everything ========== The proper frame is: you've got a million bucks on your pocket, and are out looking for a sport cars to buy and drive. Which one will you pick? The wrong frame is: you've got a job interview in a prestigious firm that has a dream job, you want that thing badly! what will they ask you? what to do if they mention X? (edited)

=============================== When you are in top frame and want something, then you can focus on how to get it, how to win It's you vs the thing Or you and the thing It's like a competitive sport In contrast, when you are in bottom frame and want something, your focus is in asking for permission, trying to please, etc, the dynamics is always stablished as you doing something for someone so they give you what you want. You're powerless and at the mercy of someone else who can give you what you want. It's not you in command, but you in relationship to a commander. So you want to 'impress' and don't want to 'fuck up'

============== Your job is to make all the bitches horny All the time Doesn't matter who Make every woman horny All ages and characteristics Making bitches horny is who you are You don't discriminate Hey hello bitch? oh I see you want some dick now! Hahah my dick is busy bitch! maybe next life! The issue that another guy could come and bang a horny bitch THAT IS HER LOSS Oh she could have you but she went with tyler LOL girls have no standards That's gonna hurt in the morning But what Tyler and co are saying is that the alpha male gets the girl, not the worked The guy who was trying to make her horny "ALL NIGHT" didn't pull the plug Didnt close It's a beta That's a guy working to get her ready - not alpha, not a leader. She's horny and available and he doesn't take her, someone will So yes, make the bitch horny Make her touch herself all night All of them and all the time (edited)

2:34 PM

=============== You need a feedback loop of top guy so you can properly operate as top guy But as a top you you are the INITIATOR of the loop Not the CONSEQUENCE of the loop

============== You can lead to anything you want, as long as it's compatible with what she wants

8:56 PM

============== "Tyler talks about how girls are always trying to derail the seduction." hey are both helping and sabbotaging it They are testing for top / bottom But they are also HELPING

=================== Frame control is the opposite to frame clash And dominance is similar to frame control but not really Frame control: you stay on your frame and remain unreactive to her attempts to frame things in a different way Dominance: You initiate action, lead, and expect compliance. So this is several levels ahead of 'frame control', it implies she will just follow your frame. From here you reward / punish, it's an active role Frame Clash: When you react to her frame and go for a mud fight on her own level A simple example Her: We're going to be just friends FRAME CLASH Me: What? I dont want to be friends! FRAME CONTROL Me: Only if we're friends with benefits DOMINANCE Me: Best friends, come here Predictably the dominant guy fucks them all While the frame control guy fucks them after his frame wins While the frame clash guy just keeps fighting In the context of doors vs openings - The dominant guy pushes away or ignores the wall and takes the opening The frame control guy wont a play a game with a frame he's not controlling, so there'll be some forceful interaction with the wall most likely until she concedes The frame clash guy will fight to death with the wall and then find something else to fight about, never crossing the door

================ 1) Status 2) Looks 3) Personality (top guy hierarchy / then quirks) It's not one or the other It's contextual The way the game is rigged is this You have the better looking body because your competence is superior, you beat the other males, that makes you climb the hierarchy which gives you status, and as a result you live in abundance and detached, with plenty of dominance and sense of humor = personality So it's not one vs the other The reason the status is 1) is only because that's where the girls are going to gravitate towards The best schools, the best jobs, the best clubs, the vips, the whatever most select bullshit, ONLY because that's where the higher status men are ONCE they are there, then they look around and look for the most handsome ones To these they go to screen first, and expose their virtues (feminitiy etc) to see how the guy hits on them, and see if he has the personality If the 3 things are in range, she wants him Unless there are other similarly handsome / high status / charismatic men around, then she HAS / NEEDS TO screen them all first And this is EVERY FUCKING WOMAN Well 99% SO When you have STATUS / LOOKS / DOMINANCE That's 99% of women who find you very very attractive And they have NO SAY WHATSOEVER about it

============ Theory will do shit for you You need an actual personality change For that you need a real life feedback loop

=================================== For BLUEVALENTINE Yohami *NOWWAToday at 7:35 AM Here's the dissecting of the frame, but first this is what women want, and there's nothing you can do to fight it(edited) Women want the men who are above them, the higher they can get to the top 1% of men, and everything about these men is arousing For these men - women want to compete each other, these men they want to service, and be fucked by, and all they do all day long is try to somehow climb their tribes to have access to these men Then GAME as it was created, it's about emulating the attributes of the top 1% men to be more attractive to women Which is the blessing and the curse. The blessing because it studies reality. The curse because it's focused on EMULATING instead of TRANSFORMING YOU. As long as you're emulating, you're at your core, not a 1% man, but a common guy, trying to increase your attractiveness with tricks Which is not what women want, so at the base, they don't want 'you' Which devolves into a ton of shit So here's me dissecting your two frames ==================

8:16 AM

I never viewed myself as tricking women at all. Ok, so you honestly believe you're providing a good value and you don't view it as a trick The issue is that your map is wrong, so your act becomes a trick, you'll see why below I grew up severely handicapped Omega origins, no shame there So the first frame I had and still have in Game is this: I am a great guy. Someone who is a good choice for the girl. This is you qualifying to the girl. You are a seller. "Hey these are my virtues Im a good catch". In humans, your virtues are displayed when you compete with other men and girls see you in action, your virtues are displayed by your ability to climb the hierarchy. She needs to see your virtues functioning. When she doesn't see them functioning, then she throws obstacles at you to see how you manage solving these problems and dealing with obstacles (shit test). The way of dealing with women's drama successfully requires the skills that you also need to win at life. So all the girl is doing when shit testing is checking if you have the skills to be the winner you're selling yourself to be, or, if you're indeed a top man, if you are above or below her. In the male / female dance, the job of the girl is to be the seller. She is selling her body, fertility, availability, compliance, caring, etc to the top men, they display all these attributes in public to attract the attention of the top men. Women are sellers of compliance and hunters of top seed. Women are chasers. This is why when you part from a selling perspective yourself, you're doing feminine frame, positioning yourself below the girls in the value pyramid. Or, they are looking to the top, you position below them yourself, they cannot see you. (edited)

8:18 AM

Women are different from men. They enjoy different things, like soap operas etc. So a big part of Game is to give girls a fun experience so they choose to be with me rather than some other great guy. This is the basic misconception. The soap opera in the life of women is in all the drama that results in competing with other women for the attention of the top men, and then juggling the different men available if they manage to be able to attract more than one viable candidate. That's the drama. You are never the 'provider' of that. They can do that on their own. Drama is feminine. You become a CENTER ACTOR of the drama inevitably when she wants you and there are more women she has to compete with or there are another few guys with similar value and she doesn't know what to do. But the reason she's including you in that play is not the drama itself. The reason is that she sees you as a top man. That's what triggers the desire, than then devolves / evolves in drama. Drama is not the objective. Semen is. Women want great experiences - yes. Now, what defines if an experience is great or not, is the quality of the MAN they are having it with. Buying groceries with an alpha man is more memorable and enjoyable than a honey moon in france with a beta. You already know this. The beta can try to spice it up with drama - but if he's still a beta, the groceries shopping alpha still wins.

8:18 AM

I don't assume I "deserve" women. I view it that as long as I provide them with the value they want, they will stay. If I stop, they'll go find it somewhere else. Like all human beings do. The misconception fucks this up. The value they want is not your service as an 'experiences provider' The value they want is your presence as a top man. Their experience is the byproduct of you interacting with them from a top man position. Their fantastic experience is the result of the friction generated by your top guy dick in their very much compliant pussy as you go about pleasing yourself and you going about your own enjoyment of her body and company. This is not a service - and you can't do it as a service.

8:18 AM

When you frame it as a service "I provide great experiences for women" and with your seller perspective "Im a great guy and I have a lot of offer" and then follow it up with "if I stop they just leave me" this effectively means you have, at your core, ZERO VALUE and you see yourself as disposable in the interaction. You view your own value in the interaction as the WORK that you put into it, and not the value in WHO YOU ARE Because women are instead looking for someone who has the INTRINSIC VALUE, all the emphasis you put in putting the value as a SERVICE, makes it a 'trick'. This is how you are, 'tricking women' From the female perspective, you're "tricking women" into making them think that you are a man of intrinsic value, by attempting to make them have the 'experience' that they would have with one, by doing techniques and pressing their buttons So every time they sense this, they will try to make the game more complicated and throw shit at you, to the point where you'd be forced to actually have the SKILLS that belong to the top guy world Or you firmly grasp your place below them so you're just a worker pleaser bottom frame guy then they can use you for their own needs but never see you as the man they want to be with See it?

8:19 AM

Frame #2 is I learn and use Game to understand the fun experience women want, and to give it to them. The experience they want is being with a top man. A top man doesn't go wondering what's the fun experience women want so he can give it to them so they don't pick another guy and leave him. This is the 'game paradox'. And it's a paradox because of the frame. You can't do Top Guy as a service.

8:19 AM

So I am communicating my solid value, and making the experience fun to the girl. You're putting your own value in your actions and not your being. So you're a worker. In the value pyramid, you're putting yourself at the bottom, and looking up to the woman as someone you service. So you're telling her "IM UNATTRACTIVE" If you pair this with your actual belief that you have value, then you naturally go into frame clash every time. Imagine the confusion Me: Hey hi, Im a top man Her: Oh hey handsome Me: Tell me how I can service you today madam Her: Oh what I thought you were a top man Me: I am! Im the best Her: Oh cool! Me: So Im waiting for your orders. What would be your commands for me now madam? Her: mm ew Her: Why dont you show some leadership Me: Im the best leader! Her: Great! Me: Im waiting for your orders on how to lead you properly This doesn't work (edited)

8:24 AM

I never viewed myself as a piece of shit inside who doesn't deserve the girl and is tricking them into giving me access to their pussy. Yet you view your value as something you need to do on her and if you don't service her she'd go for another man. So she's never with you for YOU. And this is the game YOU ARE OFFERING THEM before they even have a say on it. This is you: Hello! any cute girl I can service? any girl who would be with me for the fantastic experience I provide? I know that none of you would be with me for me, but hey Im willing to put in the work, anybody? oh hello girl you're cute how can I service you today? Ok bitch suck my dick, oh was that too rough? do you want icecream or something? The game you're proposing is broken, aka, this is not it.

8:24 AM

So why would my frames be bad? Because it places you under the girl

8:25 AM

I know it is different from the Top Guy frame where all women want him just because he is him, all he does triggers great emotions, and he is superior to the girls and all they live for it to serve him and please And that's why it's bad If you had the freedom to choose below or above them, if it was 100% in your control to be the chaser or the chaser, which one would you pick?

============================== is it not an irony that the feedback loop is based on success and without success one cannot establish success? Not at all You're not supposed to be a top guy BECAUSE OF WOMEN You're supposed to be a top guy because you're the real deal and you're cruising, and no bitch can take anything away from you

======================= Philander: TOP GUY not a lot of work over a long time, it's a switch in your mind. It's a switch on your mind. Then you're faced with a life-feedback-loop that is incompatible with your new mind, so you change your life. Changing your life is work (and should be) You can also change your life to help the switch on your mind, this is easier and its what I advice Start by cutting out all the bottom frame bullshit, games, people, ties, burn the house down, give yourself more than you deserve Treating yourself like you're the top guy helps you let go of the bad frame

10:05 AM

My inner belief is that if it's not hard long work than it will at least hurt a lot but I guess Yohami would say nope to that too. The bottom frame guy cannot do or survive the things and life situations of the top guy frame so he anticipates long gaps and climbs and pain and bullshit. But this is like a movie. You just had a break up. Now, roleplay that same breakup from two points of view A) I deeply care about her! I only wish she'd do a little better but I gave her sooo many opportunities and she kept on hurting me :(:(. Plus I don't fully trust her. Man but the good tender feelings! the memories. Fuck. I don't want to hurt her... how to do this right? maybe it's not her fault maybe it's me. Me and my inadequacy. Did I fail her? Oh man now she's going to cry. Fucking sad. Is this the right thing to do? Should I give it another go? maybe she is THE ONE and Im too stupid to see it? why do I keep ruining the good things? will I ever find another girl like this? here it goes... I need to explain her exactly what's up. I hope she doesn't hate me.... this is going to be rough... Im shaking and feel like crying. Again. B) Plenty of better things to do to be wasting time with this one. Bye girl, you blew it. ============ Same event, different frame. What hurts you more? Which frame helps you more in life? which makes you do better at life? which guides you to make better choices? Which frame is more attractive to women? If the bottom frame would have to be doing all the choices and be always the driving force and directive for everything that happens in your life, then the bottom frame would FREAK OUT IN AGONY. But this isn't about making the bottom frame more responsible and give it more power and then put it in the spot where it gets all the blame for everything It's about switching frames, switching the space where you operate (edited)

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10:16 AM

she leads with her request and attaches a condition to sex and his line is not rejecting that straight away but rather avoiding the topic While a girl is screening you, usually she sends you her line is a combination of openings and walls. The opening is that she's interested in you, the wall is the conditions. Usually the major wall is that she's putting herself as the judge and arbiter of the interaction. The rule to solve this is to go for the openings and punish / push back / set aside the wall. The top guy way to solve this is to take the opening and be frictionless, WHILE pushing her authority aside. The bottom guy to go about this is to ignore the opening and go for the wall, trying to smash it / trying to go through it. The only instance where it's ok to just focus on the wall is when there's not an opening - when the girl gives you nothing but a wall and wants to see how you deal with it. In these instances you can just neg her, or ignore the wall and put a new opening, or you can push her away and send her wall back to her. NOW LOOK ========= Her: If it is a proper dinner with drinks, then my answer would be ok. Her: But when u say, "lets get a drink", I am kind of feeling that u r asking smt else ;) ========= In the case above the wall is minimal, she's just roleplaying a judge. That'd be 25% of the text. You can ignore it Me: We'll see when you come back That works to ignore it, Luc sent something similar. Alternatives (edited)

10:17 AM

Me: Leave it on me you'll be fine This assumes she's fully compliance and taking the leadership, asking that she lets go of the hold. This can mean you ignore her dinner request, or take her to eat somewhere that is beneficial for you and sets the date in a sexual non beta way. Can be eating something in a romantic place near home, or hot dogs on the street, or just the nuts on the bar where you drink the beer, or food at home, it all depends on what suits(edited) Me: Let's do Ramen and wine Here Im taking her 'dinner' request and turning it into taking her home and banging her Me: Cook for me Same deal with more dominance

10:18 AM

And then this would be shit game for this particular interaction Me: You'll get ME. Don't be so greedy Look at her lines again. The wall she set are the conditions. She would be saying yes to dinner which means potentially sex too, but she hasn't said yes to sex, it's in the innuendo. However in her whole approach she seems to be 75% yes and 25% maybe. The big NO of her attitude is the percentage of judgement that she's throwing your way. That judge persona needs to be defused, because you are the judge, not her. Her jurisdiction is below yours. So this is how the line is shit game Me: You'll get ME This means a million things. "You get ME" means that you're fully yes and not a maybe. You're offering yourself wholly and putting yourself on the plate for her to take. So you are effectively qualifying to her. You already said YES to a girl who is in MAYBE, so you're not screening her. I know that this comes from an affirmation of "I have value" but - that is a given. This interaction is not about you trying to get her to accept you have value. That request is inherently bottom frame. OF COURSE you have more value. The question is IS SHE WORTH IT. Second, by saying "you get me" you are putting her on the spot making this interaction 100% about sex, so a positive reaction from her means she just said yes to sex. That is TWO strikes. The third one makes it worse Don't be greedy That's a neg but in softer form. In stronger form is just to call her greedy (which is better)

10:18 AM

This approach is 100% going for frame clash against a girl that is 75% yes and 25% maybe. The focus on her wall, and negging her turns this interaction exclusively about the wall. There was an opening, of the size of a big house, and you went steering at full force against a single obstacle that was not even on the way. In the process you made it about she judging you more, and putting her on the spot, while negging her. Take the openings man. Only go for the walls when walls is all there is. Here are some cases where your type line would work Her: What's in it for me? Me: Me, if you behave Now with the greedy - thinking about it, greedy is a punishing for she WANTING stuff. Wanting stuff is positive. So using greedy applies better as a mini roleplay instead of a neg Her: I want more than casual sex Me: You're greedy ;-) Then you bang her well Her: I want that you stop seeing other girls Me: Slow down greedy girl

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12:24 PM

=============== You stop a girl on the street - because you want to bang her She stops and talks with you and gives you her # when you ask - because she wants you to bang her Time passes and you ping her - because you want to bang her She replies to your ping - because she wants to be banged ===============(edited) Or in other words, there's nothing going on but sexual courtship Now, it is a COURTSHIP That means there's a game being played It doesn't mean you can just tell her "lets fuck" But the baseline, is that there's an implicit agreement between you and her that you're both in a sexual courtship and leading towards sex That is implicit If you send "hi" she thinks "he wants to fuck me" If you send "Im going for a walk on the park" she thinks "he wants me to meet him there" If you send "what are you doing" she thinks "he wants me to meet him now" If you send "I like tequila" she thinks "he wants to have drunk sex with me" Because there's nothing going on, other than sexual courtship Likewise if she sends "I like running" she's telling you she's sporty and that leads to sex somehow She says "Im going to the park in the afternoon" it means "meet me there" She says "I was close to your home" it means "You could have fucked me"

1 THERES NOTHING ELSE GOING ON Now for the actual courtship(edited) What the girl does is give the guy a set of opportunities and walls and see how the guy reacts, does he place himself above or below her, what are the traits he exposes to her and the world. And what the guy does is poking her here and there and looking for compliance and if she meets his standards and if she's fully compliant The result of that frictions arouses you both In your case it makes you hard and decisive and more leading In her case it makes her softer - walls come down, openings get wet This is also how 'smashing her walls' and going for her resistance is like looking for her harder part, like you're looking for a dick to sword fight

================= So any guy starting, could just start doing whats proper, and be banging 4 girls a month while being mostly clueless(edited) And then bang 2 girls a week, or, one girl every time he goes out In 2 months of doing game So when I see the statistics for Daygame and other stuff 1000 approaches! talk to 200 girls, date 50, fuck 2 WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT I can't conceive it You're going to put the time into 200 approaches and 50 dates That's TIME and WORK Why not put the work into fixing whatever the fuck is wrong with you, so you can fuck 45 of the 50 girls you took to dates? Because 48 of them were very clear in that they didn't like SOMETHING Did you pay attention to that feedback? WHat is what you are not seeing? ================= (edited)

========================== Are you her subordinate or her boss? What type of behavior are you using Are you a guy trying to sell her something Or are you a costumer and she's trying to sell you something? Who's moving who? Are you excercising what you want or are you a passenger in her party trying to play nice and deserve a spot Are you the owner of the space or a guest All the same duality role I already know the answer - these questions above is what you have to ask yourself, now and in the moment(edited) So you can put the focus where it needs to be We're you the seductor mode suave guy talking slow and the girls coming into your reality and wanting to touch you Or where they something you wanted and you were fighting to get into? Were you the center of attraction? Or where they the center of attraction? Were you the guy at the peak of a mountain and the girls are admiring you up there and showing you their goods and fertility so you give them some attention? Or where the girls at the top of a mountain and you were at the base asking yourself how to get them and displaying your attributes and playing their games so they give you a chance? View it as a binary first After you understand the binary you can understand the shades of it ===================

The truth is that 99% of the time the girl will just follow your lead If you are in position, and dominant And acting on what you want 99% success rate So When you had the cute but silent girl You didn't act on what you want So you're not leading Instead you are in the presence of something that you want, but not doing anything to get to where you want SO you're 'kicking around the bush' and just being there expecting some magic to happen But not actively pursuing it Not the girl - pursuing your own interest Leadership - how you exec your dominance on her and the people you interact with, from a higher slab on the position, with the intent of getting what you want This manifests in you

Telling other people what to do
Rewarding the things you like
Punishing unwanted behavior from others
Having a self-worth that is unchained to the opinion of others (you're above them)
Acting on the opportunities and windows, because you know what you want and where you're going so you see what brings you closer ============

=========== Sex is on your mind But it's not manifesting Therefore it's not happening Why is it not manifesting? Because you're not acting on it Why? Because you don't see the path to act on it Why? Because of positioning How exactly? Because you're placing yourself under the girls, therefore you are asking THEM to make the moves or show you the path ahead As opposed to you guiding them and making things happen AKA passenger You're like a kid who wants an icecream and is asking mummy can I please get one No power whatsoever other than your desire, that you're not even expressing so you don't risk being punished for it So you have your 'muffled' desire and then you kick around the bush wondering what's next You don't initiate the sex You dont openly flirt with the girl You don't take her places You don't either challenge her fake authority You don't put her on her place when she misbehaves And likewise, you don't take on the openings Because all the drive that you would have to make things happen, tell her what to do, direct the course, aka "LEAD" is suffocated It's being suffocated by your lack of positioning You can't boss around your boss So you dont act On your own desire That

================== If you're a man dealing with a sport or something you tweak and change things and nature is not rigged against you, it's just obeying physics So the feedback loop is actually based on what you're doing You can adapt what you're doing The actual physics is independent on your self belief and state You think you're a loser - but you throw that ball properly or you train properly, muscles grow, the ball goes through the hoop, you score The same is true with women if you're learning this stuff up till this point Now - when you make the results validate your path or training In the case of inanimate objects they still dont care But women - do When a woman perceives that getting the bang means something to you and validates you in some way, then the bang wont happen The girl is not there checking if you know how to pull the moves The girl is checking who you 'are' At a base level, a girl will follow any lead that comes from a man who seems confident and doesn't need self reassurance and is not looking at her for guidance and is just going forward with confidence like everything is a given Girls tendency is to follow THAT When the guy is coming with a feedback loop where he needs the result to THEN validate what he's doing, the girls are wired to AVOID THAT like the plague. So the more you are using the bang to validate your path or your change or your actions or your self esteem or ANYTHING, ANYTHING that you are using her to validate on, is something she will SHIT ON to destroy you, to make you go away(edited) So, BECAUSE you use the bang to validate your path, you can NEVER get it validate your path You could be repeating the same experience and getting some bang but then the whole thing explodes and you're back at zero and girls keep giving you shit Why? because you're making them part of the validation process So with girls - the objective is to be top guy at all times

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If doing top guy means you don't bang them - that's still a win If you bang them while being bottom guy - that's a failure Then the danger with using the successes to validate what you're doing is the getting lucky thing and numbers game Go out enough and get some results - then using the results to assume that's how it is and everything is fine That's how gamers end up with 1 in 100 statistics Want more sex? open more sets! ignore the feedback of 99 girls telling you something is wrong. Just do more.

================+ Now about Daygame - the reason it's shit goes like this 1) You're going after women at the moment when they are LESS open for sex 2) You are going after women with no context for your persona so you need to build the whole thing in front of her eyes and get her to experience your value from scratch (so this is the lowest you can ever possibly be) 3) The reason you are choosing this path is because you are afraid of approaching the same girl when she's open to sex because of competition, AND you have not any real tangible value around you so you don't actually have women pinning for you. This point 3 is what renders you an idiot, because: 4) IF you had the dominance and charisma to be able to pick up girls when they are open for sex, AND had a social value tangible enough that you normally get girls automatically interested on you, THEN you would have the skills to go after women, at day or whatever, when they are not open for sex, and make them open to sex with you, BECAUSE you can show them quickly that you are the kind of men they would fuck. Or, the reason your'e doing Daygame is you don't think you're the kind of men they would fuck otherwise. You're injecting so much bullshit in the process, you can't win it Then this is why Daygame sucks for learning 1) To learn Game you need to emulate properly (or become) the type of guy who bangs women and women find attractive. Hey surprise, attractive guys don't chase women to get their numbers and don't have a funnel, so right from the start you've got your ideas wrong

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2) To learn Game you need to get past the whole initial hi and chit chat and arouse the girl. In daygame you rarely go that far as it's designed to end when you get the # of the girl. So more than Game you're actually doing phone farming, as if phone numbers had any value. But you don't actually get into the interaction, and you have no context (because the girl was not open for sex due to the setup) so you dont know where you are in the interaction. OR, you can do the same thing 1000 times and get rejected, but that type interaction doesn't tell you WHY. Then you don't have the chance to see that same girl who rejected you go for another man, you don't get to see her open, giggling, you don't get to say the man she said YES to, you have no comparison, you're in the dark

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3) The whole setup if doing 100 approaches to get 10 dates to bang one means you're doing number game and you have no idea of what's going on. You're playing lottery. It's not you actually fucking the girls. Your'e just selling a product (quick sex) and some will buy it. Not enough buyers? do more sets. So this ceases to be GAME, you're not imitating or learning from guys who can get sex without any of this bullshit, what you're doing is desperate sexual spamming and repeat the same crap till you get lucky. This is insanity. (edited)

============= Look The very hot girl is not simply hot, she is selling If you go to a ferrati exhibition and theres a car you really like Are you able to enjoy its presence and ask for a ride? Lets say you have a million bucks on your pocket but have no rush on spending it(edited) Do you get crushed by the ferrari? Do you ask the ferrari: what could I ever do so you let me drive you Hot girls are sellers So what are they selling? that question is you screening Sure lots of polish but whats hiding? Do you just buy whatever shines? The top guy is the man all women are selling for When a girl likes you, she sells You know sales right? Go back in your mind and identify all the things girls do to Inflate their value so they get more out of the transaction And adjust the deal to the guy they are trying to catch Lying Playing games etc Women are sellers not buyers / or are service providers not clients / or followers not leaders

======================== FREAK VS ARCHETYPE and other stuff Each person is a 'freak' in that it's unique Everyone is unique But being unique doesn't work - we need to mold to society and others The direction where you mold to is not arbitrary, you end up allocated in archetypes The archetypes are older than the games and civilizations we build The games and civilizations rely on the archetypes - archetypes are the predefined slots and pillars that sustent the whole thing So - the less you are in an archetype, the more unique you are, the more 'freak' The 'freak' is everything that makes you that is not trying to fit somewhere We trade off the freak for the archetype in order to get the things that we need for the survival, or, we exchange who we are for what we have to be In the process we lose the happiness Because happiness = getting what you need and doing what you want "What you want" disappears when you're trying to fit in, it goes under "who you are" disappears when you're trying to fit in, it goes under Now - There are layers and levels of archetypes and in the hierarchy, some are below and some are on top The upper slots in the hierarchy dictate the rules for the ones below The more up in the hierarchy the more you can actually 'be who you are' because you're not trying to please the slots above you(edited) This is why the higher you go in the hierarchy the more 'selfish' behavior you encounter - the freak takes ownership and 'wants what it wants' While the slots under it first need to please the slots above them so they can get some crumbs in exchange

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Top slot (top guy) = This is what I want Bottom slot (bottom guy) = what do I have to do for you so I get what I want (ish)(edited) So - the freak is the total sum of you, then you have a social persona, and then you have an archetype, that becomes your frame and base POV where the you is located and it dictates the rules of how you operate in the world NOW All men come with an amount of drive and the objective is to climb that hierarchy You can climb that hierarchy by becoming the bottom slot to more powerful people and servicing a bigger master every time Or you can climb it by fighting with the bigger boss you can at each level to become the new top slot at time and space When a man wants to fight but can't (logistics, money, resources etc) that leads to criminal behavior and such, the guy acts out of hierarchy and rebels against the whole thing Another variant is a guy that doesn't want to trade the freak (who he really i) for the hierarchy or sees himself at the top but can't get there That guy usually builds a world of fantasy where he's the boss and then avoids contact with the hierarchy so his idealization of himself doesn't get questioned (this was me to an extent, BlueValentine is a perfect example of this one) Then you have guys who see the upper slot they want to be on, and have the resources and capabilities to do so and dedicate to the fight and become superstars (the natural top guys) And then - there are others that do the fight at a great expense and sacrifice most things just to get to the slot, so they can go back to being themselves later (That'd be Luc) And then some don't even bother

============== You're going to be actually "trying", when: Instead of asking "how can I get her" you ask "how can I be top guy here" That's the switch "how can I be top guy here" + "what do I want" This is also how this is more encompassing than just seduction, and why it has to be always ON =============== (edited)

The freak is "you like banana with chocolate and scary movies" The stuff that nobody gives a fuck about Until they are your parents, or your loved ones, or you're a celebrity Or you impose these preferences in other people The 'freak list' is the laundry list the girls try to filter you with It's also how every girl is different But it's also the first casualty when screening because what matters is the archetype - the girl wants the top guy and the man wants the hot compliant woman Once the archetype is met then the freak stuff comes to the front again This is also why TG passes all the shit tests The girl can come up with elaborated laundry lists shit tests "The man that I want must be a fan of Vanilla Ice" and the same "bitch, please" from TG will suffice Unless TG is actually a fan, then "yeah he's cool" also suffices While bottom frame will try to match up that by actually becoming a fan - and in doing so, playing the bottom frame - so the freak can match 100% and you can be doing all the girl tells, from the bottom of her heart (freak) actually needs But if the archetype is not there the needs are not met Even though you are not the archetype - the archetype is the frame that filters the rest First the man needs to be top guy then he can be himself First the woman must be hot and compliant, then she can be herself Failure to meet the archetype = randomized madness = broken personality ================

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8:14 AM

but how do I give her "the guy" who is me where before I was me and she saw zero value A recap will tell you. What is she doing? What she's doing is looking for top guy. When she sees a guy that qualifies in status / looks she screens him. How does she screen him? she gives him opportunities and walls. A top guy would know how to act on the opportunities and would lead there, while a bottom guy would get confused, crash on the walls or mix all up or ask for guidance or get lost. The walls are the trap for the bottom guy, the opportunities are the bait for the top guy. Sometimes she'll also disguise a trap as an opportunity, she will give the opportunity to CHASE, meaning she will say NO then add 'but you can keep trying' like when the cute girl didn't give you her number but told you that IF you were able to find her online then you could talk to her. Anyway: She screens you, and depending on how you act, she either finds you top guy or bottom guy. If she finds you top guy she offers more opportunities and less walls, if she finds you bottom guy she gives you more walls and less opportunities. If you do a solid top guy behavior that stimulates her clit directly (ping) and she becomes a YES instantly, and if you do a solid bottom guy behavior she experiences gut disgust and sets a hard WALL and becomes a NO girl instantly. And this can always switch back again! now imagine her arousal is a ladder and she's always in the middle of a YES and a NO. When she experiences what she wants (the top guy) she tends towards yes and viceversa. When a girl is screening you and you're acting with a mix of top and bottom, she screens many thing to see if she can satiate her needs with you. So this screening, on her part will last for as long as she needs to be sure, or, this either ends with her being fully aroused / interested, or with her being fully non aroused / non interested. (edited)

8:15 AM

So - In this case with this girl. Basically you butchered it before, you went for walls, you didn't focus on arousing her etc, and you made her non-interested. What you were doing at the same time however was acting 'top guy' on the room which makes all the girls want to come to screen you, but then if you don't actually engage with the girls and their screening process, your room top-guy act will lead nowhere. What you're doing with the room top guy act is getting first into the cue to be screened. All the girls will want to screen you first. Then what? Then you need to look at the girl and understand, see, feel the opportunities, and walls that the girl is giving you, and act accordingly: you take the opportunities, and ignore or push away the walls So she goes from Maybe to fully Yes But see all it takes is ONE solid top guy act on HER and she becomes a YES. Even if she had you at 0 already. This effect is the equivalent to what happens in you if you see a hot girl. Sure she wasn't hot the last time you saw her but man oh man you would sooo fuck her now! And if she becomes a smelly bitchy fattie all of a sudden you go back to not wanting her again (edited)

8:21 AM

so but how do I give her "the guy" who is me where before I was me and she saw zero value "the top guy who is you" Is you, yourself, acting like you if you were a dominant man and a winner and you wanted to fuck her and were unapologetic and NOT NEEDY about it, or, you if you had the confidence of brad pitt and clooney and the social dominance of whatever other guy and the uncaring chill of biever and the life experience of a rockstar and the solid aplomb of a CEO, or, YOU if you actually liked your life (lol) Because you didn't do so before she didn't find it in you When you do it, then she finds it in you Or, she's not looking for your freak, she's looking for an archetype first, freak second. She'll change her own shape to fit you if she finds an archetype strong enough. Or, your value is not in 'you' before you're able to fit the archetype Or, reversed, you don't care if the girl has a nice personality if she's not HOT first. First she needs to be hot, then you'll care about who she is in other areas The product you're offering them, the product they are looking for is not YOU - it's a TOP GUY YOU (edited)

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If you're going to engage with a wall, make sure you demolish it and you stomp over her boundaries If you're engaging with a wall, drop the flirting, you're punishing It's not about playing nice with the wall The wall is not your friend If you can avoid the wall, do so and just take the opening If you engage with the wall, destroy her HER Not the wall

==================== 1) What is arousal? Answer: The desire to have sex (edited)

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2) What triggers arousal in men? Being exposed to a feminine woman with health + youth + reproducible viability, plus she's signaling she's available by 'showing off' (skin, attributes) and is receptive to the guys advances (edited)

===== We have a list of things that trigger arousal The more checkboxes the more arousal The fewer checkboxes the less arousal ===== (edited)

============== How is receptiveness expressed? By wanting more instead of less By saying yes instead of no By going along instead of putting rejection By accepting instead of rejecting By making things easy instead of complicated By asking for more instead of asking for less By giving you more opportunities to get in instead of negating you opportunities and leaving you out

============= 3) What triggers sexual arousal in women? Being exposed to a masculine man with health + physical strength + reasonably older than her, who is displaying his 'superior genes' for all to see, and has a VERY confident + dominant personality (edited)

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====== girls don't process things on their own, they process 'the tribe' When they see a very hot guy they don't even look at the guy, they look at each other. They scream to each other Girls don't exist or feel in isolation Girls operate by consensus Example the girl may not think your'e funny until everyone else is laughing at your jokes Then suddenly she finds you hilarious The girl may not think you're such a badass until she sees how other people treat you The girls perception is not her own She perceives half and half through the tribe's consensus of you So how you deal with other people and how other people deal with just is as much as a factor of what she experiences from you directly In PUA they call this the 'preselection' Or 'fame game' But that's not it yet

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Leadership is that you set the destination on every instance Its SETTING THE DESTINATION New metaphor here For every little tribe there's a driver and a passenger The driver sets the destination and moves forward The passenger 'has their voice heard' The passenger has an opinion about the destination, complains or praises, but ultimately is being carried away What Im getting at here - When you have power you tell the other person what to do When you don't have power to communicate your feelings so the other person changes the destination This is why - in courtship, rapport and beta rapport is death It implies you're not in charge Me: It was a nice date last night Translation: guy is communicating his feelings so the girl synchronizes and takes the lead Me: I don't like what you're doing Translation: guy is communicating his feelings so the girl changes her behavior Me: we had an agreement and your'e breaking it Translation: guy is communicating that rules have been broken so the girls thinks about it and fixes it All of that is 'passing the power away'

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Here's the difference between 'swing your dick' and "act on her' Whatever you do on your own, the things you display etc, that's you showing your virtues etc in the open for her to admire So she and every other girl can watch you and desire you Now in the SEXUAL COURTSHIP It's about you + her You don't do things to 'demonstrate' that you can do things Read that line until it makes sense In the sexual courtship you don't do things to 'demonstrate' that you can do things The act of doing it like that, the 'demonstration' means you're making her the judge Just like that. you lost In the sexual courtship, you don't do things to 'demostrate' you can do them Instead, YOU ACTUALLY DO THE THINGS So it's not that you act leader so she can see you're a leader and then becomes compliant to your leadership No: You lead her directly Adding the 'demonstration' step here means you're asking for permission to lead "hey I a leader, can you be compliant please? then I will lead you too" Instead, you lead directly. What does this mean in real life?(edited) Things happen on your terms And you set the destination of every interaction with her And whatever you're doing with her satisfies the criteria of what you want(edited) It's not 'Hey Im a leader see me leading' + 'ok give me compliance now' It's 'Im a leader, this is what I want you to do" Its not a demonstration You're not doing it so she sees you doing it You're doing it so she follows

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============================ 4) What is the sexual courtship? It's a dance that happens between you + her Not you + the room, not you on your own, not even you 'on' her, but you WITH her Both man and woman are playing around to see if the other have what they want The woman is looking for dominance The man is looking for compliance The woman wants to see him leading The man wants to see her following The woman wants to see if he initiates The man wants to see if she is receptive

5) How does the girl do her part of the courtship? RESPONSE FROM LUC She does the screening. Testing the guy by giving openings and walls. She will judge and see what he guy does. She will command and see what the guy does. She will stonewall and see what the guy does. She will set traps (statement + wink) and see what guy does. She will drop some comment that can go either way and see what the guy does. She will tease the guy and see what he guy does She is trying to knock the guy down as a screening for dominance The leadership check is her leading things in a direction away from sex and seeing what the guy does. She can also say and do nothing and see what the guy does. The initiative check from the girl is similar in that she waits for the guy to make the move and initiate something. She can do nothing and see what the guy does For dominance, they guy most not be below her. He must be above her. She wants the guy to respond in a way that shows that he is above her For leadership, the girl is expecting that the guy take charge and lead her towards sex in making the moves in the discussion, in the interaction, in the escalation, in the logistics and then in actually fucking her For initiative, the girl is looking for the guy to actually make the moves themselves on his own without being prompted explicitly by the girl

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The dominance “check” can be done in many ways like purposefully pushing or pulling in various directions and trying to pull the guy along. If the guy is pulled along, minus points for the guy. If he remains a rock, plus points for the guy With the openings, the guy would move closer towards sex and when within reach actually fuck her. Moving closer towards sex would be getting her aroused and then when aroused escalating and then fucking her. This guy is not her friend and wants the sex and is going for it. The guy that takes the walls is trying to tease the girl by banging against walls and trying to get sex through rapport (yes me too, I like that). This bottom guy will continue to bounce his head on the walls or fail to arouse her to the point she stops interacting with him(edited) The bottom guy feels like he needs to solve a puzzle or small all resistance by breaking through walls to get to sex. The top guy navigates around or ignored them all together Bottom guy tries to escalate on the walls and break the walls thinking this is the way to fuck her

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====== RESPONSE FROM YOHAMI The girl will interact with the guy she's screening and play a number of games. The games can be won or lost. The game is won when the guy execs his dominance, initiative, confidence etc or 'shows top guy' and lost when the guy execs his submission, follower status, insecurity etc or 'shows bottom guy' The girl can frame the guy as a loser or a winner and see which role the guy goes for. The girl can frame the guy as a leader or a follower and see what the guy identifies himself with. The girl will give the guy hierarchy problems to solve and what where they guy places himself in the hierarchy. The girl will offer the guy easy openings and easy walls and what what the guy does with them. A top guy will interact with the openings and escalate there, take the easy wins, while punishing, pushing away the walls if needed; a bottom guy will just splat over the walls and be restrained by them while ignoring the openings. Most likely a bottom guy will just keep trying to come at her ingnoring that there's even a game being played, and get frustrated because things are too complicated (edited)

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The girl will also offer good behavior and bad behavior and expect to be rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior. If she is not rewarded for good behavior, then the guy cannot identify good behavior and therefore is not top guy, same with the punishment. When a guy rewards bad behavior, specially, a serious downspiral begins where she'll stick to that guy and abuse him till she kicks him out of the tribe. Whenever a game is won or lost, her arousal state changes. More top guy or more games won means she gets more aroused, and subsequent games are tilted towards 'easy wins' where the guy needs to do minimal effort, and more games lost means that subsequent games are tilted towards 'impossible' where the guy would have to come with some major top guy shit to recover. So in one extreme you have major arousal and no walls, and in the other extreme you have major turn off / disgust and full of walls.

2:12 PM

The courtship, from her side then is: play games giving bait for both top and bottom guy behaviors and watch the guy deciding what type of man he is while he's trying to get in and fuck her. The screening ends when she's made up her mind, and she'll screen again periodically depending on her mood and needs.

The beginning of each game starts by the girl becoming available so he makes a move. So this is called the 'opening'. It's an invitation to play. The girl makes herself available by bringing up a subject, or putting herself in situations where the guy can escalate, follows the guy around to have more him+me time, etc. Anything where the girl is making him easier for him to make moves, take initiative, dominate, escalate. (edited)

====================== I would like to have some model/skeleton how to do it, which step in which order. This is the kind of crutch that explains the 200:1 or 65:1 ratios from PUA/DG. If you have a structured step by step order it means you are doing solo dance, and you'll only pick up the girl when she's either randomly in sync with what you're doing (so you lose her shortly after because you still don't know what's going on), or when she likes you so she takes the lead and she's the one moving things ahead Imagine this is a tennis or a chess match - You can't go in like "Im going to open then shoot left then right then short then long" Or "Im going to open then move the horses to the sides then put the queen here then checkmate" What you need instead is 1) A deep understanding of the basic rules. Or, at a macro level, what is going on? 2) Insight on what are the different parts that happen within the game, what's a shit test, what's an opening, what's a wall, what's a trap, what's arousal, etc 3) Skill on the different communication games - rapport/break rapport, tease, flirt, roleplay, calltoaction, escalation, doubledowns, putdowns, passing judgement etc 4) A very strong and leading, dominant personality on your side so you can enter a new situation, understand what's going on, understand what you want out of it, and LEAD it in the direction what you want by doing the different communication games and taking them to the expected result After you've done one of these - an outsider observer could come in and slice it and come up with a structure of what happened, but that structure wont be repetable with another girl if done in the same order. This is where PUA breaks and how DG fails to make you good at the game. Seduction is organic and dynamic. Attempting to do it through a structured script means you're rejecting seduction itself. (edited)

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10:23 AM

Any ideas on why I am top frame when I don’t care whatsoever and bottom frame when I am looking for sex from a new girl? (edited)

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Yes, long answer first: We're in a big hierarchy and it pushes everyone into roles From school to work to everything That pressure is top to bottom It weights on you How do you fit there? by being its bottom(edited) This is why acting top is contra-intuitive Unless you're actually at the top of things in life Does that make sense? Or The reason why when you want something you go to bottom - it's because in your life, wanting things ellicits a strong conditional back Desire triggers walls I want that car - I don't have money I want that body - I don't have that body plus would require tons of time for body building I want that hot chick - she'll never pay attention to me I want to be the charismatic guy - nobody likes me that much I want to do what I want - I don't have freedom I want to tell my boss to fuck off - I need the job I hate my job - I need the money Etc Desire triggers walls There are specific situations where your desire can run - and people are unused to that so they become assholes immediately Becoming a client Becoming a customer Becoming a parent Becoming the partner in a relationship where you like the other one less (that's you now) Becoming the winner of a game Belonging to a winning team, political or otherwise Becoming famous for random reasons You bring someone to the top, all the bad shit is multiplied Has no skill attached to it That's also why 'jerk' is attractive, it's not the jerkiness it's the positioning And why "leadership" fixes this by tying positioning with skill The end result is what happens when you want something, but you can actually have it Example: you've got a million bucks and you're screening to buy an expensive car Or a billion dollars in your pocket It's: I want this, and it's not a problem Count the times that you've actually experienced that "I want this, and it's not a problem" That's in the top frame That's not where people live (edited)

Now the short answer Any ideas on why I am top frame when I don’t care whatsoever and bottom frame when I am looking for sex from a new girl? It's because when you don't care about the girl you see yourself above, and when you care you see yourself below Or: you see attractive girls above of yourself Or: when you see a girl you want you go play your usual game which is to place below her and supplicate Or: You feel you have no buying power with girls (edited)

========================= you need to switch to being the initiator And then from there be dominant You can't make it in passenger mode It wont 'happen to you' It must originate in you - then you'll get a feedback loop that helps making it solid It wont be 'the world gives you top guy frame so then you believe it' What the world and girls will do, forever Is give you BOTH stimuli, top and bottom As long as you're not filtering that, and you're still in bottom frame, the stimuli will trigger it So it can't originate from the outside You can go to favorable environments where you have more opportunities: TO YOU EXEC TOP FRAME But the world cant make you a dominant man It's the opposite road

===================== Ask yourself "what frame am I now" And "what would the toppest top guy would do now" If the answer is not what you're doing, change what you're doing Im going to add this as the major stone in my 'system' because without it there's no fucking chance I thought it was obvious but seems its not TRY The frame changes, when you TRY It needs to originate from you Ask yourself what is the top frame thing to do or say or feel, and do these Regardless of what feels natural for you in the moment (edited)

=================== A reminder - when you went out to bars and clubs on a non-expat adventure, you wanted to just 'deal with your anxiety'. I told you to bypass the anxiety and focus on the opportunities and fun. And just like that, the anxiety was gone The more you want to deal with the anxiety the more you make it happen Medicating it would make it worse Instead - try to focus on the other frame, the opportunities and the fun And the switch makes the anxiety go away Well - same here Same with girls same all the time When you feel yourself in 'bottom frame', anxiety, validating, passenger, follower, etc, stop that and focus on where you should be, leading, initiating, commanding, going towards what you want, etc(edited) That's the 'try' If you don't know what you should be doing, try to imagine it If you had all the power and you didn't give a fuck and nothing could hurt you and you were unrestrained - what would you do? Then DO THAT(edited) That's the 'try' The switch of frame needs to happen intentionally The world will validate you when you have it But the world can't just make it happen for you (edited)

Also if the above is unfamiliar - look for situations where you're contextual alpha so you're exposed to the role

=============== Short euristic: everything is about fucking Why? because you picked her up to bang her She said yes So there's nothing going on but sex

========================================= ========================================= 6) How is the courtship made from the POV of the male? . (edited)

8:18 AM

LUCRETIUS ANSWER if I think about it and try to come up with an answer, the guy would talk with the girl, then flirt and if she is receptive, talk some more and then escalate, if still receptive then take her home and fuck her this does fall into the parts of the courtship where the guy is looking for [1)compliance, 2)following and 3)receptiveness] from the girl thinking about this further, in my mind I have a sense that there is an interaction ongoing (a verbal interaction) where the guy and the girl are speaking about a whole range of things and from the guy POV, he must move the discussion around to find the things that cause the girl to 'react' and to reveal what is it that makes her tick (ie. what is she after), what is it that turns her on (ie. deep romance / sex talk / men of status and power / being treated like nothing /etc) also in this verbal interaction, the guy is checking for: 1) compliance (ie. she is doing as he says - could be a question or do something like moving around) 2) following (ie. is she following along the path that the guy has set). The guy can observe this in how the guy is moving around the discussion and the girl following along and not trying to change topics. Also the girl could be mirroring the guys opinion

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3) receptiveness (ie. Is the girl accepting the advances of the guy and reciprocating). The guy can observe this by flirting with the girl and seeing if she reacts positively (or not negative). The guy could touch the girl and see how she responds. In conversation, the topic of sex could come up and the guy could observe how the girl is responding to this(edited) there would be loops of discussion / physical interaction to check for the above three things. The tools that would be used for that would be the flirt, tease, rapport + break rapport, judgement, kino if the girl has checked all the above three boxes, then the guy can advance further for the makeout which will be a large sign that she is ready for sex. At this point, the guy can lead the girl back to the apartment (his / hers) and on her agreeing with this, then sex is going to happen --- that is what I can see happening from the guy POV based on everything we have discussed thus far and also from my recent experiences (which havent ended in sex yet the above looks sound).

8:18 AM

some more thoughts: In thinking more and more, the tools (flirt, tease, etc) is not only a way to move the conversation around but also to "put the girl in her place" if while she is testing for dominance and leadership. if the girl is testing for dominance in the guy, she could try to put him down (happened to me with the polish). The way that this can be "addressed" is by taking what she has given and then turn it on her and then stack ontop leading it somewhere else. The tease wouldnt be a thing todo to make the guy "sexually attractive" but is something that results in the guy being "sexually attractive". So from the guy POV, while he is "swinging his dick" (now this phrase seems to make sense), he would also have to be conscious of what the girl is trying todo (ie. test for dominance, leadership and initiative). This "dance loop" would likely go around a few times but in all the cases, the guy would have todo the same each time and be ABOVE the girl the whole time and each time she tries to put herself above (via judgement, command, or guy put down), the guy must use the "tools" and put her "in her place" which is BELOW him. Failure for the guy todo this, means that the guy is by defacto BELOW the girl and therefore the guy would look "less attractive" to the girl.

8:20 AM

a (strange) analogy, is like it is kung-fu choreograph between the guy and the girl where each are testing each other (ie. the screening process). While this is ongoing, the girl will likely (I assume) give the openings that would lead to sex and the guy would have to take them in that moment and move both of them to sex (if this is what he wants). . This may explain why yohami is able to "say the right thing" because of this mental positioning (guy is ABOVE the girl) and everytime the girl tries to knock the guy, Yohami knows what he has todo. When the girl has tried and tested enough, the guy needs to initiate and lead forward toward what he wants (eg. sex)> . It feels like the screening and sexual courtship run side by side where there would be a switch between the two as the interaction is ongoing from the POV of the guy. If the guy tries to advance without having "defeated" the girls tests, he will come across walls when he tries to escalate. This is the "moving ahead of the pace"

8:21 AM

Sexual courtship = overall partner assessment objectives + guy must take the openings provided by the girl to move courtship forward towards sex
Screening = process and tests done by both guy and girl for sexual courtship
Tactics / Toolbox = Flirt, tease, rapport + break rapport, judgement, kino

8:22 AM

. END OF LUC's PIECE ==================================== ==================================== (edited)

8:23 AM

she wants to fuck, I want to fuck we are just hashing out the details =================================

8:26 AM

Why did she come to the date? To have food? Man you said it already It's in your face I ask WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH HER? You replied this to another scenario but this is the answer she wants to fuck, I want to fuck we are just hashing out the details That line above is top frame In your case - You are able to channel it when you don't care about the girl anymore The moment you care - you regress yourself to bottom frame and she's on a pedestal and you're a dancing monkey Looking for 'tests' Instead of looking for what you want and leading there Looking for what you want and leading there is what you did with tennis girl Me: I am horny now Me: 22:30 at your place? You are not waiting for things to be 'all good' You're not a passenger of the interaction You see what you want and you go for it You're allowing yourself to be that guy, here, because likely you feel there's nothing to lose But the minute there's something to lose then you can't do the above - for now

8:26 AM

But this is what Im talking about with 'treat every girl like she's tennis girl' The job for you is to learn to stop giving a fuck even when you want the girl So you can act like a man and not a beta monkey What is wrong with 'all goes well', specifically "all" is a third thing , it's like being in a movie or a new job or an interview or watching some game, and 'it' is going well, then who knows what will happen after So 'it' is external, and if 'it' goes well then you will try to do things That's not what it looks like when you're the one in power and driving things What actually happens is that IF you like the girl you take her home and bang her But she came to the date - that means she wants to bang And you want to bang too The rest is details You're there sorting out the details What details? well does she actually have what you want And do you have what she wants That interaction is not something that 'goes well' or 'goes bad' That is passing the ball to an external judge That interaction is something that you move forward yourself You - lead So that would be the verb Makes sense?

8:30 AM

================================== Between men and women there's nothing other than sexual courtship It never ends At the beginning there's more discovery Things need to be settled on/off Like a first impression But it never ends - check your own chat with tennis 16 bangs Nothing has changed She still tests you She still gives you openings / and walls You're still required to lead, and now you finally do Everything is the same You're still in a cue of guys But now you're finally seeing behind the courtain - with her There's something funny with girls, when you're high enough on their cue they tell you all the truth That happens when you're above them in value in their eyes In part because they want to fill the gap by showing you that they 'also' have value So they start telling you about the other guys they could leave you for "oh you think you'r so hot uh? well Im banging FIVE guys and this one bought me flowers" For the rest of the guy - the poor suckers. One is in love with her and another one is sending 'good night' to her while you're on her bed with your dick inside of her So these guys only see a fraction of the truth

8:32 AM

=================== PULL Or "going for what you want" The focus is on what you want And you tell her to give it to you Do you see it? The focus is not "what do you want so I can give it to you so you give me what I want" nor "what can I do so you give me what I want" but "This is what I want, give it to me" In the frame right there 1) You're 'far ahead' and don't care if she says yes or not, you're not needy 2) You're not chasing her and not pushing yourself in her resistance, however 3) You know what you want and you ask for it The result is: the girl says yes Now compare that to trying to make out with a resisting girl Or whatever you're doing on the date and checking if 'thing are going well' Trying to describe this is like speaking about colors to a blind guy But now you have the two experiences Compare them (edited)

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8:35 AM

Any ideas on why I am top frame when I don’t care whatsoever and bottom frame when I am looking for sex from a new girl? Yes. And that's normal It means your core is bottom frame Or your core frame that you use for most things is bottom But no point on dwelling on it What you need to find is: You want something, but you dont care if you get it FROM HER its specific for the girl you are interacting with Your desire has to be fully activated While not chasing Not clingly not desperate But not restrained Why this happens?

8:36 AM

. We're in a big hierarchy and it pushes everyone into roles From school to work to everything That pressure is top to bottom It weights on you How do you fit there? by being its bottom(edited) This is why acting top is contra-intuitive Unless you're actually at the top of things in life Does that make sense? Or The reason why when you want something you go to bottom - it's because in your life, wanting things ellicits a strong conditional back Desire triggers walls I want that car - I don't have money I want that body - I don't have that body plus would require tons of time for body building I want that hot chick - she'll never pay attention to me I want to be the charismatic guy - nobody likes me that much I want to do what I want - I don't have freedom I want to tell my boss to fuck off - I need the job I hate my job - I need the money Etc Desire triggers walls

8:37 AM

I want that car - I don't have money I want that body - I don't have that body plus would require tons of time for body building I want that hot chick - she'll never pay attention to me I want to be the charismatic guy - nobody likes me that much I want to do what I want - I don't have freedom I want to tell my boss to fuck off - I need the job I hate my job - I need the money Etc Desire triggers walls There are specific situations where your desire can run - and people are unused to that so they become assholes immediately Becoming a client Becoming a customer Becoming a parent Becoming the partner in a relationship where you like the other one less (that's you now) Becoming the winner of a game Belonging to a winning team, political or otherwise Becoming famous for random reasons You bring someone to the top, all the bad shit is multiplied Has no skill attached to it That's also why 'jerk' is attractive, it's not the jerkiness it's the positioning And why "leadership" fixes this by tying positioning with skill The end result is what happens when you want something, but you can actually have it Example: you've got a million bucks and you're screening to buy an expensive car Or a billion dollars in your pocket It's: I want this, and it's not a problem Count the times that you've actually experienced that "I want this, and it's not a problem" That's in the top frame That's not where people live Now the short answer

8:39 AM

Any ideas on why I am top frame when I don’t care whatsoever and bottom frame when I am looking for sex from a new girl? It's because when you don't care about the girl you see yourself above, and when you care you see yourself below Or: you see attractive girls above of yourself Or: when you see a girl you want you go play your usual game which is to place below her and supplicate Or: You feel you have no buying power with girls Should I just keep iterating until this feeling of interacting with hot girls goes away and it becomes normal? Not really If you interact with girls from the bottom then you reaffirm the frame Even if you bang them It actually becomes worse That isn’t what I mean. I am still “sensitive” to hot girls that it makes me do the above. If I am no longer sensitive and am constantly getting the girl interest, then I expect that I would be in a better mental state Nope But check the pattern On how you want to do things Now you're setting yourself as the passenger of a carousel of hot girls And that would 'desinsitize you'

8:40 AM

You don't need to get desinsitized(edited) You need to become even more sensitive to attraction markers The problem is not that you're attracted The problem is your positioning Your idea there is like - being sensitive to a hot girl's attributes is linked by default to a bottom position What needs to happen is that perceiving a girl's hot attributes puts you in a top position So when you see what you want, your dominance INCREASES You need to become x10 more sensitive to all the girl's markers Not less Well understand it on a theoretical level first When you see what you want or like your dominance must increase Your blood needs to pump more Your adrenaline has to pump You have to want 'more' of it Your killer instinct and playful and testosterone and androgen etc all needs to kick you into a high It's the opposite of 'not being interested' It's just 'being interested from the top' as opposed to 'being interested from the bottom' Don't you get something like that when you're going to play a computer game you like? Would the objective be to 'play so many computer games' that you not longer care? if you'd do that why play then? that's not what you're after

8:43 AM

. You have to be attempting to be the top guy It must initiate from you It's a direct action Try - to be from that frame That initiates the feedback loop You're in command of it You can't be a passenger of it When you're about to bang a girl for the couple first times And she's getting naked Do you feel that too? I want to fuck her and Im going to fuck her Desire doesn't trigger walls, it triggers your dominance up Or still puts you at the bottom? brought you to that state But that state - that type behavior Should be your normal - ALWAYS With every girl And everyone Should not get castrated when you're interested Should not be put back in the box (edited)

8:47 AM

============================ YOU Focus on you Now you're blaming her: double down on passenger If you frame your own interaction as transactional, then YOU don't have what she wants and your value is only in what you do for her And you're doing that Plus giving her free validation In hopes that she gives you something in return Plus every time she goes in judge you play along to some degree The thing with looking for arousal is not "Lets find the areas where I can do stuff for here and please her" She's not a goddess and you're not a servant The thing with looking for arousal is akin to listening to the girl moan while you fuck her, and changing positions and stuff to keep it fun and make her moan more It's never you as a passenger and doing as told Again think of yourself and tennis girl It's that same process Also what will arouse the girl on a primal level is always top guy stuff Even if it pisses her off and goes in direct contradiction with what she says she wants So it's never 'what should I say so she likes me" But "what is the top guy thing to say and be in this situation" Her: You like kissing Me: I love it Her: Girls Me: All the time

8:48 AM

Her: So what Im I to you? Me: A cute girl Im getting to know, you haven't earned more than that Me: You can keep trying though Not Her: You like kissing Me: YOU! ONLY YOU! I REALLY LIKE LIKE LIKE YOU!!! can we bang eventually? If you go back This should be: you want to fuck, you have sexual desire, NOT NECESSARILY WITH HER, she's a maybe You're channeling the reversed proposition If this goes in contradiction with the other assertion that it must be about HER - then bring the case where you have a billion bucks in your pocket and you're screening to buy a sports car Yes what a nice car, you'd like to ride that thing But it doesn't need to be THAT car Car: You like driving Me: Yes!

=========================== CARE Its top guy first calibration second Not "tell me what do you like so I can give it to you so you please give me what I want" the disassociation If you care = you're below You don't care = you're above Change "care" into "want" and "need" Then WANT vs NEED You WANT, and you're ABOVE I care about what you think since Im trying to help you I care about what my kids feel and think of me Doesn't mean they are above I care that my wife loves me and is happy Doesn't mean she's above (edited)

9:00 AM

The wording The negative aspect of "care"(edited) Replace with NEED And the positive part of 'care' replace with WANT So you WANT but don't NEED The paradox of game is positioning, improve the wording so the ideas stop colliding You want sex with the girl but you don't need her or the sex, it's about what you WANT. not what you NEED You can always get what you want with someone else = buyer frame The thing with you with tennis girl is that you don't NEED her because you barely WANT her Therefore you're not below - because likely normally you place the things you 'care about' or want / need above of you So with tennis girl you reach the non-needy frame because you also don't want her The proper frame - want but not need So you are above You can pursue but not chase You can lead and not follow You can pat attention and not being clingy etc

9:02 AM

You are using 'care' for something It's the wrong word A closer word would be "it validates me" "I value it's judgement of me" "its judgement on me affects who I feel I am" All of that is bottom frame, you're being determined by the exterior So the big top is above you pushing down and you need to play nice to get rewards You see a girl you like? you place yourself there At her bottom "hey Im nice I'll treat you well what do you want can you please consider me" You're doing all that on your own It's a game your'e offering them So stop that dry You see yourself doing it again? stop then You are in the moment and you see yourself there? stop That's what you're not doing, therefore you're not trying yet Now what you have to separate is the things you want From the validation ego they give you That means your validation needs to come from you You assert it You initiate it But from there you still want things, so you go for what you want In the courtship, that means you're going for her arousal and compliance The more she's compliant the more you want her "care" doesn't enter here ever You're not there to get ego validated and she cannot even touch it Plus you'll get punished every time you go bottom and 'care' ============================== TRY (edited)

9:02 AM

Homework for you Simple Next time you're doing anything Ask yourself "what frame am I now" And "what would the toppest top guy would do now" If the answer is not what you're doing, change what you're doing Im going to add this as the major stone in my 'system' because without it there's no fucking chance I thought it was obvious but seems its not TRY The frame changes, when you TRY It needs to originate from you Ask yourself what is the top frame thing to do or say or feel, and do these Regardless of what feels natural for you in the moment

9:04 AM

When you see a new girl Or are interacting Pause and ask "who am I being right now?" A reminder - when you went out to bars and clubs on a non-expat adventure, you wanted to just 'deal with your anxiety'. I told you to bypass the anxiety and focus on the opportunities and fun. And just like that, the anxiety was gone The more you want to deal with the anxiety the more you make it happen Medicating it would make it worse Instead - try to focus on the other frame, the opportunities and the fun And the switch makes the anxiety go away Well - same here Same with girls same all the time When you feel yourself in 'bottom frame', anxiety, validating, passenger, follower, etc, stop that and focus on where you should be, leading, initiating, commanding, going towards what you want, etc(edited) That's the 'try' If you don't know what you should be doing, try to imagine it If you had all the power and you didn't give a fuck and nothing could hurt you and you were unrestrained - what would you do? Then DO THAT(edited) That's the 'try' The switch of frame needs to happen intentionally The world will validate you when you have it But the world can't just make it happen for you Also if the above is unfamiliar - look for situations where you're contextual alpha so you're exposed to the role

9:05 AM

You need to try You are - still - not trying When the girl throws the shit test at you And the questions etc Are you trying, intentionally, to switch frame? What is the reason you're not trying yet? Its as if you expect it will happen as a result of some interaction So it will 'happen to you' Which is the opposite of what needs to happen The top guy frame wont happen to you And it wont happen because of an experience Ever Never But I can say that experience with theory is making me less and less bottom guy? The part that works here is that taking action makes you grow Taking action = win But still, you need to switch to being the initiator And then from there be dominant You can't make it in passenger mode It wont 'happen to you' It must originate in you - then you'll get a feedback loop that helps making it solid It wont be 'the world gives you top guy frame so then you believe it' What the world and girls will do, forever Is give you BOTH stimuli, top and bottom As long as you're not filtering that, and you're still in bottom frame, the stimuli will trigger it So it can't originate from the outside You can go to favorable environments where you have more opportunities: TO YOU EXEC TOP FRAME But the world cant make you a dominant man It's the opposite road Makes sense?

======================================== What's what arouses the girl the most? Is it when she tries to judge and backfires? when she teases and is teased back? When he leads? What's the most potent arousal for her If not seeing it - think of Korean When was she the most turned on? Its ta ta ta ta ... Getting her clit rubbed Or, behaviorally When she offers an opening and you take it When she's receptive and you escalate When she's submissive and you're dominant When she's following and you lead When she lets go and you take control When SHE I make that point because since the beginning - what Im pointing at is 'what does she want' Its about the OPENING In your list above you went on to describe her walls Her judgement = wall Her teasing = wall These are only arousal spots when you nag them The actual arousal is the opening And escalating there Or 'rubbing her clit' That's also why I say dutch is not arousing them Hes being an attractive guy and they want him - logically But that's still not arousing - them So he'll lose to any guy who does Literally any guy who does Because at the end of the day the clit is in her body Not in his solo dance So it's all about her opening, her compliance, her receptiveness It's not about her judgement, not about her teases And not about your leadership - not on your own It's about how you engage with her femininity, from your masculinity Makes sense?

============================ LONG LONG GAME? The question is - what do you want to happen Do you want her to buy a plane ticket and come? Do you want to go there tomorrow? Or its about keeping the flame alive? Keep the flame alive and then meet and fuck her when logistics are right, i.e. either in Stockholm or Zurich over the next two months Sure Now If you had a rotation of 4 stable girls Plus you flirted with another 10 in the last two weeks So you have 4 girls you can ping to have sex right now And another 10 you can ping to potentially have sex right now And all you have to do is put 15 min into it Do you use your 15 min to chat with the girl who's 2 months away? =================== NOW LETS ASSUME YOU WOULD. In the context that Im offering, why would you? what type of interaction would you send? is she coming to you in a couple days totally out of the question? what do you want to happen? Here's why this is about frame and it dictates the outcome If you're pinging her because you don't want her to forget you, you lose Why? because fear is the wrong playground to bang her If you're pinging her just to keep the flame alive, then the vibe needs to match So imagine the type thing you'd text after you banged the 4 girls and screened the other girls are your bored You ping her, curious, but uninvested Balls depleted She's two months away, she's one of 40 girls you flirted with at that city, who gives a fuck about her So it comes out of boredom Or - maybe something happened and your urges to be with her are renewed. If so you're higher energy, more commanding, and prompting her to meet soon AKA drop what you're doing and let's go in an adventure So from Top Frame it's either

7:56 PM

1) No contact 2) Bored, sup homie, send me nudes 3) I want to see you, come here If you go middle road like it normal text game - flirting and stuff, why are you not doing so with girls you can actually bang now? If the answer is 'you don't have any' that's again the answer why this approach is broken It becomes long distance chase She's far and you can't bang her but you pursue her Without actual intent to fuck her now = bottom frame From there, she'll smell it ========================= NOW, the above is assuming she's a maybe, of course. If she is a YES then nothing matters If she was turned on enough by you she's been kicking herself in the ass for not banging you, then the moment you say "hi" over chat she'll jump into it and start offering you openings and stuff so you move on her and make it happen If she is ON, then she's always in the mood for "come here tonight and fuck me, I can't wait" She will never be in "Banging you in two months is a good plan" She will either be on or off or going to one of the two positions Why? Because she's in a cue of men She has a cue of candidates You not coming to her until 2 months have passed means she'll be banged by mario and pablo 20 times each And in the middle of their cum on her body there are your texts 'trying to keep the flame alive' but not escalating So that kills it You'd do better ignoring her until you can fuck her, then you can win OR pinging her to fuck her now OR pinging her out of boredom but with no interest really, since what's the point of trying to get her clit all stimulated, just to have mario fuck her again(edited) =========== That's how I see it So when I say "I don't get long game" I mean this 1) Don't you have other girls you can fuck now 2) If you really like this girl why don't you fuck her now 3) If you just wanna keep in touch, keep on mind her fingers are sticky with some other guy's semen while she tells you good night So play accordingly Now to your question / angle

7:56 PM

Keep the flame alive and then meet and fuck her when logistics are right, i.e. either in Stockholm or Zurich over the next two months Me: hey [nickname] Her: oh hi! blah blah Me: haha Blah blah Me: Are you going to be in Zurich or X soon? Im planning a scapade there in the next two months Me: I'd like to see you ================== So what Im doing there is actually making sex happen, it's uninvested, not going for rapport, pinging her clit directly That be taking possibility 2, so I want to fuck her but doesn't need to be now, if ever

========================================= Note the split personality. "you tell yourself". So you have an internal top guy telling you, the bottom guy, what to do, then you do as told. What needs to happen is that the guy inside of you telling yourself what to do grows and becomes the main personality, so you are not telling yourself to do stuff, you instead decide what to do and do it, yourself.

==================================== A 'cool guy' is basically: A guy who is high in the social hierarchy and is friendly and non-competitive enough to be approachable Grooming, fashion etc are accessories but these don't define cool Or body etc - all these same make you 'try hard' If you're trying to impress for example Even if you have the lamborgini and a 12 pack and superstar friends, you can be 'try hard' and 'uncool' Cool: Above and Friendly Cool: Powerful and Chill(edited) Cool: Strong but Laid Back It's when you tie "high social value" with "relaxed" It's not the image, friends, grooming These are all proxies

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2:10 PM

Top guy / alpha / dominance That's a set of behaviors Behaviors and points of view and actions That you either do or don't do or increase or decrease Acquire or don't The measure is: are you doing the behaviors or not % ot the time? Its not about what you believe(edited) It's: What are you actually doing? Are you actually playing the part where you're above, or below Are you going for opportunities, or climbing walls What is the truth That's your measure Your behavior and status of top guy is self determined and self sustained You originate it Then the world will give you a feedback loop In the case of the girl - the girl is not there to just be your feedback loop Half her dance is to challenge it So if you're dependent on her, you're screwed ========== Her: Here's an opening Luc: Oh! I must be top guy then Her: Here's a wall Me: Oh! there's something wrong with me(edited) ========= That's fucking hell Here's what it looks like if you're actually being top guy ========== Her: Here's an opening Luc: Thanks I love that, give me more Her: Here's a wall Me: Fuck that wall, give me an opening ========== Do you see the above

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8:20 AM

You can bang 1000 girls and still be bottom guy Maybe it just takes you a million approaches Go for it If you're bottom guy then you rely on the girls who bang bottom guys And your luck So let's ay that's 1 in 150 To bang 1000 girls you must approach 150,000 Go for it Start approaching 150,000 girls that's how you'll bang 1000 then Why would a girl bang a dog? Some do Want to bang 100 girls and you're bottom guy? approach 15,000 then Have fun with that Want to bang 10 girls and you're bottom guy? approach 1,500 Top guy is not how many girls you bang Top guy / Alpha is the type behavior that girls find attractive If girls find you attractive then ALL want to bang you ALL OF THEM For fuck sake PUA - is the tool for unattractive men that nobody wants to bang So that's why PUA has to be super resourceful to get laid and try a lot of things Attractive men don't have to do PUA to get laid - but what they do, ingrained, is behavior that is naturally attractive That behavior is what PUA tries to emulate Piece by piece But if you don't have a fucking FRAME to sustain it then you're like a picasso painting with random stuff on it A disjointed collage of contradictory behavioral patterns Some 'attractive' behavior but pushed from an 'unattractive' general vibe So you're fucked If you want to bang girls, get un-fucked Tweak the fucking base personality framework, so then these 'attractive behaviors' come naturally, then girls 'just like you' and 'just want to bang you' And you'll have PUAs trying to emulate you But failing so having to do 150 approaches to have ONE FUCKING GIRL like them Pathetic shit (edited)

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12:19 PM

frame changing means attempting to live life through a different pov and moving there In this case, you above instead of below, focusing on what you want, being the initiator, paying attention to openings and walls in everything, taking openings, escalating there, and pushing away walls, and doing reward / punish as you go

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9:16 AM

are you consciously knowing what to write or does it all just come to you? Similar to playing tennis or any sport, or playing an instrument. I know a bunch of simple individual moves, I know what I want to do, and the phrase of form just 'forms' automatically for me. Same as writing here right now. The actual form gets created on its own as a string between where I am and where I want to go or what I want to express So I know consciously what I want, I aim, and the form takes shape. If I dont like it I destroy it and a new one is formed That's how language works, too

9:16 AM

are you consciously knowing that you have todo this and then that and then something else? like a roadmap Same reply as above. Its like a tennis match or a chess match or any other game. Im there in the moment, Im given a scenario, I act on the scenario to take it where I want to go. Being in the game is conscious. The many moves were conscious at some point but now they became 'language' they are in a library. Now - there's no 'roadmap', or if there's one it gets reset with every subsequent move. What there is is an intention, which is conscious, and the intention drives my game forward in a specific direction. Which is my 'win scenario'. There's not a fixed roadmap but game rules, and with each move the many possible roadmaps to the win scenario get actualized are you consciously looking for put down, judgement and other shit from girls? Yes but these are the negatives - what I do even so more consciously is look for the positives. It's about focusing on the openings. It sounds as if you're consciously looking for walls in that question. Its fine to keep an eye on them, but where your attention needs to go is towards: opportunities, openings, compliance, arousal, fun, etc, that's where you're going. The seduction is not done with her walls. The only thing you do with her walls, when they come, is either ignoring them or putting them down and then she learns not to do that anymore and gets aroused in the process, so she gives more openings as a result (edited)

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2:08 PM

Important thing about women: Everything they say is a lie More specifically Everything they say has the sole intention to make you act Everything is a tease Everything is roleplay (edited)

======================= Chase: investing more as she invest less, running after her as she runs away, pressuring when she puts walls, etc

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We are in a sexual courtship We're not friends We're figuring out if we'll fuck / be a couple / what are the terms / where we stand If we're fun together / if we match / don't match / will fight a lot / have compatible personalities or not, etc That's whats going on ===================

DISAGREE AND AMPLIFY Her: you are so stupid Me: Im actually a genius === Her: You are so stupid Me: And Im still smarter than you, what does that make you? === Her: You're so stupid Me: You wish === Her: You must have a small dick Me: Actually it's the biggest cock ever Me: I get requests to make dildos out of it all the time Me: Your mom has one === Her: You're insecure Me: I would, if I wasnt an uber confident cocky bastard === Her: you are X Me: You're so wrong it's hilarious === Her: you're X Me: Ha Ha, try again (edited)

12:32 AM

=== Her: You must live in your moms basement Me: I sold it to buy your house and Im now getting you evicted === Her: You're a player Me: Me? I have never seen a naked woman === Her: You must be a virgin Me: I would be if I hadn't banged a million girls (edited)

12:34 AM

======= Disagree and amplify works to replace agree and amplify depending on the context. It falls in 'masculine banter' category, when the girl is doing a power grab / dominance play and you don't want her to get away with it (edited)

======================== Try this Put a hundred pounds on your pocket Go to a store with the firm intention to buy something you like Do window shopping and chill evaluating the things that you may take home Compare the two or three you like the most Buy one Thats the frame =====================

FLATLANDER's WISDOM Your and her posture are an indication of the dynamic in the relationship. If she's crazy about you, she will mold herself around you. And she will be crazy if you are pinging her Top Guy radar. And you will be pinging her radar, if you stand up straight and project strength, confidence and outcome independence. So the pics are downstream from who you are, both on your own and wihin that relationship.

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9:06 AM

You're not supposed to get validation from the notch: YOU SHOULD BE VALIDATED ALREADY. What you get from the notch is the notch, the sex, the company, and her. If you're top guy and your behavior is proper, then you get her when you want her, as logistics (including her rotation of guys and messy life in general) permits. Which is good enough. So these two things - when you meet any new girl. Remember that pussy is pussy and at the end all girls are messy and boring, and they are all different but the same, and interchangeable. And remember nothing of this validates you, you come pre-validated and their interest and how they rank you in their cue of prospects is of no interest to you, and all you want from this is the sex, the company, and her - no other psychodrama games being played and you're not trying to reaffirm your identity thorugh her. So this is in opposition of how bottom frame sees girls 1) There must be one that is the one! girls are special, valuable, unique 2) I must work for the girls approval and I'll either be validated or hurt in the process, but if I am validatedd I feel like THE MAN! for once! Kill the fucker (edited)

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9:23 AM

Here's the thing The part of you who wants the perfect 0 size is the bottom guy To become top guy you must sacrifice the bottom guy That includes what the bottom guy wants The bottom guy wants the perfect zero size for some undisclosed reason that would make bottom guy feel super good Likely he'd be validated So the zero size girl is a special unicorn with super value and super powers For top frame there are NO super special girls with super powers and super values All girls are below his in value(edited) ALL OF THEM There may be some more appeal to zero size girls or blondes or brunetes, but it's minimal Pussy is pussy Girls are interchangeable No girl is special no girl is a unicorn For a girl to be special she must actually fill a lot of requisistes in her personality, she must be working to be special for you, it's not something that you grant to her by some superficial trait, specially not something that she loses as easy as going a couple times to macdonals and eating fries The part of you that puts any particular type of girl on a pedestal - that part can't be realized It's incompatible with top guy frame The behaviors are disonant Here's how it works(edited) You'll be able to bang all the zero size girls you want WHEN You're able to bang any other girl too

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9:23 AM

what I want to have out of pursuing TGG is a breathtakingly beautiful woman In TG no girl's beauty can take your breath away What you get is a boner and a shot of adrenaline and the desire to bang her, which makes you go and engage with her to see if she'll play (and reveal if she's worth engaging with) What you actually get out of pursuing TG is the TG itself Now I believe that to get there I must have a strong solid TG frame when meeting her. Yes you need it before you meet, her, while you meet her, after you meet her And although TG frame is something you do in your head I wouldn't describe it as something 'you' do in your head Because 'you' here implies 'the normal you', but I digress And although TG frame is something you do in your head and could be instantaneous, realistically, it will be solidified by acting AND RECEIVING REALITY FEEDBACK as TG for some time, right? Yes you need a reality feedback loop, that is initiated by you So I should have led the thing with the older Swede until the end, although I probably would have had problems getting a boner. If you don't find her attractive, then nope. My question to you boils down to: on my way to TG, should I do compromises and fuck women just for the sake of TG frame practice or is that in itself already wrong, coming from Bottom Guy Bang all the girls you find attractive

========================================= CARE Means too many things So be precise The jump from "beta boy who cares about her chasing rapport" to "rat bastard who doesnt care about girl emotions:" is too huge Both are shit frames The 'care' word is masking the issue Replace with WANT It forces you to actually go into the situation and come back with a win scenario In this context you're using 'care' to replace empathy "the guy who emphatises with how the girl feels and her problems, identifies with her" Is she doing the same for you when she tells you about the size of your dick and implies how she fucks taller guys? No? Then you make a point to flirt with another girl and tell her you want to fuck her friends - but not doing this to arouse her, you're doing it to pay back because she 'doesnt care' or you feel below, so you're trying to regain upper hand ALL UTTER BULLSHIT Bottom frame games Both the caring and the not caring WHAT DO YOU WANT Do you want that she feels good or bad? Both are valid outcomes Its not 'care' its want Do you want that she feels jealous or secure Do you want that she talks about she other things she does or do you want her to shut up Do you want to be the no. 1 guy for her or do you want to be in the rotation and have no pressure What Do You Want CARE makes you a fucking passenger Then DONT CARE makes you a passenger without power What do you WANT (edited)

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5:16 PM

Asking for affection Giving affection fishing for a "me too" That's what affection is from bottom frame Then when things don't work out (as expected) you bounce in the opposite direction and need 'detachment' rom bottom frame it looks like that's what you need But that doesnt solve the bottom frame The problem is not the affection The bottom frame is the problem I've hammered this before But here From bottom frame you're giving affection for free, in hopes that she reciprocates and pays back with the same coin (which will NEVER HAPPEN) From top frame, when do you give affection? Never? always? Can you ever give love when in TG? or do you need to be detached from all or otherwise you're weak? ???? Can you ever be good from TG? Say nice things? give support? ??!??! Or must you be a heartless dry bastard?

5:17 PM

... Heres your clue! Love is REWARD Lack of love PUNISHMENT(edited) From TG you don't give love in hopes of being reciprocated So the love given is not debt Its payment Think about that for a while TG youre a BUYER You're not selling From BG you're selling so when you give love you're trying to close the sale(edited) The love put out is your marketing When love doesnt come back it's a failed sale So you lost that investment From TG you do small investments that are low cost and almost free to you, teases, little games etc When you find profits you triple down You escalate on the wins Things are good = you give more So you win more Things are bad = you invest less Can also reorient yourself "what do I want" and lead to a new win scenario But it's not the helpless, passenger giving love of the bottom frame waiting for a "me too" That then gets resented when things don't automagically work out (edited)

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6:28 AM

Its easy man Start doing TG And stop doing BF Identify all the areas in which you're acting BF Go flipping these behaviors one by one When you see that your life isn't compatible with the TG behavior, change your life so the TP behavior is what fits naturally This is why my advice for newbies is to get a job or hobbie or anything where they are contextual alphas: anything where the TG behavior fits and there's a feedback loop ready to be executed Somewhere where TG is natural instead of forced Take that as your starting point (edited)

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8:10 PM

HOW NOT TO BE MR BETA USEFUL? reward and punish You reward good behavior and punish bad behavior Paying for drinks and stuff counts as a reward Not necessary to pay, but if you pay, it must be when she's in good behavior Instead of trying to switch her to good behavior by giving her stuff That's it Beta / bottom guy gives things to the girl and does things for the girl in hopes she reciprocates Thats 'mr useful' Alpha / top guy is nice to the girl AFTER the girl is nice to him WHEN she's in good behavior Its a reward It's not a bribe Mr Useful has no inner value so he tries to buy the girl with things Mr Top Guy gives gifts and rewards to the girl If the girl is in bad behavior, mr Useful beta gives MORE, chases MORE If the girl is in bad behavior, mr Top guy PUNISHES. gives LESS, pursues LESS (edited)

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8:15 AM

Can the clear TG of any given room bang EACH and EVERY girl? There are girls who wont fuck the GUY for whatever reason Also depends on how TG the guy actually is and what the room is But EACH and EVERY doesnt describe it Nothing is each and every Not every each and every girl likes men Not all of them have vaginas Not all of them want cock Not all of them No MOST OF THEM? yes All of them - in principle But when you get to individual cases there are individual cases "sexual unavailability" = wall Check a few moments later, the wall may be gone Moments can be minutes hours or years And its not about the TG Its about what she wants The reason why TG can bang 'all girls' (in principle) is that all girls want TG But what happens when what she really wants is a beta pushover? Trying to TG your way in wont work What if what she wants is to wear a strap on? No TG there Theres no EACh and EVERY now Looking back At one of my house parties - from 100 girls I can realistically bang 90 The 10 unbangable ones are about 'vibe' there's no compatibility The number of girls I actually want to bang: 6(edited) The number of girls I do bang from that group: 10 So that's 'all girls' for you (edited)

8:16 AM

The NAWALT is strong here always, so this is what you have to look at https://i.imgur.com/x3sZT9K.jpg http://imagesyoulike.com/images/00000/32x24/09462.jpg I google 'hot girl' these are in the first results so that will do, lets assume it's the same girl Pick your fav one 1) What % of men will find her attractive? 2) Can she bang EACH and EVERY man? Answer: She's attractive on the baseline manner, so 'all men' will find her attractive, as a general rule, she's universally attractive Wherever she goes, she'll have the men around her and she'll be able to pick the one she likes, most of the time Now there will be men who don't like HER for whatever reason, hair color, boob size Personality She may still be able to bang half of these men by playing the seduction dance, which for a girl means 'offering herself to him' 'making it easy for him' 'being very receptive to him' And while she's talking to one of these guys and making it easy for him - another 5 will be looking and wanting to get in So she talks to one guy, she could bang 6 That's because she's 'universally attractive' TG is 'universally attractive' to women 'all girls' want to fuck the dominant, cool,. successful 'type' Who hits on them And does the dance The vagina replies on its own Just like a guy's dick get hard in the presence of the girl above Its pre-written

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9:50 AM

Girl: Be HONEST, do you want to keep seeing me? You're different! If the girl likes you enough to keep banging you, you're in a funnel to become Mr Right So what you have to do early on (as early as before start fucking) Is let it in the open that you're having fun and not looking for anything serious So sex is already framed the right way The way that this girl is talking to you means she thinks things are going somewhere There's a story of how you and her are something What you have to do to keep girls in rotation is fuck them once a week or once every two weeks If you fuck her once every two weeks then you go down in her queue and eventually she'll be having a more reliable option than you(edited) If you fuck her once a week you can have a reliable fuck buddy(edited) If you fuck her more than once a week she'll start nesting So if you want to keep her in rotation fuck her once a week With short notice No "lets catch up in 5 days for now" But "hey Im bored, wanna come over" Regardless eventually the drama will catch up, or she'll move on to the next guy she can have the drama with The 'drama' will be there Drama is how girls communicate and get what they want As long as there's agirl there will be drama (edited)

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10:03 AM

This taking opening things sounds like tailoring our personality to what girls like and say and do what will turn them on instead of saying our actual beliefs to girl's teases which would be frame clash. Correct?

10:04 AM

It's not 'tailoring'. The tailor is a service It's calibration Let's say you've got 10 friends Each friend is good for something else With one you have discussions, with another one you fight, another is good for sports, another one etc You don't go with the friend that is good for sports and start asking him to have the discussions you have with another one then get mad he's not good for it Or got no friends? think of investments You put your money where there's returns for your investment And no money where there's no return Then it's TOP GUY FIRST, calibration SECOND What that means is that first you're a man who puts yourself first and you have self value Your desires and persona and boundaries are well defined And you're dominant So when you interact with the girls, you're being 100% yourself But SHE will only react to a part of it The part where SHE reacts to a part of it, it's an opening on HER So the more you do a particular part of you, the more SHE will get aroused Lets say that this is about fucking You're a man - most sex positions are the same for you You get bored and switch often But for HER there are one or two that make her come fast So when you're fucking a girl, you rotate her for your own fun Soon you find that there are certain positions that make her come fast and hard So when you're fucking her, you make the point to fuck her that way and put more emphasis there She coming fast and hard = more fun for you She not into the sex = less fun for you Now fuck another girl - she wont react to the same positions, everything will be slightly different So what happens when you're at night alone? Feel like fucking? What type of sex do you want? You ping the girl you can fuck that way YOU

10:04 AM

That's not you "tailoring your personality to them" That's you getting what you want Want some adventure - call the adventurous girl Want some humor - call the girl who's fun Want some perv shit - call the perv Want to have emotional connection - call the emotional girl You already have all the cards Every girl can only connect without in a limited range You find that range - these are her openings If you're compatible and this is something that gives you want you want, then you proceed If her openings are not compatible with what you want, then you press next Why? because TOP GUY FIRST, calibration second A guy without value would be like "I need this woman no matter the cost, how can I get her" So a man without value would do dancing monkey trying to get in by pleasing her A girl will see that and start moving the 'opening' like a carrot to make the guy dance And disqualify him, after having extracted whatever the guy has to offer

====================================== Girls are bombarded, but that's not why they are 'good' at screening (they are not, not really) and it's not about being different Women are rigged biologically to be turned on by top guy behavior, and turned off by bottom guy behavior, and that's the end of it Just like you're rigged biologically to be turned on by hot girls, and off by ugly girls THEN on top of that girls do get bombarded by a lot of options, lots of hot guys, lots of non hot guys, what that does is that they get 'picky' So girls are 'picky' when screening Which is different to being 'good' at screening "picky" translates to being stupid, really Abundance creates a space where you can be a fool And irresponsible "this guy is perfect, but I don't like his shoes" type thing "Im in love with Mario, but Pablo is so good looking" "Pablo fucks me so well, should I got with DJ to santa monica?" Abundance creates a side effect of the bullshit that you see there But the abundance is not the root The root is that they get aroused by top guy behavior And repulsed by bottom guy behavior ================================

Here's how you can accelerate the process: Attempt to incarnate the frame That's it When that's put as the first step, it changes the whole loop If you put it at the end, it wont happen, or happen accidentally and slowly and messy But most likely wont Put it as the first step, and it changes the whole game That's not the same as 'I put it upfront and then at the end if I bang the girl then the frame is validated" That's not TG That's being a passenger again The result of putting TG first can result in not banging the girl, but making the frame stronger as a result Example "no chase" Example, you break up a relationship because it's working in the bad frame So you may not bang that girl But the result is that the frame is stronger - and the new girl from tomorrow will come ready to play the new game But the point is that you wont get the frame as the result of an experience The frame has to be there first Then the experience is it's feedback loop You can do that gradually But still it's frame first Or No amount of BG is going to give you the type of feedback needed to sustain TG That's how you can bang all the girls and produce no change I had banged over a hundred girls and was still nowhere near TG because I wasn't looking for it It doesnt 'happen' It starts with you ==================================

Some fun fact - When a guy is new being top guy, and still get the boners for all girls, a new girl starts interacting with the top guy and is FLATTERED that he has a boner, because "a guy with such abundance of girls finds me that arousing he's a YES MAN already! wow this makes me feel so special! he could have all these other girls and is still picking ME up! wow the privilege" - when a girl interprets you as top guy (when you're not) you'll find this is how they are acting "wow you're such a yes man for me even thought you could be fuckin all the bitches" The "you could be fucking all the bitches" is what makes the YES MAN passable That's how new top guys can get laid in spite of it But even the top guy with the boner will be put a wall and screened It will be minimal but it will be put a wall to Just in case Then the beta bottom guy will say "no no you don't understand, I don't have all the other bitches Im aroused because you're the ONE" Boom balloon deflates, she's not longer in

The sad reality The whole appeal for the girl is to be able to get the man who can have all the bitches Not the man who thinks she's a unicorn She can be a unicorn among all the others Never THE unicorn She can never be isolated like a prey ================

=========================== The guy dragging behind the pace = creep wimp dick gets screened out When a girl takes initiative it means she was putting a window and the guy didn't take it and she wont take NO for an answer, wants to force the guy's hand But it comes with a price, she gets less aroused So quickly her initiative becomes a test And no matter how good looking the guy is - he can get screened out if he doesn't match the personality So the good looking guys get screened first but also get screened out if they don't perform =========================== (edited)

My conclusion is that all relationships end, and when you're in casual sex carousel they end like this 1) She likes you more than you like her, she wants more, you want less, she ends up broken hearted 2) You like her more than she likes you, you want more, she wants less, you end up broken hearted 3) Both like each other a lot and want to spend a lot of time, why end it? enter a short monogamy run, things fall because of other reasons, likely you were not screening for a real partner, the transition is unlikely, neither is ready 4) You don't like each other that much, so you can keep fucking forever, but hey, you really don't like each other that much so why bother Or The hard truth is that what you're doing is, at the end of the day, looking for a mom for your kids, and she's looking for a dad for her kids. Or, you're looking for a viable fertile woman and she's looking for the best genes / semen she can get, and then a protector. The next step on that dance is, inevitably, the transition to the next game that is raising the kids that should have been produced by all of the fucking you're engaging in The antidote for it, to an extent, is to do one night stands and if you keep fucking the girls, do it once every two weeks, that keeps you lower in her cue and she lowers in yours, so, not that engaged. Eventually this ends because either of you find a 'better option' you like more, with no hard feelings The other scenario is the opposite, you bring them in if you like each other a lot and have full disclosure and keep fucking while both fuck other people, she becomes a friend fuck buddy pseudo girlfriend and both care about each other. This, with time till inevitably also progress into the next phase where someone needs to end it

9:18 AM

But I've seen this one stretched over years - I had some like that Still looking back there's the ghost of 'what if' Nature didn't rig this to make you happy The whole dance is about making children But you can do the initial part, aka courtship and sex forever with different girls - for the fun of it, and enjoy it for what it is And keeping it impersonal - because it is

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9:01 AM

I am in passenger mode because I have a sense that "sex" is something "special / valuable / important / amazing / etc" NO You are in passenger because your reaction to something that you want is to place yourself below it The solution is not to destroy that thing's value "so you're free of it" The solution is to switch positions and when you see something you want, place yourself ABOVE it This is the BOSS / CLIENT / BUYER frame Likely you already do it in other areas I bet you can go to a place you like and has value to you, see something you want, and SCREEN IT Do you go buy clothes and become passenger and start telling the store owner how you deserve a tshirt? Or do you screen for the items you want in there Do you go to a restaurant you like and become submissive Or are you able to screen for the food you want and ask for that specifically Are you able to say NO if they bring you the wrong dish? are you able to send the bill back if they bring you the wrong bill? Are you able to lead a small team of people and tell them what you want and what to do to please you? TG lives there So "I am below because that thing has value" means you see yourself as inferior The reason why this cant be isolated and put into practice with girls - is that if you see yourself as inferior, and there's a girl you see you like and you put her above of you, all the behaviors that will arouse her would come from a man who also wants her, but sees himself above her and sees her below of him So how the fuck are you going to do that THERE The reason you want to do t he game is to get her, but that same desire is placing you below Remove her status of being above? likely kill the desire to do the game Its a bottom frame game altogether Learn to be the guy who is always on top, so when you see anything you want, even a girl you want, you're still on top The behaviors coming from there are the behaviors that are naturally attractive to all girls (edited)

================== How to fix the frame - first, do you want to? Fixing the frame and banging girls are not the same thing You can bang girls with the same stuff you're doing now, just doing more of it That's what most guys do Changing the frame is changing who you are - everywhere Not just with girls So you need a strong reason to do so Fixing the frame means switching from bottom to top, from submissive to dominant, from needy to detached, from follower to leader, from chaser to full of value The desire to bang chicks - if it's rooted in scarcity is not enough to flip the frame Or, if the desire comes from 'scarcity', 'scarcity' cant sustain the TG frame You have to become a boss Fully realized man

========================== That's why I start the porsche scenario with the million bucks already on your pocket THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU QUALIFYING It's you screening For what you want, like Desire Pursue You in the middle of the abundance of options Abundance translates to comparison And detachment But not because you like the porsche any less And not because you're picky And not because you're injecting imaginary things that you dont like But simply because; YOU MAY DO BETTER That's what the 'abundance' means You're screening, not qualifying She turns unpleasant, you can walk You don't find what you like, you can walk Bad behavior, you can punish It's never you "please please let me in!!!!' Buyer frame, top guy frame, not seller frame, not needy frame Above, not below Put money on your pocket, go do window shopping You've already experienced it

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12:36 AM

What you have to do with these girls, all girls, all of them, is male / female dance The basics - men form a power pyramid, based on competence and power The same attributes that men use to rank each other, up and down, and the set of traits and behaviors that are developed on the mens hierarchy Are EXACTLY THE SAME traits and behaviors that girls are tuned in to mate In other words, the girls are physically, hormonally, behaviorally, attracted to the top men in the hierarchy What the manosphere coined as 'hypergamy' When a man climbs the hierarchy and has a good life and is above in power of others, he naturally becomes more dominant, cocky, and 'cool' and detached, and abundant, and more assertive, and more of a jerk All of these things - girls are tuned to and attracted to And all of the things that belong to the lower men in the hierarchy - lack of assertiveness, needines, weaknes Lack of intent, fear, follower, passenger mode, etc etc etc All of these traits and behaviors are non-attractive and repulsive to women now GAME GAME is what happened when some guys try to imitate the behavior of these top guys And slice the behaviors in lines and attitudes and practices etc and feed these to the bottom guys So the bottom guys can mate the PROBLEM

12:36 AM

Is that bottom guy will do what bottom guy will do Eventually the bottom guy exposes himself and the girl loses interest The problem with the type of game you're doing is that you're putting a layer of paint on top of something that is broken(edited) A woman will not get confused by that They are biologically wired to detect this stuff and been doing it forever(edited) So when a girl likes you while you're doing what you're doing, it will be IN SPITE of your bad game "Hey look I like this guy and he's trying really hard to get me, I like that" It's also a recipe for attracting the bad type of person into your life So how to fix this shit? Fix your actual frame / perspective So the traits / behaviors stop being random and they come from a real source At the base, I decribe this as "top guy frame" Means you put yourself first, and you put yourself above others, which includes the girl you are interacting with Which means you don't come from the bottom trying to get in But from the top and 'screening' to see if she's good enough (this is actually who natural men do it) (and this is what women find attractive, too) Also this means that you know what you want And that you are in a position where you can reward what you like, and punish what you don't like Or, LEAD LEADING is just that - knowing what you want, and then punish + reward in that direction So It's up to you if you want to fix the thing Or if you want to keep repeating random stuff and 'getting lucky' one girl every 300 approaches

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Top = dominant, Bottom = submissive Top = leader, Bottom = follower Top = self determined, Bottom = externally determined Top = self reassured, Bottom = externally reasured Top = judge, Bottom = being judged Top = buyer, Bottom = seller Top = boss, Bottom = employee, slave, services provider(edited) Top = me first, Bottom = others first Top = alpha, Bottom = beta Top = center and top, Bottom = below and rejects Top = abundance, Bottom = scarcity Top = "this is what I want", Bottom = "just tell me what you want" Top = relaxed, Bottom = tense Top = giving orders, Bottom = receiving orders Top = cool, Bottom = awkward, creep Top = in power, Bottom = powerless Top = expressive, overt, Bottom = inhibited, subtext Etc etc etc ec etc Bottom means, with girls, you see them as above of you, so you try to fill that gap with things, tricks, lines, gifts, traps, manipulation etc "game" In life, it means you're a passenger and other people have power over your life It means you're not in a leadership position in your own life / social circle It means you're not fully expressed, in a way you haven't been born yet (edited)

============= Pay attention to your own positioning, behavior and traits and stop every instance of bottom frame behavior Build a life around TG traits that requires that you are in TG for things to function Like, boss of something Leader of somethng Any hierarchy position where your interaction is top - bottom Then on a personal level, put yourself first That means cutting relationships with abusers and people who have a bridge with you where they put you down AND creating relationships where you have an upper position / responsibility Same with leader / passenger roles Etc Its all encompassing Or You CANT just be a bottom guy in your life, and then pull a magic trick and perfectly imitate a TG just when you want to bang girls, and then return to being a BG after the sex That's a mindfuck

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10:11 AM

What I see in your conversation is you're throwing random lines one after another Stacking lines Then she reacts but you don't take her reaction, you just stack another line So it's going nowhere But also, because you don't address her when she reacts, you're not taking openings, thus are punishing compliance when it happens And when she puts a wall, you also ignore that and continue stacking, so that becomes 'pushing against rejection' aka chasing I call what you're doing "solo dance" Also "random copy paste game"(edited) If you approach enough girls like that - eventually you get lucky and a girl will ignore the bad game and take the lead and make things happen

10:12 AM

Your interaction with girls shows you don't know how to deal with women

10:14 AM

The bad news is your game sucks, the good news is that it's easy to fix if you take the steps needed The way I'd describe your game right now is "crazy rat pressing the lever that gives random reward" Or "pushy stacky random line generator" If your mom was a narcissist that'd explain partially why It doesnt explain how you went through a 16y LTR unchanged But whatever What's happening with these girls is that instead of doing 'the dance' you're stacking game lines And keep stacking regardless of the feedback the girl gives It's like you're dealing with a black box and don't know what's inside So you keep the PUA systems to operate the box but don't know what's the state of the box EVEN WHEN THE BOX IS CLEARLY TELLING YOU Likely you learned to not trust the feedback of the girls That points to a strong female figure that couldn't be trusted or predicted BUT Girls can be trusted and predicted 100% (even the crazy ones) So that's the good news

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5:19 PM

In the natural order of things the guy is already above - this is a value separated from hers The guy raises her value by bringing her closer to him

================= Get into real human interactions And start by saying YES, and NO And GOOD and BAD When you like something, YES / GOOD = reward When you don't like something, NO / BAD = punish And - Kino, tap and hugs are not rewards per se That's likely coming from a beta frame REWARD is done from the above Your'e giving validation And when you punish you're removing validation

=============== Re: "When something needs to be done I tell myself to do it, dominate myself, force me to do it till it's done" The little voice that wanted something done and gave the order, it's the TG frame in you The person who submits to that TG and is 'forced' to do what doesn't want to do, is the BG frame in you So your personality is split. But you actually live your live as a BG, following the orders of whoever is higher in the hierarchy The BG is powerless and his drive and desire is non existent so if left to his own devices he'd just "slack" When something needs to be done, then you channel the TG for a moment to force yourself to do stuff So lets say your personality is 95 BG and 5 TG. Only TG when you need to do stuff, then you use it to make yourself submit and move (edited)

9:43 PM

When I say "do what you want" likely that'd result in doing nothing, because that's freeing the BG from the tiranny of TG and that results in not doing much, just slacking around But what needs to happen is that the 5% grows and takes over Then when you want something - instead of splitting the personality and adopting TG from a little portion of you and sodomizing yourself into doing things - you just do So the same portion of you that wants something, does it Without the split and without 'forcing yoursef', without that division How? well think of all the instances in your life when you want to do something and just do it Without having to force yourself to do them Desire turns into action Not desire turns into split personality + oppress thyself + become a submissive drone that does as being told But I want, I do So you don't 'dominate yourself' You are the dominance You're both the one who wants and decides to do something and the one doing it And the one telling others what to do and the one being followed Leading towards X goal

9:46 PM

==== Being dominant when alone - you're always dealing with something(edited) Even your own thoughts Are you a passenger of stuff and being victimized by stuff or are you a driver of the circumstances and in control / charge of your life Something breaks - do you become it's bitch or do you make problems your bitch What role are you playing That never stops

=============== Look for places in your life where you can be the boss and embrace these. Find a hobby where you can be the boss of something, a game, a team. Find a job (even if part time) where you're in charge of people. Channel the traits and frames you need to be good at it, where people LIKE being directed by you, and incorporate these to your normal persona. This goes in direct opposition to forcing yourself to do stuff

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2:54 PM

You can't remove one BG thing at a time, you have to stop it all Removing one BG thing at a time means you are in BG frame but afraid to show your hand That means your desire and positioning is BG and you're trying to hide it That means you see a gap between you and the girl and you try to fill it You can't stop that "one thing at a time" because the problem there is the frame, not the little things Stopping the little things just leaves you in the frame and defenseless, 'now what' What you have to do is stop all the BG behavior in cold, and never do it again And when in doubt, do TG stuff only

======================== Why do you tell a joke - what do you want to happen? "I want to make people laugh" Bingo WHAT DO YOU WANT Frame that man Don't lose sigh of it Now - you want people to laugh, that's the outcome you want So you - tell a joke You say something because you want a specific reaction You already know the type reaction you want So what you do with a joke is already calculated to give you the outcome you're after The joke is a TEASE Now what if the other person doesn't find the joke funny? - that's an non-wanted outcome What if the person finds the joke super funny and pees? that's a very favourable reaction If you tell a joke and it doesn't land, that tells you something about the character of the other person Maybe that person is not compatible with your humor But if the person finds your joke super funny then that motivates you to do MORE OF THAT In other words - you are already biologically tuned to do this thing You - me - nobody decided that this is how things are done. This is just how they ae are

12:54 AM

====== You want an outcome You do something to specifically generate that outcome (tease) the other person reacts The reaction is either favorable or disfavorable If the reaction is favorable then you have an incentive to do more of it (this would be the double down / escalation) if the reaction is disfavorable then that's a 'wall' and insisting on doing the same is misguided. So if you still want to make them laugh you need to circle around and understand them more and get to the core of what would be funny for them. This is the (swing your dick) All that process, is SCREENING Its the process you use to get to know someone(edited) The other process - 'trying to get in' is when you don't want to do the above because you're scared of losing or not being liked so you jump in passenger mode. Or, you are only trying to say the things that they will like, but since you don't know yet what they like then you have little to say and get into awkward silences This doesn't happen when you're screening If you want to make them laugh then you need to first get a first impression of what type of person they are and what they will consider funny The more you're on target the more outrageous the joke can be, the more it can land So you can do simpler jokes, funny remarks and see where things go Then really turn it on

12:55 AM

Now, in sexual courtship all of the above is present Except you're not just going for 'laughter' you're going for arousal So you want the girl to be turned on And you TEASE LEAD ROLEPLAY CALL TO ACTION NEG PASS JUDGEMENT It's a dance But the mechanics are the exact same as when you want someone to laugh Same identical fashion Just different want You want to make her laugh - because you may want to bang her and want to know if she's compatible You tease - because you want to see what she's made of You lead - because you want to see if she will follow You neg - because you want to see her character You reward when she plays along You roleplay - because you want to simulate scenarios and see where things would go You act dominant - to see if she'll submit to you But at the core it's the same social cirquit you were born with And the skill needed is built on top of the skill of making people laugh, or making new friends, or just human interaction Plus male / female sexuality So you already know how to screen To be able to screen - disable your need to be liked and your tendency to be a shy pushover. Passenger mode wont get you laid You need to go into the interaction KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT So you can LEAD and TEASE and take things there Then RESPOND to her reaction and either reward or punish, either double down, or keep circling around 'swinging your dick' finding out what she'll react to favorably You already know how to do this - just like you know how to make jokes It's just buried under the bottom-frame need for external validation and it's cowardice

This is why the focus has to be frame If you focus on 'what to say' then in the interaction you're not screening, you're trying to get in, trying to be liked. So you already assumed the other person is worthier and above you and you're below This can work in other areas in society(edited) It DOESNT WORK IN SEX Because the girl will open to the guy above her, and close to the guy below her That's hard-wired Focusing on 'what should I say' means you're just trying to please her You can't please her from bottom frame, no matter what you do Its a lost battle

============= Above, not Superior Above is hierarchy Superior is competence When you go to a restaurant and order food you're above the staff, but you're not superior to the staff When you hire a chef you're above the chef, but you're not superior than the chef Its about being the BOSS, not about being BETTER The metric is dominance Not competence When you're with the girl you're above her, not better than her The type of hierarchy that comes from being 'better than' results in competition You don't compete with the girl Its not a competition Its a stable hierarchy ===============

You can compete and lead when you're teaching(edited) So you add pressure and remove pressure to help the student That's what I do when I call you a wanker

In the sexual courtship the competition can work if it's humoristic / tease / doing it as a show off Like a cat fighting with the pawns retracted Holding down the power and laughing / making fun of her / relaxed "this is how easy it is to defeat you" So it's not really 'competition' it's a simulation When done for 'teaching' it doesn't work with girls Add pressure + leadership or competition + leading in a girl, they hate it In girls competition is nasty, it doesn't have the fun element we experience on the male side We compete on the things we do And we love to do The bigger enemy is an incentive to get stronger and get better In girls - the competition is about WHO IS the best person Its the WHO not the WHAT (link this to how they screen for men) So it's not about what they do its about who they are So it's all personal and disassociated from the actions Compete with a girl and win over her like you'd do with a man and what she experiences is that she's a 'lesser human being' So that means 'she's out of the tribe now' Girls compete with girls to be at the center and top of the tribe and the losers are expelled and unwanted And it's a mud fight And selfish You don't want to compete with girls Lead them instead They like being led

================== Want to progress FAST and be banging girls asap? 1) Socialize with new people every day, practice having 'good interesting conversations', focus on finding what makes people tick. If you need tips on how to have interesting conversations check Dale Carniege's old book "how to make friends and influence people". You can help yourself by picking acting classes, specially Improv. Put yourself in as many social situations as you can on a daily basis, talk to strangers, make funny remarks, channel the more extraverted side of you, learn to be ok with talking to people. In every interaction focus on being and feeling "a cool guy" 2) Improve your wardrobe, diet, physique, hit the gym, get into a competitive sport, martial arts etc, anything that hits your body and makes you deal with male aggression. Improve your body posture, body language, etc, basically: be slower, talk louder, take a lot of space, be relaxed 3) Learn to deal with people from a top to down dynamic. The easiest exposure you can have to this frame is to get a part time job or a hobby where you're the one in charge of people and you have authority over them - from bartender to tourist guide to event organizer to whatever, anything where you are up in the hierarchy and that's the starting point for all the interactions (edited)

4:30 PM

. 4) Add "flirting" to the social stuff above, add "teasing" to the stuff above, learn to identify CTAs and all the other stuff as things happen What is rapport? what is tease? what is roleplay? try these things all the time and pay attention to what everyone is doing 5) Go to places where you can see how girls are when in presence of attractive men. Get exposed to how they really are. This mostly means night game, but also concerts, parks when there are events. You can also catch the dynamics at work places if there are 'cool guys' that girls like, watch, learn, digest 6) Befriend successful womanizer players and learn from them 7) Do all of the above to DITCH bottom guy frame, and EMBRACE top guy frame If you do the above, say, if you put 1-2 months doing the above, that is plenty and enough to change your whole life and make you forget that you were looking for "things to say" ever in your life. Or, your issue is a positioning issue. The reason you're not banging the girls is that you don't know the 'proper things to say'. The issue is that you're not the type of man the girls want to bang - and the type of men that girls want to bang goes beyond 'what is said', and focus on what the guy IS. As long as you are a guy who is looking for phrases to say so he can bang the girl, you're not what girls want. That simple. Now go and change your life (edited)

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1:55 PM

Put in words the best outcome you can imagine for this situation Lets call it that WHAT IS THE BEST OUTCOME POSSIBLE HERE? This is what should be there, big, upfront, default One thing that I notice is that the "best possible outcome" did come to the surface But "what do you want" didn't Likely - the WANT is not tied up to the OUTCOME It's like the outcome is whatever it will be, and your want is just reactive to the state of things ok Here's the kicker for you The BEST OUTCOME POSSIBLE is the WANT Who determined that outcome as the BEST? BEST is a qualification, it's a judgement Who is defining it? you What makes it the best possible? that it satisfies your desires the better What needs to happen is that you make that your actual WANT That means, you start being dominant about your circumstances Instead of being a passive observer of what happens That way you can actually move forward towards the best possible outcome And you can make it happen I assume that you've achieved the other stuff in your life by jumping into things that were already moving Then working there Maybe working hard But as a member of something that is already set in a direction Instead of being the one setting the direction That skill is missing Now - This is how you can make it happen This is the state of your desire / want

1:56 PM

Also makes sense why some guys go blank with the WANT question Bottom guy doesn't operate in WANT terms What does the bottom guy want? to be told it's a good boy Be told what to do Etc Be given a cookie (edited)

==========+ The TG is the guy who kills the big monster like it's not a big deal The BG guy is the one who deals with every insignificant issue like it's a monster BG goes for walls, TG for openings ======

Women are monothematic Not less complicated than men: monothematic Men have sub categories and games and 'fun stuff to compete on' and rules and shit While women, the only thing they ever do is tribal politics Men like 'things' and 'how things work', women like 'people' and the 'politics of people' And it's not 'fun' for them, it's just what they do Not fun like stuff is fun for men Meaning men avoid boredom and boredom means there's nothing new to learn While women only seek the pleasure of moving center and top on the tribe, and avoid the pain of moving out Seek the pleasure of filtering in and filtering out others Avoid the pain of being in the presence of people that should be filtered out Basically they deal with bottom / top men and with friend / foe women All of that is how they garden the safe space the children need So, man comes nearby says hi? he wants sex. That's a given Then how he goes about it tells her where he's in the tribe Guy just goes for it? top guy. take him Guy is shy or weak about it? bottom guy, put walls Guy goes for opening? open to him Guy goes for wall? stop him

10:37 AM

============ Look back in your interactions I look back on mine - there are so many instances where Im doing something indirect (with a hidden, end goal of fucking) and she reacts like it's directly about fucking, and Im like "no no it's not about fucking it's really about that other thing" and she's perplexed and Im "wtf" Me: Lets go pizza Her: Im menstruating Me: (fucking bitch I just want pizza) Her: (why cant he just man up) (edited)

====================== QUOTING LUC: trying to find top guy by interacting with girls feels like trying to learn something by doing an exam on some subject your never studied before ======================= EXACTLY!

9:49 AM

Learning Game by interacting with girls is a dead end Game is learned by interacting with life - it's a 'frame change', it's not 'something you do with girls only' but 'something you are' 'something you do all day and night everywhere and all circumstances' it's 'your base viewpoint and positioning in the world'

9:50 AM

If you're not dominant in your real life, you wont be able to pull it off when there's a hot girl you want to bang - you wont have it in your toolset.

9:51 AM

To deal with girls - you need all the same behaviors you'd need to compete and win at life and be the toppest guy among guys, except now you should be chill and relaxed Dealing with girls is - the top guy after work, chilling and having fun With all the skillset and power but not in competition mode

================ Emotions from TG: GOOD Emotions from BG: BAD That's it Also emotions from BETA: BAD Emotions from transactional frame: BAD Emotions that you express when you're needy: BAD Emotions that you express as part of a game where you're "putting your cards on the table fishing for a me-too from her so she validates you: SHIT BAD Then Putting your emotions out there is shit for the sole reason that your role in the relationship is to lead That means that your emotions need to be processed by you and communicated in a way that dictates action As opposed to putting your emotions out there so SHE ACTS In other words, putting your emotions out there and expecting that she acts out of her own volition, would require that she activates the part of her personality that she uses to deal with children Baby cries: she acts Baby says something cute: she melts That's not the part that she uses with men she wants to fuck The part of her that she uses with men she want to fuck, is the COMPLIANCE part, the RECEPTIVE part, the SUBMISSION part It's the part where she gets a directive and she follows it That's where "emotions from the man" have little meaning When you have a BOSS - roleplay this You do a X job, and go talk to the boss What fits better? do you need that A) The boss expresses his emotions B) The boss tells you what to do Or, you have a president, what fits better? A) The president expresses his emotions B) The president leads and takes charge Do you see it? Your relationship with a woman is based on hierarchy. She evaluates you on the basis of hierarchy

2:01 PM

AFTER the hierarchy is there, THEN you can express emotion But what is the emotions that a boss would express? Basically it's reduced to either validation or non-validation of you That's where the "PASS JUDGEMENT" comes in Or REWARD / PUNISH That's the extent of what the emotions of a BOSS are important Is the guy happy or not? how can you make the guy happy? So it's not about the emotions that you feel when watching a movie - you're a man, NOBODY GIVES A FUCK Maybe your gay male friends who want to bang you care And it's not about your vulnerability - not when your sad, not your weakness, not your neediness, all of that is POISON because it violates the hierarchy If the hierarchy is broken - then you cease to be an attractive man Guess how much worth are a non-attractive man's emotions? -1000 That's it

2:06 PM

=================== "girls in happy relationships are not hypergamous" Put it to test What TD seems to be doing is framing non-interested girls as 'not my fault' Which is BG Here's how you can put it to test Talk to a girl who is in a 'happy relationship' and ask her if she has a celebrity crush Then look at her body language, tone, demeanor as she talks about that celeb. Is she opening or closing? Then ask her what would she do if that guy would approach her and ask her out Then look at her body language, tone, demeanor, pupils Now understand what is going on - and put 2 + 2 together. If she gets aroused and open just thinking about one guy, while she's in a 'happy relationship' is that physical reaction LOCKED to that specific guy, or is there a range of men who can trigger it? Answer: you can bang that girl, as long as you can make her feel that way Now compare that to TD: ITS NOT MY FAULT! Bitch (edited)

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4:27 PM

Vulnerability = weakness In the video vulnerability means "showing weakness" and "lowering your guard" "showing your true emotion" But that's not what's going on anyway, its WHO not WHAT The TG will start feeling like the girl is something special when she is compliant and following his lead and being in her best possible behavior So when TG communicates "I really like you" its going to be a REWARD On the other hand, the BG / Beta is ALWAYS going to be feeling that the girl is really something, and will specially feel that when she is in BAD behavior, that's when the BG will feel "wow she's so above" BG will feel "I really want her, maybe I can show her that I really want her and that will make her behavior better" So you'll try to influence her behavior by showing appreciation That means, you'd be showing appreciation when she's in bad behavior That means, rewarding the wall Guess what value your emotions have in that context? Negative value Its not the WHAT its the WHO The genuine emotion from a TG when she's in bad behavior is "bitch please" and not "you're so beautiful" "you're so beautiful" will happen when she's naked laying down in bed next to you after a three hours sex marathon, or when she's coming to a date and she's looking in her prime Not "you're so beautiful, I really like you, PLEASE let me in" The other thing - "communicating your emotion" is how the submissive / employee communicates with the boss / leader Communicating your emotion is what you do when you're not in power You communicate your emotion so the other person acts

================================== The succint answer is that the girls are attracted to a specific type of men, and this is unrelated to the setup, time of day, mode of approach, or lines GAME is the art of imitating the type of behavior and communication of the type of men that women find attractive So the best way to learn game is becoming - the type of men that women find attractive Let me show it to you in 1 line and image This girl is horny and can't find a man, which lines / tactics / which game does she need to learn to be able to get laid whenever she wants?

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1:46 PM

Should she improve her approach and opening lines and text game? How about this girl?

1:46 PM

The above is identical in men

1:46 PM

You have to be a 10 to succeed When you are a 10 you cang bang them all ust is valid motivation when added to the mix But the primary motivation has to be I AM And the primary behaviour coming from it is dominance I AM and I WANT

1:47 PM

So here's the context for man / woman / tribe Humans are social animals and live in tribes Tribes have a hierarchical structure, with the people with more value at the center and top, and the people with less value at the peripheries and out More value at the top, less value at the bottom With the people at the bottom chasing up And the people at the top doing 'screening' to see who they let in and who they keep out MEN compete on THINGS Men build a hierarchical structure where they rank based on competence "the best man for the job" With competence comes confidence When a man is competent and confident, he 'dominates' every other man in the field We then hardwire these structures because they work with our instincts, we create work structures where there's a boss, there are employees, there are rules etc It all fits our base instincts - as MEN WOMEN compete for resources, and compete with other women for who deserves the more resources So while men's hierarchy is clearly defined by impersonal rules and competence, WOMEN's hierarchy is fluid and is based on personal networking and likeability, alliances, politics Men rank UP and DOWN Women rank IN and OUT Men look at what another man DOES Women look at what other women ARE Men impersonal, women personal NOW

1:47 PM

Each sex is rigged to be attracted to the opposite sex in function of their viable reproduction value and tribal value The iconic female archetype that is attractive to men is a girl who is HOT and SUBMISSIVE The iconic male archetype that is attractive to women is a man who is HOT and DOMINANT The submissive girl does the best on the tribe And the dominant man does the best on the tribe All a girl needs to do to bang a man is being hot enough and submissive - even that fattie in the picture above could bang a man by just being submissive to that guy "We'll do whatever you want just fuck me" would be enough And here's the kicker- the same applies for men A man can also bang almost any girl if he pulls the DOMINANCE part The whole approach in PUA is trying to pull up the type of attitude and language that comes from having a dominant personality, and FAILING for the most part WHY? because a guy doing PUA is doing so because he lacks the dominance trait in real life WHY? because he's in a slot of the tribe where he's dominance is being castrated, limited, molded, suppressed, in short he's not a guy at the top but a guy at the bottom, so his personality reflects the skills, viewpoints, attitudes etc of a BOTTOM GUY And BOTTOM GUY is not attractive Now - What do you need to have sex with a woman 1) That you find her attractive 2) That she finds you attractive There's absolutely nothing else to it On the male side, the LOOKS play a big part, say 80% and 20% goes to her personality On the female side there are more thing at play The screening on the girl happens in three stages 1) STATUS The girl will start her screening as center and top of the tribe as she can. That means she'll go to where the more successful, more dominant and afluent and cooler men there are that she can have access to, and from these she'll pick the most top of men there are, and she STARTS THERE

1:47 PM

2) LOOKS This one is obvious. From all the available men, she'll filter the good looking from the bad looking and pick the best looking ones, like a man would do 3) DOMINANCE / PERSONALITY Here what she's looking for specifically is the dominant trait. She will tease, do 'tests', ask questions etc to see where the man is ranked. Does he have the personality of a TOP GUY or the personality of a BOTTOM GUY? here's where all the PUA game is focused for the most part So, a girl will go to a venue when she wants to bang a man, the venue is the ROOM, and all the people there are normalized in status, so that one is out of the way Then she will look for the hottest men of the men there, that one gets out of the way Then she will screen for dominance This is where all the guys fail The reason this failpoint is there, again, is that the guy's personality is 'bottom guy' so he does all the things to force the girl to reject him

===================== She came looking for something and didn't get it. This is FINE. Its FINE as long as you KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS If you dont KNOW what it was, then you were not screening, you were not finding out, you were not doing the sexual courtship. You need to KNOW what she's after. That's your side of the sexual courtship. Why: What she WANTS is the same thing that TURNS HER ON. To bang her you have to turn her on. This is as complicated as "finding her clit" (I remember when this was like a mystery). Just that once you know where to look at, all you have to do is extend your hand and you can touch it. Its always in the same place, with a few inches up or down difference depending on the height of the girl, can be more on the surface or more hidden, but... THE GIRL IS ALWAYS GUIDING YOU TO IT Listen to the girl She wanted some booze to let go Let her be Then when you're doing rapport look for what turns her on, what she opens to. Then lead, but escalate on her compliance Not as doing stuff on your own

================================ The sexual courtship / screening / sexual mating stuff is built ON TOP of the normal human interaction skills Remove the sexual stuff and focus on the normal human interaction When you are talking to someone Lets say you meet a guy at work and start chatting How do you do that? Can you find out in the first 20 min What the person you are talking to

Finds interesting
Finds funny
Opens to
Loves

And

Doesnt find interesting
Doesnt find funny
Closes to
Hates

========== HOW DO YOU KNOW? The basic stuff is - many things are explored and presented And people explicitly volunteer all the info Things are interesting? they want more and volunteer more Things are not? then the opposite

5:15 PM

==== The act of trying to get to know someone and seeing if you like them is a different process that meeting someone and trying to be liked

5:15 PM

If you are interacting and you're trying to be liked, then you're likely to miss out finding stuff about them

5:16 PM

The act of measuring the other person is 'destroyed' by the act of trying to impress them, trying to be liked, trying to be accepted, trying to get in

5:17 PM

When you are trying to be liked, you already have a representation of that person with your seal of approval, you already placed them above of you, so you're dancing to their higher position and looking for rewards

5:17 PM

So the focus is put on yourself and trying to measure up

5:17 PM

This - translated to sexual courtship, produces all the issues that disqualify you from being a proper sexual candidate

5:17 PM

This 'trying to be liked' is the YES GUY trying to GET IN

5:18 PM

Its how you'd interact with a boss, famous person, police officer, judge or whatever

5:18 PM

You're the bottom guy to their top guy

5:18 PM

It's a ROLEPLAY

5:19 PM

To do the sexual courtship properly - the basic human interaction framework has to be one where you're on top, you're the TOP GUY of the interaction, and you're finding out about the person to see if / how much you like them, while interacting to see what the other person is like

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12:59 PM

Women don't lack agency It's about the role Women's nature rigged role is to be the PASSENGER on the driver seat But it's got to be a passenger of a destination that they already want The "what they want" is their agency Their role is to find a pilot In other words, women are submissive, and are looking for a dominant man But it's not submissive to anything - it's being submissive in the tribe that they chose Their agency is used into finding the tribe Once in the tribe, they want to submit All the other stuff (like not wanting responsibility) comes from the desire of submission As opposed to the desire of being in the dominant / top pyramid / top guy role Which they leave to the man Then in courtship, all they do is try to find that guy So this is why women give you "openings" so you make the move, as opposed to they making the move themselves The girl really wants something? she will be "open" for that thing to happen And she'll be throwing hints and clues and nagging to make it happen She's a copilot She's the dance partner that is led Still - even though she's being lead, this is a choice, therefore, it's agency And all the surroundings and context for she being led by you were already pre-filtered by her She's in a club? all the setup is already rigged The woman is always looking for something and moving towards something, just that she's never the one in charge, the one responsible, the one making the move But she's the catalyst She's the female part She's the receptive part She leads by giving you chances to act She opens And as soon as you deviate from "what she wants' she'll let you know plenty (edited)

1:00 PM

The agency of a man is executed by taking the lead, taking risks, moving forward, making things happen The agency of a woman is executed by taking the copilot things, following along, putting herself in situations where things can happen, saying yes to what she likes, and saying no to what she doesnt like

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1:50 PM

Without generalities you can't understand the individualities You can't approach a dog and every time be asking yourself what species it is Is this a building? maybe it's a boat! Generalities is how you can have 'good game' So you're appealing to most women Not just the outliers

1:51 PM

Feminine women like masculine men. After that's stablished you can look for variances. There will be exceptions to everything

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9:24 AM

Changing mindset means changing who you are as a person and changing your life to match The 'how' is self evident if you see the 'what' Your day to day life is a succession of games All the activities and you do and all the relationships you engage with require you to perform different roles The role that must come natural to you, if you want to be attractive to women, is the role of a TG That means, boss, leader, client, director, driver, judge, above in the hierarchy chain, also means winner, rich, confident, self reassured, dominant As opposed to Service provider, seller, subordinate, worker, follower, passenger, lower in hierarchy, scarce, loser, insecure, externally dependent, submissive So Check every inch of your life and terminate all the roles that require you to be bottom guy And look out for opportunities / roles / jobs / relationships where TG is needed And do the above with the explicit intent of changing your all encompassing frame Because there are ways to be high in hierarchy externally but remain 'below' internally

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9:52 PM

MAYBE you want to bang her What is it depending on? That she plays nice Plays nice to what? whatever your rules are Whatever you want in a girl, she has to be that person Whatever you don't like in a girl, she loses by being that person Thats the core of reward / punish You are not punishing her to bang her It's not a trick Do you get it? The punishment of bad behavior is exactly putting a boundary that will leave her out of the relationship if she insists on crossing it Its not a trick to arouse her and bang her Its a boundary The thing is that the boundary, arouses her Why? Because TG puts boundaries, so putting boundaries belongs in TG While BG guys dont put boundaries, so not putting boundaries and being pushover doesnt belong in TG, so it's unattractive So you put boundaries / punish bad behavior to PUSH the girl out of the relationship And if she's out its her loss And when she's in good behavior you reward her and PULL the girl into the relationship And that's her gain The whole push / pull is the opposite of what it's interpreted in PUA In PUA there's no concept of this shit because you're already a YES GUY trying to get in and you have no boundaries, so you do the thing as a trick to bang her, not as the management of your relationship

9:53 PM

As a result the PUA frame tries to use PUSH to GET IN, and use PULL to punish So the girl is in good behavior or gives an opening? pull that thing away make her work harder force her to chase The girl in in bad behavior and putting walls? PUSH to GET IN and fight that wall hard, chase chase chase The complete opposite Push her AWAY and Pull HER IN Punish bad behavior, reward good behavior And its not a trick - this has to be rooted in what you want out of it And your terms, and preferences, and likes, and honest judgement

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12:53 PM

you are ellaborating on your desire and things you want / dream about

Nobody in the fucking world gives a fuck about it I don't She doesn't Nobody cares about your inner desires And this is precisely the point This is why you can't, as a man, 'state your desires' Because when you state desire, then its the job of someone else to make something happen You're not longer a baby that can cry and suddently there's a boob on your mouth feeding you The whole point The POINT Is that now you are a MAN The main quality that separates you from a baby or a woman, is that you MAKE THINGS HAPPEN HOW? By turning your 'desire' into action So you not longer state your desire You state commands You lead You guide You reward, you punish, you set logistics, you plan ahead, you have the skillset to deal with shit, you set boundaries, you are above You're the boss To THAT MAN all the pussy is given To the man who is below with his repressed inner feelings and desires and crying like a baby and expecting to be nurtured THAT GUY DIES So stop being that fucking guy There's no sympathy for you Not from me not from society and for sure NOT FROM WOMEN Now Transform your inner desire, into something that would be actionable What type behavior do you want FROM HER What do you want FROM HER so you can get what you want How should she behave What do you want that she gives you

12:54 PM

===== Wick: I wanted to get to know her better and then have sex with her. I just thought that inviting her into the stuff that I do would allow us to bond and then we could talk over romance and stuff over dinner/drinks ====== My god man You are tripleing down on what you want but not answering my question And now exposed BG frame again, how "I want to make her open up to me" That already assumes she's closed to you, so you have to MAKE HER open Starting point failure Then "by building rapport over time" Girls dont open sexually because of rapport, and SPECIALLY NOT OVER TIME So there you're already putting yourself on a grind machine where you tear down her wall over time with RAPPORT to ... make her sexual Fucking hell Then "I want to arouse her" ok... "make her receptive to having sex with me" This will NEVER FUCKING HAPPEN when formulated like taht This is, you are describing nothing but a YES GUY TRYING TO GET IN THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN ====== Guy: I want to have a lot of rapport with that girl so she gets receptive to having sex with me Girl: RUNS FOR HER LIFE ====== Here's again the truth The girl is never going to be receptive to YOU The girl never gets receptive to a particular guy EVERY girl is already, since she develops sexually, FULLY RECEPTIVE to a specific, pre-determined type of man An archetype of man The archetype of man is largely shared with an ideal man that all women have, then it gets nitty gritty specific with bullshit, plainly bullshit So for her things need to come in a specific key-sequence of feelings for things to be right That thing is there since forever You don't have any say on the matter - and nor does she Her goal is to find the man who can trigger that sequence If you want to bang her, then you must trigger that sequence

12:54 PM

THIS IS IMPERSONAL This is as impersonal as you wanting to bang her You don't want to bang her because you built rapport over time PROCESS IT You want to bang her because her body / personal triggers the specific sequence in you, that triggers arousal And you have no fucking say on the matter either So You don't get to arouse her by talking bullshit rapport and bonding The only, ONLY way to arouse the girl, is by performing the key-sequence of arousal that that girl has specifically Which will be largely the same sequence as any other girl plus / minus some variations How to get to that sequence? ITS SUPER EASY SHE TELLS YOU ALL THE TIME WHAT HER SEQUENCE IS

12:54 PM

She is telling you, all the fucking time, what she wants How? she gives you openings for you to move on and escalate, then she gives you walls of things that are not 'it' But it never, will never, ever, happen as a result of rapport and bonding The same way you don't get aroused by a girl beacuse of rapport and bonding

========== If a man fucks up, wont a woman no longer be receptive ? =========== The woman is always receptive - for the right type of man The woman is always closed off - for the wrong type of man The only thing you do is signal which type of man you are The only thing she does is try to determine what type of man you are, by offering you both options, and seeing which option you take The more of the wrong type of man you signal you are, the more 'walls' she sends your way The more of the right type of man you signal you are, the more 'openings' she sends your way At any point that you signal you're a right or wrong type of man, she'll send either an opening or a wall And then this doesnt happen in a vacuum and how she perceives you is tainted by her hormonal balance, day of the month, and direct comparisons with every other man she can or could have and even the feedback she gets from other people in her life / around you

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2:40 PM

======= So its ok to ask what arouses her ? ======= Ok man ok ok ok ok ok Is it ok to ask what arouses her Nope Never Ever Here - The reason why you want to ask the question, is that you don't know But you already like her, so you want to get in, so you ask = yes guy trying to get in That's why you perceived she'd 'creep out' There is a guy who doesnt know what she likes and wants an advantage over her to fuck her Then there's more You're 'putting her on the spot' Having her verbalize what she likes puts her on the responsibile seat Girls are wired to run away from that position That makes them be reluctant to verbalize straightforward what they want Instead they give 'openings' Then The fact that YOU DONT KNOW means you can't read her openings and walls If you cant read her openings and walls, that means you're not a man with experience / man who knows things So you're not a TG and wont be able to handle her THEN The fact that you ask her for what's her arousal, already frames you as a follower that will put the work to please her So it's like "tell me what you like and I will do it" THEN The reason there are a million reasons why this is wrong - points at the base Its about frame ASKING what's her arousal belongs in BG frame And ACTING on her arousal belongs in TG frame So there are a million different connections you can make Or What you have to do to find her arousal Is ACTING on her You ACT You TEASE You LEAD You DISPLAY You rub her As a result of that interaction, she'll open to some things and close to other things She'll react in a way that is compatible with what you want, and ways that are incompatible Then you reward / punish Escalate on the things that are conductive etc This is never achieved by "hey girl, lets skip the bullshit and just tell me what to do" which is what you're doing when asking what's her arousal

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11:21 PM

Practice becoming TG all day and with everyone See a girl you like, talk to her and flirt See interesting people, engage When you see yourself interacting or living from BG, cut that shit off Look for ways to be in TG That's the standard and it should never go off So instead of approaching X girls a day like in daygame TALK TO EVERY GIRL YOU POTENTIALLY LIKE Not as a numbers game This doesnt translate to X approaches a day Talk to EVERYONE that you potentially like Find out of you like them Need more social skills - put yourself in the social situations where you need the skills to function And with the social positioning that comes along with TG Have toxic relationships that put you down? cut them Etc

======================+ she is INFINITELY OPEN to the right type of man Has nothing to do with YOU And won't happen 'gradually over time' When she clicks with the right type of men shes open and a predator Has nothing to do with getting to know YOU Has everything to do with getting to know if you are HIM she is ONLY receptive to things she's already receptive for (edited)

======================================== Yohami is always right! “yohami, do you really believe that?” Short answer: Of course. Longer answer: Yes. Im sure you’ve heard of this alpha frame, delusional confidence, positive mindset, etc. Real answer: This is like asking a top dog, are you dominant? Yes of course Im always right. If I open my mouth it’s because Im confident in what Im saying. If Im not sure about something, then I’ll state “Im not sure about this but…” or “In my opinion”. But of course Im right. Everything that I say and state has foundation. When reality occasionally proves particular ideas or assumptions wrong, I adjust and grow. Im drinking my milk from what’s real, and reality is never “wrong”. Im always right and if something goes off and Im wrong, I adjust to match so Im right again. Being right is being in balance.

8:32 AM

Game answer: If you feel that stating out loud “Im always right” creates dissonance, that’s something you have to work with, and you have to move yourself to a position where you are right, completely right, about something, and then grow from there. Being right leads to feeling confident and leads to being dominant, while being wrong leads you to feeling non confident and a follower. Logical / zen answer: Nobody is ever right because all we have is delusions and interpretations. So being right ultimately comes down to be able to translate our perceptions of the world, in a way that allows us to make predictions and manipulate the world with an acceptable margin of degree. So being “right” is similar to science. How much right you are depends on how good youre predictions and grasp on the world is. My grasp on the world varies depending on the context. Im masterful at this intrasexual interpersonal stuff because it’s where I’ve been putting most of my energy and intelligence for about 20 years, long before Game. In other areas where I have less information, Im less right. But, since I know I dont know stuff, my approach takes the “I know nothing – open to new information” path, which makes me “right” again. Being wrong comes down to postulating ideas you know nothing about. Standing on top of delusions. I dont do that, not to my knowledge at least, which makes me always right – and when Im proven wrong, I destroy the building and build a new one that is right. Because I have the foundation. The foundation being the contemplation of the reality out there and not trying to fight it.

8:32 AM

Bonus answer: I take that you find discomfort in stating that you’re right, and discomfort on hearing that another man is right. That’s your beta or worse frame doing the speaking. Why do you let it dominate you? Who would you rather have as a boss, president, CEO, leader? a man that states “Im right” or a man who doesnt state it? you know this goes deep into your body, right? When you’re there, in the couch, and you’re going to go for the kiss and put your hand in her vagina or breasts, do you feel that you’re right? or that you’re wrong? do you know she can tell? Your job is to be right all the time. To be a rock. Solid. That’s where all the “just do it”, “YOLO”, Zen bullshit “when you walk, walk, when you sit, sit, what you do, do, dont think about it” is there for. If you know that you’re wrong then you should have changed your mind already. Your job is to work in the areas where you’re wrong so you’re right. Your job is to be the light among the caos and a structuring force. You are the pillar. First the pillar of your life, and later the pillar of the people around you. Without that you’re screwed. In this case you’ve been arguing from ignorance and defending your sunken costs. On one hand you know you’ve put too much work and your results are too low, on the other hand you want validation for it because your ego wants validation. So how about you change your framework so your ego can get validation from better results? This is like you fighting for some crumbs and being all hungry, and then when someone tells you to go for the cake, you fight back and defend going for the crumbs. What is going on with you? drop that bullshit.

8:32 AM

“manipulate the world with an acceptable margin of degree.” I meant, being able to manipulate the world with an acceptable margin of error. The margin of error being ultimately arbitrary. In your case you’re letting the margin of error to be in the thousands (of approaches) so you can still be right about what you’re doing. My framework works with a much smaller margin of error. So it’s more right.

8:33 AM

========================================= "Do you believe that your way is the best way for rivelino to bang hot girls, since you know his strengths and weaknesses" Well your question is wrong, because Im not describing “my way”. Im talking about the nature of women. And it’s the nature of women “in general” so it doesnt account for the outliers and the weirdos. There are women who want to bang suicidal obese teenagers. Im not giving you advice to bang these. My advise describes how to bang women in general. I seriously doubt other alphas are going to disagree with any of the stuff I said in that thread. But let’s have it:

8:33 AM

a) your way is the best way for rivelino to bang hot girls, since you know his strengths and weaknesses Hot girls dont want Rivelino. Rivelino exist only in your head. Hot girls want to bang high value, strong, assertive, dominant men. If Rivelino can become that man, then hot girls will want to bang Rivelino. There are many things Rivelino can do to be such man, behaviors, attitudes, beliefs, skills, and intelligence. All can be adquired.

8:33 AM

If you want to bang hot girls without doing any changes to Rivelino, then you still have to do some work but it’s in the opposite direction: you have to find where the market is. Just like the obese suicidal teenager who wants to bang some girls. I’d advise him to stop being an suicidal obese teenager. But if he cant or wont, then he must find the segment of girls who want to bang him, just like he is. There are ways to do that. My perception is that he shouldnt, though, because any hot girl who wants to fuck a suicidal obese teenager has issues. Women are wired to want to fuck and procreate with the top alpha men. Dont trust any woman who rejects that wiring: shes broken. She’s as broken as a man who doesnt want to fuck hot women. There’s something wrong with him.

8:34 AM

======================================= " Do you believe your way is the best way for men to bang hot girls, since your way is the most naturally alpha and dominant" Women want to fuck the top man. Women make it easy to the top man. Chase the top man. Please the top man. Women want to run away the beta men. Hate the beta men. Use the beta men. Exploit the beta men. Discard the beta men. Women want to ignore the existence of Omegas and anything lower, they just feel creeps and want to puke in their presence. When you pick GAME, AKA, “how to demonstrate high alpha qualities to a girl so she’d want to fuck me”, you can pick many variants of game depending on your personality traits, but its always about conveying high value, always about portraying and being a high value man, a top man, an alpha. You can understand that POSTURING is more work than just BEING. So my advice will always be to BE rather than FAKE, and that if you’re going to put a lot of work into Game, do it in a way that you actually become the thing you want to come across as, instead of keeping your current persona while selling something else. Because that gap between real vs imagined value will drain you. So yes, being the actual alpha is the best way to do Game. The second best is probably Niche game, or, if you like BSD then do BSD, or if you are a suicidal X look for suicidal X. Again I’d recommend about it because things get ugly the more far you get from the straight biological line that nature set for you. (edited)

8:35 AM

==== I meant: Again I’d recommend AGAINST it because things get ugly the more far you get from the straight biological line that nature set for you. (edited)

8:35 AM

====================== Yes, it’s better to kiss the girl before bringing her to your apartment. Specially if you want to have sex with her. Yes, it is possible to start escalation when you’re at the apartment, but you’re setting the game against you. In my experience, girls that I kissed before bringing them to my apartment, I had sex with them in 90% of the occasions (another 5% happened in the morning, or the next date) While girls that I kissed once they were in the apartment, I had to overcome more barriers, turn cheeks, girl saying “I should go” and bullshit, I had sex 10% of the time or so. Why? because if the girl kissed you and then you tell her to come to your apartment, she understands sex is going to happen so she warms herself to it, she works herself into it, she anticipates it. The girl that you didnt kiss but you take to your place, she also anticipates that you’ll try to make a move, but she’s not sure if she’ll like you, like your move, etc (worse if you actually advertised the escapade to your place as a “safe” space, aka no sex at all we’re actually going to be doing OTHER stuff). Which means barriers up, doubts up, and rational side of the brain on. As opposed to thinking with her vagina, which is how you want her to be thinking about you. Then the question becomes, why do YOU prefer not to escalate into kissing and heating things up before being in your apartment, and the question reveals your frame, which is offset from alpha, and the weakness that results from that. Which women smell ten times more than I ever could.

8:36 AM

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8:37 AM

The reason the Mystery Method is codependent is because he is – he’s a guy chasing a narcissist and trying to turn rejection into approval, through a maze of false signals and manipulation. PUA stays persistent in the face of rejection, playing until the last minute in a glorious underdog uphill battle, and then getting sex is a validation of all that work. Thing is, for most men that is exactly how dealing with a woman feels. For a beta or lower, dealing with a woman is dealing with a narcissist. Ah fuck. For every man dealing with a woman is dealing with a narcissist. Except for attractive men sex comes first, at the beginning, and all the negotiation is about the woman offering goods and planting seeds for a relationship and demanding more investment and commitment. It’s NOT about the man chasing the woman for sex. So Mystery Method is right but it’s wrong.

8:37 AM

In the natural order of things the woman chases the man. If this doesnt resonate with you, you still dont know women. Every woman is chasing a man. Most likely the same man most other women are also chasing. Mystery is oblivious to this. PUA doesnt understand this. In pickup, when a woman likes you and offers to you easily, that’s like a random gift from the universe that doesnt mean much, doesnt increase your PUA pride, doesnt count. What counts? the girl you wanted and you did a thousand little things and adjustments and chased and obsessed and manipulated the whole world and then you got. Read about codependency.

8:38 AM

-- Check this: The neg. attraction Comfort Seduction It contains perks of wisdom but overall is bullshit. It doesnt account for when a girl likes you – do you understand? And when you’re an alpha man, an attractive man, every girl likes you, go deeper: Women are attracted to qualities and behaviors from the top dog. Anything and everything that comes from a place of authority is attractive. Let’s reveal the true nature of things here: (edited)

8:38 AM

=========== THE NEG The reason why the neg works is because superior people talk down to inferior people and not the other way around. So take everything that comes from the same place of the NEG. Talking down, passing judgement, patronizing, making fun of, disregarding, cutting contact, breaking rapport, indifference, independence, also violence, rudeness, mistreatment, irresponsibility, prepotence, not giving a fuck, being spoiled, making a public scene, demanding, being the center of attention, talking over you, and these turned into more affirmative: giving orders, commanding, expecting yourself to be pleased, putting yourself first, “just doing it”, self amusement, not being controlled by the social expectations, not being restrained, etc. Anything and everything that comes from the same place of the Neg, which is, “a being superior than you” is as powerful as the neg. The neg as an opener works because it’s demonstrating value quickly, but all of the other stuff is as functional, and when you do all of them at once it becomes something that is “coherent”. If you’re in a place and you start talking to a woman, you dont “have” to neg her to convey you’re a superior being. Your body status can convey the same. You passing judgement over something, positive or negative, does the same. Making a face and saying “what the FUCK is this music?” is perfect for getting a laugh. But see the next one.

8:40 AM

============ ATTRACTION Attraction is nothing but this: a woman interacting with a superior value man she’s attracted to and trying to measure to see if he’s the real deal. This process is a lot of fun for the woman since that’s what they are wired to do. It’s equally fun for them if the answer to the question of you being a real man is yes or no. They will be happy either way. Attraction, on your side, or “running attraction” is nothing but demonstrating high value in the form of attitudes and behaviors. Which becomes something like this: Loud club, cute woman is passing you by, you make a face and tell her “what the FUCK is this music?”. She laughs? she’s yours for taking. She comes back with a test, like “I LOVE this music what are you talking about”? Then she’s not convinced yet so you double down “well OF COURSE you love that look at what you’re wearing!” to which she’ll punch you in the arm and call you a jerk then she’s yours for taking. If you fail to convey coherence, or if you’re not coherent, then you’re just rude, but rude from an inferior caste, which will have the police or whatever other authority send your way. I got kicked of places for not knowing what I was doing. So attraction is, basically, teasing the girl with a carrot. You just have to know what the carrot is. More on that on the “Seduction” phase. (edited)

8:41 AM

========================== COMFORT The worse about the PUA method is putting attraction vs comfort as being two distinct things, because the PUA reality is of an inferior man pretending to be a superior being, so comfort becomes about relaxing and showing their real selves and pretending to care, from an inferior place, which means putting the woman on a pedestal. Comfort is nothing but “making her feel good” which is nothing but validation. Validation of what? Stop for a second and understand where she’s coming from: You have a woman who saw a guy who was acting like a superior being, or talked to her like he was a superior being, negged her, made fun of her, ignored her, or is out there independent to her, and she’s trying to figure out if he’s the real deal, and she tries to bring him down or figure things to see if he’s the man or not, and this is making her get exposed and vulnerable, it’s using her valuable social time giving a window to this guy. She is chasing the seed making herself vulnerable and weak. Is she doing the right thing or not?

8:41 AM

The superior man is “risky”, “dangerous”, “cant be tamed”, and I said comfort is validation, which means in this context, when this dangerous risky man makes her feel safe. That is the pay off that validates her chase. Are you about to jump of a cliff? say “trust me” and take her hand. Do you understand? Taking her hand and saying trust me are not comfort if you’re not jumping of a cliff. Comfort is when she’s taking a risk and you make her feel safe. Comfort is when she’s dealing with you and she’s mad because you teased her or she’s calling you a jerk, then you say “ohh come here” and pull her in. Comfort is when she gets confirmation that she’s a valid individual in the right path and getting validation from you, feeling safe with you, because you provide a path to safety in your dangerous and unpredictable kindgom. Comfort is not something you offer so she offers you pussy. Comfort is a reward you give for her chase, acknowledging that she’s taking a risk, and making it easier for her. A lot of guys (like Riv) start talking about family illness and drama. The Daygame video guys start interview mode talking about rational things, where do you live? what do you do? where is your boyfriend?. That’s not comfort, that’s playing a beta. Betas are not “comfortable”, they are asexual, asexuality is not comfortable. You know what’s comfortable for a woman? a big dick just when she wants it the most. Which brings to this:

8:42 AM

=================== SEDUCTION Seduction is nothing else but giving the woman what she wants, and this is very simple. First you need to be a superior man and have all these attitudes ingrained and naturalized, all the good and all the bad that comes with it, from body posture to giving commands to throwing tamtrums to bitching to laughing to self amusement to authority to humor etc. That must be your natural state. Second you interact with women, tease them, but dont destroy them. You treat them gently with your monster claws. You treat her gently with your monster jaw. You could destroy her, in a second, because you’re that strong, but you dont. You could bully and abuse her, but you dont. You have the power, you could use it to bring doom to her and to the world, but you dont. You’re dangerous, but you offer her a path to safety, you offer your hand just before jumping – or not. You can also jump and then tell her that you expected more from here – you can stretch things like that, but then it will need a bigger payoff for her.

8:43 AM

Anyway. I start with who you have to be as a man because Seduction is nothing but giving the woman what she wants. Which means she has to want you, at least enough to want to figure you out and chase you some, or otherwise there’s no seduction for you. If she’s not trying to figure you out and chasing you, then you are the one chasing her, you’re seeing her back, you’re doing pyrotechnics to make her turn and see you, which never works, it just never does, because that’s not what a superior being does, which means even in the best case scenario (it’s not a good case scenario but let’s pretend) that she takes you, she does so not because she’s turned on by you and wants to keep you, but because she wants to use you and all the things you’re offering. But I digress. Seduction is nothing but giving the woman what she wants.

8:44 AM

Which translates to this, as a technique: When something works you do it more, when something doesnt work you do it less – without EVER losing center of how you got here, how you are, and what you want. You said “what a shitty music” and didnt get a response from here, keep moving. But if her eyes shine and she laughs, keep doing it, keep pointing at shitty things. If that’s not it, switch to music. If that’s not it, let it go and move on. Every woman wants the same monster dick but they want it in different flavors. You need to be able to give the woman the flavor of dick she wants, so it becomes a monster dick with a plus, just for her. If she’s sad, comfort her. If she’s fun, make her laugh. If she’s angry, side with her or bounce her back. Whenever you’re dealing with her, there’s something she will respond to and most things that will be invisible to her. Your job is to press buttons and see what she responds to. Then give her more of that. But not give in a beta way, but in an alpha way, this is something she IS working for, and you reward her with validation. It’s the joke with the punchline. It’s the orgasm and the climax. It’s the tension and release.

8:44 AM

There is a man that she will die chasing for and abandon her life for. Who is that man? that’s what you’re figuring out while you talk to her, without asking the question, but seeing to what she responds to. You roleplay with her, does she respond to it? make jokes, does she respond to it? you talk about a subject, does she respond to it? Women in this regard are infinitely self centered so they only respond to the things they are already into. So you must first be the thing they are into, and then give them more of that.

8:44 AM

========== CLOSING So after about a year of doing Mystery and PUA crap I got a hold on the principles. I call it “Game Everyone” and “Find Out If She’s Fun”. Get a life where you can be an alpha dog. If you’re in a job you dont like and life is treating you unfairly this is impossible. You need to be winning in life so you can be winning in a congruent way. Become the alpha dog whatever that means to you, but align with it. Then you treat everyone from there and you learn how to be the alpha dog in every situation. Most of the time it wont be much, it will just be. It will be just you stand and how you ask for things. Then when dealing with people and women – do you really care about where they are from, where do they live, the job they have? what do YOU really care about? for me and for this context, it’s actually a different question, is: “are we compatible?”. The way to know that answer is to run compatibility tests by talking subjects, roleplaying, passing judgement, taking sides, making fun of something, getting closer, getter farther, invading the personal space, making boundaries, touching, creating space, increasing the tension, making a safe space, it’s all a game. How you play that game is what defines who and what you are. Let’s call that “social skills”.

8:46 AM

-- So this is not something that is turned on and off, this is “how you are”, so this is how you deal with everything, everyone, all the time, no facades, no games, no posturing, just you, from the throne you built for yourself, figuring out everyone else and discerning friends vs foes vs allies vs fun people vs boring people. When you’re there, a lot of girls want you. Most that you can take care of and that’s part of the charm. You dont deal with all that attention by doing four stages of bullshit. All is already assumed. When girls want you and you deliver what they want, all this can happen very quickly. You can “seduce” a girl ins 30 min, the same girl some beta has been chasing with chocolates and “comfort” for three years, and you have her in the bathroom or a spare room asking for more dick that actually feels comfortable, instead of just pretending.

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========================== More on the “give them what they want” Think of a stand up comedian. Or when you’re doing a job. Or training on the gym. Some things work better than others. In PUA world they call it “calibration”. In marketing is A B testing. In conversation it’s about picking subjects, telling stories and following up what feels right. In seduction it’s about being the high value man and giving her more of the flavor that she’s responding to and less of the flavor she’s not responding to – as long as you’re comfortable and coherent.

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--------- Once I was at a house of a girl I was “seeing”. She told me that any guy that was going to be with her had to like Lil Wayne. I told her Lil wayne was a dwarfy with horrible autotuned music. She got mad and ignored me for a while, so I ignored her back and talked to other girls who were all giggly. We had nasty sex that night but I knew it wasnt going to last – she was looking for a man to submit to her opinion of things and she would bitch if she wasnt pleased. She was american btw. After I stopped asking her out she would say she missed me, to this day. Another time I was at a coffee with some other girl from Canada, we were there because I invited her after she had asked for my facebook a few days before but we were not vibing right. Then I mentioned a band and her eyes started shining and I found out she’s a fan of some obscure band, so we shared some music stories. Then I stopped her when we were leaving, kisses her, called a cab, and banged her the whole weekend. Then she turned to be a feminist (fuck canada) and I sent her her way. A year later of so she still wanted more. So in the first case I didnt have what she wanted (the lil Wayne adoration) but I still responded from a strong alpha frame and I escalated things up which meant she wanted dick by the end of the night, and in the second case I did have what she wanted which was some music and life compatibility, which I took to scale things up.

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-- The worse stories are about not doing, or trying to give something to the girl that she’s not asking for. For example I was going out with a 18 year old who said was a virgin. We were at my place watching a movie and she got all hot rubbing her pubis against me, and I was all gentleman and told her that nothing was going to happen, that se was safe with me. What a moron. Of course 5 mins later she was uncomfortable and wanted to go home. Things ended after that. What did she want? dick. Or a man that passes through the virginity barrier she’s creating but teasing from the other side. I thought I was providing something good by being a gentleman, when a proper man would have just take her pants off. Most of the pick up / seduction mistakes come from not giving the woman what she wants when she wants it. You have to understand what this is. Women are fertile ground protected by some barrier shit. Under the barrier they want things, but they dont ask for them directly. What they do is open the barrier to let your qualities through, then they have to close it to process things. When a woman opens, for a second, to receive your qualities, that is her most vulnerable moment but also her most perceptive. Failing to convey high status when she’s vulnerable is puke-inducing for them, like a hit to the stomach.

8:51 AM

There’s a short window, and they try to hide it, where they lower barriers and they take initiative in taking you in. That’s why you must be always on. Always be a pushing force, so whenever she opens your qualities reach to her. It’s just like the sperm and the egg, or a dick trying to get into the pussy. If she opens and you’re not there, if you’re not hard, if you’re not ready, then the whole thing collapses and she closes again, probably for good. That woman looking at you, suddenly gives you “that look” and you turn away – she’s gone. She’ll never give you that look again. That woman you’re dating, you turn all beta, she’s gone. Women give so little shit about you. All the shit is given to the top man. So you must be always on.

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Living is a roleplay In the best case scenario you pick a roleplay that lets your core nature be expressed Instead of one that supresses it

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=============== Look at the roles, pick the character that is over powered and has everything on his favor Pick the ruling king Dont pick the underdog Dont pick the warrior that must prove himself, dont pick the worker, servant, outcast That is the choice Start by figuring out the final role, then start being that role NOW

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== The act of acting through that role will give you the feedback loop and a compass to make choices Things that are not visible as long as you stay in bottom guy role / lenses and try to "say lines"

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The path to success is 1) Dominance 2) Go for openings 3) Ignore walls (by going for an opening), or punish them (by passing judgement/ walking away) Understanding what is an opening and what is a wall Or what is an obstacle and what is an opportunity What is 'easy' and what is 'hard' These only come to life in your mind once you set the path of 'what you want' or the 'best possible outcome you can come up with' So you set your mind to something, that's the compass Then on the way, some things will make that end result easier, and some things will make that end result harder or not possible Take the things that are favorable and avoid / reject the things that are not, or destroy them if there's no other way to move forward The path is - there's an end goal, you go from opening to opening without crashing on the walls In t he case of seduction / with girls, the girls are telling you, exactly, all the time, what are the openings and what are the walls So it's a no-brainer once you put your compass on the right place The reason most guys (even guys in game) don't get it is because they are doign what I call "solo dance" They are trying to bang the girl but not paying attention to what the girl is communicating (edited)

12:06 AM

Guys are trying to 'sneak in' into sex with the girl are are more concerned about dealing with her possible rejection, than they are interested on making the girl horny So if the end goal is sex, the openings are the things that make the girl horny And the walls are the things that don't But this whole thing is about life Why - The things required to be able to universally bang girls Are rooted in biology It's a particular skill and personality trait These are THE SAME that you need in life to become a top guy winner The result is - the top alpha men who rise above their tribes, also have the skills to handle women Because it's the same skillset So the losers, at the bottom of the tribe, don't have the skillset to climb in hierarchy, and also don't have the skills to handle women Because its THE SAME THING Now there are ways to climb in society that don't grant you the skills - like, you can climb by being the subordinate worker of whoever is above you Work really hard and slave yourself and then someone might give you approval and push you up in the hierarchy, as a tool for their own benefit That move doesn't work with women Except of with a few ones - the ones that use nice guys for their self benefit So

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So what you need is to add x1000 dominance into your personality, set to the best of your ability what you want, the best outcome possible for any desire you have, and go for it. The act of going for it is "leadership", and as you go for it, invest your time and energy, or 'double down' on the things that help you, and reject, avoid, ignore, push aside, or destroy (if necessary) anything that slows you down If you get this to your core - women are easy, because they are really, really, really easy As long as you are the one with the set of traits that they open to If you don't have the traits, then they are all impossible

========================= "I'm just trying to understand what exactly do you mean by escalate on arousal " The fuller picture is Escalate on arousal, don't escalate on walls Reward good behavior, don't reward bad behavior Punish bad behavior, don't punish good behavior Take the openings, not the walls What does this mean - The girl interacting with you, is screening you What does that mean? she's throwing you little games to figure you out. She's assigning you roles to see you perform And you should be doing the same So the girl will give you both openings and walls What does that mean She will expose for you the things she likes and things she doesnt like She will expose the things that turn her on, and the things that turn her off And so should you If you're operating on a screening frame, which means you're trying to figure her out 'getting to know her' 'finding out of she's fun', then some things will click, and some things will not What is a 'click' That's when both of you share a common arousal point What does that mean This is the same as when you're meeting a new male guy, and start talking shit, then find out you both like something or share an opinion or a team or anything, and then the energy instantly rises Get a few connections, a few clicks like that, and you both start roleplaying as 'friends' So there you are 'escalating' on these spots, towards friendship The sexual courtship is built on that same model, but towards sex, and the female screening is more brutal / black and white So you are either In or Out with very little gray areas Now

8:30 AM

Why do I say 'escalate on the arousal' When guys want to bang a girl, they are already in YES mode and no screening present whatsoever This is the same as meeting a male guy and deciding that you're their friend without getting to know them So you go from topic to topic and act like things are important and escalate and do roleplay stuff while the guy is "what the fuck dude don't even like what you're talking about" The courtship dance - just like the friendship process, relies on escalating, creating more shared energy put on these 'clicks' that happen when you both align If you're meeting a guy and he's fully into being an Anime nerd and you hate anime, ranting with him about how much you hate anime nerds wont make you his friend So there you're escalating on a wall Or another way to phrase this: giving the guy what she doesnt want wont make you his friend So when you're talking with the guy, you can't be "YES I WANT TO BE THIS GUYs FRIEND" You can approach a new guy in a friendly manner But you cant be "IM YOUR FRIEND" If any guy comes to you out of nowhere with "I AM YOUR FRIEND" your gut instinct will be to shut that down Now, in sexual courtship, that's what Im calling the "YES GUY" and all the behaviors that come from this approach are intrinsically unattractive Now -

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The main distinction between friendship and the sexual courtship Is that friendship happens in a mostly horizontal hirearchy - you're the same on something Your'e allies, you belong to a tribe In sexual courtship, you also need to belong to the same tribe on some aspect, but it's a directly vertical hierarchy You must be above, and she must be below For the 'click' to happen Having the same likes in music means shit Liking the same movies means shit Hating the same political party means shit Whatever you share with her, it can't be the same You have to be the authority on it, you have to be above in it How is that done? be being the judge on it This is where the 'passing judgement' comes in play Here's the same placement, from two different places in the hierarchy === BETA BOY: Im a democrat, I like hillary and I find Trump a bit reprehensible ALPHA STUD: Fuck trump

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=== BETA BOY: I don't condone everything Trump has done but I tend to be more conservative than leftist, sometimes the left is gone too far don't you think? ALPHA STUD: Make america great again, and fuck the left, it's full of pedophiles ==== STRONG opinions and STRONG judgements come from being above in the hierarchy This also answers your question of the other day if the TG should be all loving and accepting: NO TG is the leader of a tribe, and the enemy of the outer tribe The girl will pick the tribe she wants to belong to Then hunt for the toppest male in that tribe And screen all the guys till she finds one -----------

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So the sexual cortship is built on top of the normal human screening, adding sex What does that mean It means that you have to roleplay the male, and she has to roleplay the female You dominant, she submissive You leading, she following You're a rock, she's like water You firmly move things in a direction, she lets things happen magically You're responsible, she's not When you're in the sexual courtship with a girl, all these games are presented, a succession of minigames where one or more of these pre defined setups are offered The way that this looks - The guy pings or initiates contact with the girl The girl reciprocates with either an opening or a wall If an opening, the guy does more of that, takes that somewhere, creates something new, builds there, this is 'escalate on arousal', 'reward good behavior', 'do more of what she responds to', 'take the window' If a wall, then the guy ignores the wall, moves on, or punishes the wall, depending on what fits. What the guy doesn't do is give more energy / affection / rewards to the wall, nor take the wall personally like it's a rejection to HIM. This is not about him, this is about HER. You're finding her pussy, you did something that didn't reveal her pussy, now you know where it's not, go try something elese When a YES guy tries to get a girl - Because the YES GUY is a BOTTOM GUY in real life, the guy goes to position himself in the same tribe but BELOW the girl What does that mean

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It means that the guy is doing the feminine dance instead of the masculine one The guy gives the girl openings so the girl takes the lead The guy molds his opinions to the opinions of the girl The guy wants that things happen automagically and doesnt want to be responsible or in charge The guy gives hints instead of being commanding and direct The guy doesnt know what he wants and his desires are depending on the directions from the girl, his desires are 'muffled' under many layers of confusion, pending on external factors But at the bottom of that facade (it's just a role) the TRUTH is still the pushy, masculine identity, trying to fuck the girl So this is literally a wolf, masquerading as a rabbit, and offering the rabbit to the girl The YES GUY may be totally self identified as a rabbit since that's the day to day reality But at the core, it's still a male, so it's pushy and direct - just self castrating This is where "desire + restraint" = creep So, when the YES GUY courts the girl The YES GUY / BOTTOM GUY places himself under the girl, and offers her options, and asks her to be the male, take the lead, and fuck him From that perspective, when the girl offers windows of opportunity, or openings and walls, the YES GUY only sees noise Why is she not taking the lead? Why is she not making this happen? Why is she not telling me what to do? The girl may literally put her pussy on the YES GUY face, but because it's not a command, but an 'invitation to lead', and the BOTTOM GUY doesn't have leadership or initiative in his personality traits, the guy doesnt see it The girl may be giving him all the opportunities to bang her, if he just leads - and the guy thinks she's rejecting him

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Or, the girl may be toying with him giving him walls and obstacles - and the YES GUY may think that the obstacles are the ladder to bang her So how you fix that Escalate on the openings, don't escalate on the walls Reward good behavior, punish bad behavior Go for her arousal, not for her non-arousal Be the man, let her be the girl Be dominant, let her be submissive Be confident, let her be insecure Take the lead, let her follow Be direct, let her do her hints thing Take the openings Know what you want Go towards what you want at a firm confident pace And when you're getting to know her - it's about finding out if you're compatible Which means you go through a sucession of games where you're the dominant and she's the submissive and you lead and she follows and you place yourself and her in a male to female sex position, you above her, you leading and she as your copilot It's a cooperation Just like when you're making a friend So it's a screening process You go from A to Z, from hi to sex, through instances of 'clicks' where the dominant / submissive, male / female dynamic was stablished Till you're both turned on and ready That's my recap

======================== From Flatlander Nicknames are dynamite. They signal many things 1. you don't care about properly addressing her, therefore you are above her. 2. you notice something different about her (light validation) 3. you are a playful, cocky, inventive mofo 4. if original, they create a secret club between you and her. 5. naming things and people is God's work

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6:50 PM

When a top guy / dominant guy wants a girl, desperately, he becomes more dominant When a bottom guy wants a girl, he becomes more bottom The desire of the girl is not what's causing you to go down below her Its 'a game' When an insecure person gets in front of an audience they get more insecure When a confident person gets in front of an audience they get more confident The audience is not where the confidence / insecurity comes from Or Your issues have nothing to do with women Fix your issues where they are Women are the easy part

For real

================= Start organizing events [for anime and playing games, parties, doesn't matter], be in charge of the social group, make it your job that everything runs fine and is secure, get in the deals with the owners of the spaces, so you're the liason between the event and the building or whatever and you're the one in charge When people have complaints they come to you When people are happy they come to you When someone misbehaves iits your final word to kick them out or nott You hold the respoinsibility and the power You're the boss NOW If you're the boss, and you're confident, you'll likely do better than if you're the boss and insecure Here, the confidence is a tool in function of the role You will do a better job when confident, so the confidence gets ingrained into your operating system The goal is not "I want to be confident" but "I need to make this work" The need to be operational evokes confidence When dealing with trouble people, and with follower people, you deal with them from above Can be in a friendly manner, but you're not all 'equal' THIS is where TG operates So it's not "Ill inflate my ego and be super good and feel confident" The confidence only matter when it's ingrained with you competence of being ABOVE of the social group Confidence is tied to being the boss, as it's a function of it It's not the result of you being good playing a game That type of confidence is tied to winning / losing The confidence of being the boss belongs in place with being the boss The above is true for any other hierarchical position THAT is the hack you can start doing that will accelerate the whole thing Go for opportunities where you can be a boss And when there, focus on being above in the hierarchy, also internally Learn what that feels like Make it part of you

9:57 PM

its not a skill Its a frame Being GOOD at it is a skill But it's not a skill How much practice and skill do you need to go to a restaurant and get food?

====================== "Communicating that Im in pain / angry at her so she treats me nice and accepts my invitation" That's a mummy issue Likely your family is fucked up And you're like an orphan and carry the abandonment feeling And now you're using that system here In fuller picture - you are not acting manly So you come to the girl as an asexual orbiter Then get into beta rapport zone Then want to switch lanes into sex That type strategy is more similar to a fat girl's strategy than anything male based Then, while in the interaction you dont lead, you give the girl openings If the girl doesnt take the openings, you get passive agressive and nag hard That's also woman - like That's akin to the passenger of the car nagging the driver But unable to take the driver seat and leading to the destination And emotionally - it's the cry of an infant not being nurtured Angry baby not getting love That's your setup right now Now - the angry baby not getting love, these games wont work with girls Because they DONT CARE You are not going to get the positive closing loop with that behavior (your mom is the only roleplay that can do that) So what needs to happen is that you turn things around

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------------- You drive the car, the girl is your passenger When you want or dont want things, instead of communicating your emotional state so the other person reacts, you communicate direct orders You need to understand what is the final outcome that would make you happy And go there yourrself Instead of communicating your pain so the other person acts because of 'care' And leading towards the outcome Instead of giving openings and opportunities so the other person leads you there its a pole reversal You have to flip the games and be the adult The time for being an angry baby has passed If you have these unresolved feelings and lack the behaviors and roles, there are ways to solve these and learn the new skills Dealing with a girl is NOT the place to learn those and the old stuff wont help you there, ever

=========================== The tribe The tribe is a pyramid At the top of the pyramid there's the king ============= King King allies / court Women Beta male Outcast men / creeps / slaves ============= When the woman is screening for a man to mate with she's aiming up If you are 'equal' to the girl where are you in the pyramid? Well you can be in the 'beta male' range at best Which is still below hers If you perfectly calibrate that you're at the same range value as her She is still looking UP So youre BELOW her desired range ==================

================================= Anyway - when you deal with the girl from the proper frame she opens, always Why - because this stuff is hardwired In all the instances above what Im doing is going for the opening and avoiding the walls And when there's a hierarchy play I challenge that, put myself above and her below This is, figuratively, the same as fucking Both the girl and you are finding your positions When the position is fine, the cock and the pussy are in position too What you cant do is let her take the lead and become her follower, because the girl is screening for TWO games at the same time In one game you're the Top Guy she will fuck In other game you're the Bottom Guy she will use for non-sexual needs (or will just kick you out of her nest if there's no other use for you) So when you give her the lead, half her game is there to screen you out She'll lead you there And you'll be 'out' while thinking 'how the fuck this happened, I did everything she told me" "I did everything right" Yeah well, you FOLLOWED HER into your doom Why - because you were not LEADING HER into your own victory Does this make sense now? =======================

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Start everything with "What do I want" Then evaluate openings / walls and lead there After you initiated in the direction you want, she'll react Her reaction will either be good behavior or bad behavior Where good and bad only relate to where you want things to go, aka what you want Then you reward and punish Use that as a roadmap In this case, you see her, you say hi like nothing happened, because that's how you want things to be If she follows that lead and acts like nothing happened, then you reward If she comes with drama and baggage, you punish Makes sense?

12:17 PM

And this would be totally different if you wanted something else. For example you could want to make her ashamed for blocking you. This is up to you Then the roadmap would be different ========= "What do you want" is the compass "Walls vs Openings" is the path to take "Reward vs Punish" is how you handle her =========

The point is there's nothing much special about dealing with women. ... Dealing with women is not the battle. Youre having problems with women because you're not in the actual battle ====================

TRYING TO GET IN is death You escalate / lead when you see an opening No opening? don't move further That's "dont smash against walls" Nash has made a sport about pushing against walls and trying to fuck her through resistance When you do this right, the girl never has to say NO Because you never move forward unless she's going to say YES This also creates a pattern between you to where she always says YES and never says NO This in another language is - you're always in the masculine leading and she's always in the feminine following you HOW can you do this? Go for openings, not walls Focus on her arousal In this Nash case - he went and pinged the girl / likely flirted = Good Then he perceived the girl wasnt that much into it, he didn't push forward, let her go. This is "dont" push against walls = GOOD Then they met again, he didn't chase, he's creating space. This is "dont go for walls" which also means he's not giving her further attention, etc, this is "punishment" or "he's not rewarding bad behavior" for all intent and purposes, this girl is now expelled from his tribe, she's not worth more investment, she went down in value The above is TG-compatible, the girl sees TG Then she pursues him WHICH IS THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS

TG is less work than all the usual PUA filling the gap routine to chase the girl "No opening? don't move further" (edited)

2:26 PM

So what can you do when there's no opening? you screen for one HOW? Well first you need to understand what you want from her, or, how would you like her to be with you? less serious? less stiff? or more playful? what type of behavior do you want from her? what's t he vibe? where do you want things to go? Then you can ping her / tease her / make her into a role / start a fight / do a roleplay / neg her = incite her into actioN OR You can "swing your dick" which means you do things on your own in front of her and pay attention to what she opens to. This can mean telling a story, passing judgement, doing DHV stuff, being social with other people in front of her, etc "showing your value in front of her" - MAX RSD does this often When you see that the girl opens, then you move further The girl doesn't open? don't move further You never go blindly into the girl hoping to not find a wall, never "make the ho say no", never push past the limit (unless she's offering it to you), never try to fuck her where she doesn't have a pussy And you never let her get away with placing herself above you (shit tests)

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12:11 PM

There are two paths basically You can be a drone and do the minimal necessary to get by Do as told etc Be the BG of an employer But only in office hours And get by That's most people You get a salary, an increment once in a while And that's it If you take that path you don't need to take something you're passionate about Keep your job boring and safe and have interesting hobbies on the side Work the whole year then get 2 weeks of vacations a year Nothing wrong with that path if that's fulfilling =========== The other alternative is to compete and climb up That means going for opportunities and growing This is more money but also more risk Now - this requires that your identity becomes your job It requires that you put an extraordinary amount of thought and labor and time into perfecting your skill This is IMPOSSIBLE if you're not in a field that really resonates with you You're going to be wanting out all the time and lose

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The kicker is that if you're doing it for the money - you wont put your time into it Because you want the money to escape Contradictory impulses

================================= Paralyzed about your options and what to do with your future? Stop browsing openings and thinking about them Here's how I sorted this back in time List 5 to 10 things you MUST get done before you die Now assume you're doing them ALL Now pick the one you're going to do FIRST And do it The problem with the other approach of looking at all the possibilities is that you make the fight against each other and doing one means not doing the others Instead assume you're doing all the important ones, all the desires will be fulfilled But you still need to do one first The one you want to do first, is the current winner This above is also how you should approach girls btw it's abundance vs scarcity Even the one you're doing is not THE ONE, is just 'the one now' (edited)

======================= Alpha and Beta are both personality types, AND social ranks in our tribes Just like we talk about leaders / followers, bosses and employees, dominants and submissives Masculine and feminine The reason I don't talk about Alpha and Beta that much and instead opted for Top Guy / Bottom Guy, primarily, is because there's a lot of pollution and baggage when talking about alpha and beta, everyone distorts these to fill their own narrative Betas distort it to make that Alphas are uncaring assholes - check @DaysOfGame_com own narrative about it Alphas are bad! Im good! Alphas are uncaring assholes! says Athol Kay etc Betas can love you, girl! Now - TG is this An Alpha who is both Alpha in personality, and Alpha in the social ranking, AND is used to it and skilled at this position Or, it's social positioning + dominance + winning

========== Why interacting with someone new? what makes you do it ========== Here you are man, asking about talking to hot girls and admiring Nash skills on talking to girls But then I ask you WHAT DO YOU WANT WHY TALKING TO PEOPLE And you go blank See @🐉⚔🎋 Edermask 🎋⚔🐉 How common is this shit Here Sloth =============== You see something you want, or like in them And you want to experience it You see the hot girl and you feel sexually attracted and that moves you towards her and ultimately what you want is sex See an interesting person, that moves you towards them and ultimately what you want is a relationship / friendship / social advantage with that person At the core, the above is WHAT YOU WANT Now What happens is how you deal with this from that moment on There are roughly 2 paths You put yourself BELOW like they have the value and their value is absolute and your value is determined by them, so you're BELOW and they are ABOVE and you try to get in, try to sell to them, try to be accepted, try to qualify tot hem so they accept you in their tribe OR You put yourself ABOVE like you have your own value and your'e evaluating theirs, and their value (to you) is determined by how much you like them, so you SCREEN for the things you like - which are the things, whatever they are, that made you want to start interacting to begin with The above is the difference between being BOTTOM GUY vs TOP GUY Or SELLER (bottom) vs BUYER (top) Or extrapolating these to other scenarios, its FOLLOWER vs LEADER, SUBMISSIVE vs DOMINANT

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When you ask "what should I be screening for" the answer is in yourself, it's "what do you want from these people to begin with" You and @🐉⚔🎋 Edermask 🎋⚔🐉 and Phil and @SpaceY and every other guy has the same problem here, because When you are in BG you are not in control of yourself and what you want So what you do is you move closer to what you want and you let the other person take control Or, you go into passenger, or, you go below So you go there to be evaluated, you try to perform, you try to be liked, like a dancing monkey, like a puppy looking for an owner Selling something and trying to impress The PROBLEM with that Is that women are HARDWIRED to REJECT YOU when you operate like that WHY? Because women are naturally attracted to the opposite archetype So as long as you're in BG you'll only take the game advice to "dance more like a monkey' which means you can spend years to decades in the same bullshit trap Like NASH and other gamers

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So WHY are you in BG mode? what happened to your capacity to lead? It's this: Comfort Or "survival instinct" Or You are used to actually get what you want, or enough of it, by being a passive pussy passenger coward .

11:23 PM

You're comfortable in your current scheme Changing it is ricks *risk That's why I pointed you to the Becker video By "Not knowing what you want" you are able to be invisible and a passenger and take shapes Knowing what you want would force you into action and into a leadership role on the forefront Which is risky in comparison So that translates to being a woman You go into the situations giving openings and trying to make others take the lead So you can follow Well man I was like you Why? Because this isn't "you" This is A FRAME You're in it's habitat Its a frame, a role, a game, it's predefined That's how you can share it with @D] @dr.T or @SpaceY or @Wick or @Deleted User or @T Diddy Because its' not "you" it's not personal All you are different people but play the same game, versions of it How come? it was predefined There's this thing that happens in men and hierarchy When you're small and you're paired with a stronger more authoritative form, you "submit" and go into "slave" mode Or "passenge rfollower mode" Why? because that's a good thing for the species, some men lead some follow The "leader-follower" dynamic is predetermined So you're in "follower' or "submissive" or"passenger" or "BG" mode If that's the game you've been playing for a while you identify that as "you" But if that's you how come all the other guys do exactly the same shit? Its not you it's a game By being a passenger you can enjoy some of the rewards and survive while being 'safe' The problem with it? The problem is: what happens when the other more authoritative force you're submitting to, is actually against you? What happens when you're a passenger, but the thing you're a passenger of is going in the wrong direction - is not going to where you actually want to go? This is the dissonance that I trigger when I ask you - and pretty much every other guy here and elsewhere

11:23 PM

WHAT DO YOU WANT The problem with that question is that it's dissonant with the game you're playing As a submissive passenger pussy you are not in a direction that you set - you're below or aside something else that is carrying you and you have no power over it And starting to voice your actual desire creates conflict with it - it starts to take you out of the frame Now If you're ok living your life as a passenger submissive fetal pussy, more power to you and remain there And lets hope whatever is dominating you from the outside is gentle OR if you actually want to be born as a man and be a fucking king and get what you really want WAKE THE FUCK UP There's no in-between And hint - Women drop their panties for the leader type, and not for the pushover pussy type Also in terms of rewards (money etc) the submissive type is pretty much screwed everywhere Check your options And make one

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1:17 PM

The REASON why you are alone in a room THINKING about the situation, is that You are AFRAID to MOVE So the act of doing it plays along with being afraid All your thinking comes from fear All of it is in the wrong frame So you're just making the problem worse So even if you could actually preplan the whole thing The act of wanting to preplan is fear and wrong-frame What you need is the ability - the real-time SKILL to act in the moment That means your IQ has to be free and able to make desitions in the moment On site Second by second That is a SKILL You get that skill by DOING If this was tennis - you get the skill by playing it. Not by thinking before the match

1:18 PM

The whole problem is that you are not doing When you start doing, thinking stops being a problem

========= Its not about being stupid or smart Its about frame Your frame rejects it @Sloth frame rejects it too So even though I present it again and again - it's being wasted on a wall The wall is there to protect your identity So likely you look at it and dont see it / see a blank space then it gets washed away Why - because we filter for useful information The information is deemed useful when it helps us get what we want Because you all bunch of losers are in bottom frame - then you only deem useful what's useful for bottom frame So all the actual knowledge gets washed away You're not the frame Frame is a tool

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10:56 AM

Alpha / Beta / Omega are personalities but also slots in a hierarchy The are personalities because the slot in the hierarchy triggers / favors specifics traits and punishes others So a guy that is consistently at the top of the social hierarchy is rewarded for alpha traits and punished for omega traits So alpha is the 'natural' way to operate there Also a guy on the bottom of the hierarchy is going to be rewarded for omega behaviors (basically, suppressing himself) and punished for alpha behaviors or even beta behaviors People in a beta, middle of the hierarchy position are rewarded for supportive, team-work, nurturing behaviors And punished for self centered, leading, front of the line So The hierarchy is an invisible external structure but when you operate there, it punishes / rewards certain type behaviors When you're born / raised in one, that becomes your default base personality Also if you have a biological tendency, that makes you go towards a slot in the social hierarchy where you can manifest yourself I was born and raised as omega, but always trying to go up - so that was my specific recipe and my conflict Other people are born and raised in an alpha environment but have self-suppressing tendencies, so they try to bring it all down Other people have a tendency to be in supportive / nurturing roles (like most women) So they tend to go for beta positioning and avoid leadership Then you have hard-wired dynamics Like there's a very specific way in which each slot treats and feels about the other slots Omegas being universally disliked, specially by women Betas being used by higher ranks And higher ranks being more selfish etc So that's the map

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Now where the fuck do you place GAMMA in the ranks? I don't see that part Is it a personality? yes But in personalities there are many, many many variations A gamma would be - a guy who wants to be at the top but is too comfy being in the Beta safe zone And is playing by the feminine manual And has MEN and masculinity as the "other" tribe So he attacks the top man like a woman would, Secretely wanting to be that man But doing it in a feminine way so he can never be that man Something like that

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10:06 PM

Im not against daygame at all Im against doing daygame TM But Im pro doing "game during day" If you see a girl somewhere doing day that you like you should talk to her But the setup where a guy is generally lost and unattractive, and his strategy to get laid is to hit on thousands of girls and get thousands of rejections, without ever getting any real feedback from the situation to improve, and maybe banging 1 girl in 200 if he's really lucky, getting phone numbers and burning many leads and going to some dates and getting rejection after rejection even when in bed That is INSANITY All that energy and effort should be put into fixing the issue That is making you unattractive to being with

======== ANNOUNCING It's when you verbalize something that you could be doing already, and you put it put there as a way to get validation and permission ===========

Before you put things in motion, you don't have feedback loop So everything exists in your imagination Thats where the most pure 'irrational confidence' lives Or irrational lack of confidence Same place Thats you / me before taking action In the case of the BG guys thats they not being able to imagine being attractive for example Pingin @🐉⚔🎋 Edermask 🎋⚔🐉 Now If you desire things, and you do You can get really ambitions with what you want And want big epic things, like I do The more hunger, the more you want more of what you want The more your confidence needs to rise up in you The confidence is a fuel that you'll use to take action All this before happens before the feedback loop Confidence as fuel This comes from within you, and this is how you me and people take or stop taking decisions To move, get jobs, etc You either feel like you can 'make it' or not This is purely emotional and irrational And is the most pure and attractive form of confidence Why? because it comes from within And its "you"

1:04 AM

After the action is taken, then there will come the feedback loop Lets imagine that Im a tennis player, I get up in the morning and say "Im the fucking no. 1 of the world" and feel revitalized I go play and I SUCK I end up disqualified in a second So the feedback loop of the world tells me I stink What hapens then Options 1) I refuse to take the feedback loop and I stop playing, to be able to keep saying "Im the no. 1 of the world" without having to confront it. This would be pure "delusional confidence" but without action. Or, my choice of not taking action is an action, but one that makes me a coward. People who do this avoid having to perform because they cant 2) I align myself with the feedback loop and now I am a "loser", get depressed, quit tennis This is most people 3) I keep the feedback loop telling me Im a loser, but I also keep my confidence that I can make it, now the confidence gets hyper inflated to be able to defeat the loser feedback, this results in me training triple as hard, because Im confident I can beat that loop, even thought the loop is telling me otherwise. This is the winner, irrational confidence mindset So that's your 1-3 The 3's bang the girls The 1's too but get screened out fast The 2's are most guys and can't bang anything The PUAs would be similar to the 1;s Just project it, but don't perform Krauser "in a rock band" That's a type of delusional confidence that is broken in the sense that it refuses to be tested The refusal to put it through a feedback loop shows that it's based in fear and proper self delusion Now, the 3rd, can maintain and increase the self confidence to be able to strive for a result that doesnt exist yet So it's the first step in the dance It's pinging the outside world to initiate a feedback loop that is compatible with the inner reality Its' the type of frame that changes reality Instead of a frame that is formed BY reality So, that

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10:41 AM

"People who shape their own reality = TG" Yup People who have their confidence come from the feedback loop Guys like that, even if super successful (elon musk) Will find themselves FUCKED when interacting with a woman Because half of her dance is to tear your feedback loop down To find out who you really are This is why and again why you can't use a woman as your guidance Or as your feedback loop if you're in follower mode This is also why banging girls cant make you happy You need to be already there Once you're already there and you don't need a feedback loop to validate you, because you are the origin of the feedback loop and you can create it on demand THEN women are a piece of cake If you're trying to be validated through women, sad luck They cant But if you're already validated - then they come to tell you that you're so validated Makes sense? Women go with the winner If you're not a winner, if you have holes They are forced to put pressure on these holes to see if you crumble If you crumble a little, they need to put more pressure This is why your confidence, in seduction, needs to be self sustained, or IRRATIONAL Not based on anything related to a feedback loop that includes the woman You are there because of YOU And if she doesnt want to play along, she can go fuck herself

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11:04 AM

Beyond I dont want / I want - there's the positioning All the "I don't want" come from BG Which is why you hear these louder The "I want" is in TG, so that's why it sounds quieter Now, by following the "what I want" until it's manifested, you can land in TG for real Did you want to write explanations to the painter? Did you like that he called the plaster guy? Did you want that he made you want for a long time for the price? Do you like to feel upset and disturbed till late hours? Etc Or, even though you are going through this situation without letting the painter screwe you over, the fact that your'e "forced" makes the BG be in control still What happens when you're not forced, but you embrace being the boss How would you do this the way you really want There's the path

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================================================================================= You have to let go of the BG rulebook ========================= 1) I don't want to cause discomfort That goes away, it gets replaced by 1) I cause discomfort intentionally to the people who are not behaving in the way that I want. AKA I punish bad behavior ======================= Then ==================== 2) I am reactive and the things I do are not my fault Goes away, gets replaced by 2) I am active and everything that happens is my responsibility and initiated by me (edited)

11:05 AM

===================== Then ==================== 3) I must explain myself to others and be accepted in order for my identity to be valid becomes 3) I don't have to explain to anyone why I do what I do, and my identity doesn't rely on their understanding. ================= Then ==================== 4) I am below others, below circumstances, below the internal, below the external Becomes 4) I am above, others, above circumstances, above the internal, above the external ===========================

11:05 AM

How does that apply in Luc's case? Luc has an issue with the painter guy who is abusing him, by breaking promises, not communicating, and operating like Luc's has no boundaries, and refusing to engage in the manner that is already pre-set by Luc being the client and the painter being the service provider The painter is violating that game, pushing Luc's boundaries, producing discomfort A pure BG reaction to that would be to "take it" and adapt, look for the bright side, close his eyes and think of london But Luc chose to "pursue what he wants" and enforce his boundary But without letting go of the BG frame, that means violating many of it's directives Enforcing his boundary and going for what he wants means causing discomfort So Luc is in internal pain, and he feels below it Luc repeats to himself again and again "I have no other choice, I am forced to do this" which translates to "Im not operating on my own volition, this is not my fault" "Im just a passenger of the situation" Then looks for approval of his social circle so they validate that when you're just a passenger and victim of the circumstances the only thing you can do is to act in the way that Luc wants to act So his own leadership is muffled and hidden between the tribe His owns self disappears in it And is "blameless" Then before he fires the painter, Luc talks to the plaster guy and offers him the job and gets his commitment - this gives Luc a 'safe haven' to go to escape the pain he'll feel with the painter Also the plaster guy serves as extra validation for the move The exit plan

11:05 AM

And then when Luc finally contacts the painter, he puts the painter above of himself by giving explanations and a reasoning why he's forced to make the move "this is all you did, so here's what I do" - putting the painter as the cause of Luc's decision Thats the passenger talking to the driver Then the painter of course is an asshole and sends a single "?" back, breaking rapport and negating Luc's need for closure, the painter is likely narcissistic and wont give Luc the satisfaction of admitting blame. Then goes to create drama with the plater guy!

11:05 AM

========= This is also why narcissists and codependents match - The codependent is a passenger putting blame in others, and the narcisisst is a driver putting blame in others, too So the codependent is riding on the narcissist wave, blameless of all the bad shit happening, while the narcissist creates the wave and blames the codependent - the codependent is trapped (and loves it) by trying to explain the narcissist that he's to blame for everything, and the narcissist gets a captive passenger that will put up with everything and makes him (or her) the center of the universe So Luc's story is like a toxic relationship, told by the side of the woman ======= How would this look if Luc was already firmly in TG frame? MUCH EARLY ON when the painter started to exhibit unwanted behavior, Luc would have fired him That's it There's nothing else to it How would he have fired him? by not giving him the extra job or whatever Or would have fired him in the middle of the job How?

11:05 AM

======= Me: Hi painter guy, take your things and go, you're fired Painter: why? Me: Go Or you can tell the guy what he did wrong if there's an attempt to fix things on his part, which is unlikely given how he handled being told that he did something wrong So likely this guy wouldn't even ask why How to handle this if Luc suddenly becomes TG? or what if the situation with the painter started when Luc was BG and now he's TG and it got to the current setup The exact same really Me: Hey painter guy - I gave the job to someone else, I'll ping you in the future if I have anything else for you Or Me: Hey painter guy, I went with another vendor, cheers Or Me: Hey painter guy, don't come next week you're fired Or Me: Hey painter guy, don't worry about that estimate Im hiring someone else to do the job Etc. Doesnt matter =========== This is a minuscule task A TG is telling people what to do and solving problems all day A bad worker / non cooperative player will reveal themselves very early on, and get screened out immediately ============= In seduction - this means you dont engage with the girl any more, dont call, dont pursue, just move to the hotter more compliant girl Instead of chasing and working it out through resistance (edited)

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11:07 AM

And of course, all of the above translates that if you're a BG pushover on your daily life, then you'll be the same with women. You need the actual life skill to be able to handle women

=============== About "high quality women" drT: "Maserati (female) doctors can’t be controlled. I want one" That's an idealization If the maserati doctor is a WOMAN and feminine, which likely you want She will be looking for a more dominant / successful man And she'll be looking to be submissive to him So either you're putting successful women on a pedestal Or you're looking up to women higher in the social hierarchy who are out of your league And you are misinterpreting their relative social position with their personal attributes This above btw is something common in men / puas etc = The girl who rejects you is not more pure / pristine / has better standards / is closer to God Her rejection / being out of reach doesnt mean she's closer to your ideal It means she is closer to her own preferred flavor of cock It doesnt mean that she's closer to your own ideal and that you need to reach your own ideal to get her It just means that she's got access to males upper in the hierarchy and flavors she cares about right now Within that sphere, she behaves just like the girls who are below you

7:49 AM

You can determine if a woman is "high quality" when you're in a relationship with her, or / and when you see how these women handle their relationships and their family

7:50 AM

Plus how well she takes care of herself and the people she loves

7:51 AM

That has very little to do with "success"

7:51 AM

And when you say you want "woman who can't be controlled" basically you're stating you want a woman who will try to control you and do so successfully

7:52 AM

And has a cock bigger than yours

7:52 AM

All relationships are hierarchy

7:53 AM

And last, "control" is the female form of dominance, you shouldn't be looking into controlling women

7:53 AM

Lead, don't control

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11:07 PM

The main difference here is that while control will go and nitpick and make things fit and nag and do surveillance and keep lists of infractions and be invasive and non-trusty Dominance will assert the rule and expect YOU to follow Dominance will set the law and rely on the submissive nature to play along From the bottom perspective - Dominance pings the submissive nature While control pings your "cant help yourself" nature When a woman is controlling you that is interpreted as "she cares" And when a woman is dominating you that'll make you feel "small" Dominance triggers the desire to follow Control triggers the desire to let go of your own identity Or in negative form - you also rebel to dominance and control in different ways Just like you rebel to your mom and dad in different ways To your mom / control is "leave me alone" To your dad / dominance is "I don't need your rules" As a personality disorder, a BG will be configured differently too. If you're raised by a controlling mother / father basically you can't do anything on your own And if raised by a dominant mother you're likely to turn gay And a dominant father, fuck you may end up being a natural

Unless he's overdoing it then you'll be a "yes guy"

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11:20 PM

To close on the dominance / control thing, @dr.man mentioned BDSM Note that there's no "control" in the name of that thing And BDSM people - fuck that community, but check this The submissive is the one with the safe word So while the Dominant one is in power, the Submissive one can always do the magical safe word an stop the game. The submissive one is always in CONTROL Control is the feminine to Dominance

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10:07 AM

============= Sloth: Should I control my aggression instead of just letting it blow up? ============ When you're angry, letting the aggression out is like the cry of a baby You're "letting it blow up" which creates a disturbance in the immediate exterior What you're trying to induce is that someone out there sees you're in pain and takes care of you A tramtrum is a desperate call for an adult to take charge And to please you Still, letting the aggression out is a notch better than suppressing it and going SAD Here's what you have to do to climb up Run the scenario on your mind - you're in a bad spot and feel angry, and you want to let the aggression/ anger come out Imagine you put it out, all of it What would happen NEXT that make things ok? Do the people that wrong you change their behavior? What would you get? What would happen after you lash out, to restore order? That "happy ending" is "what you want" And here's how you climb into TG ASK FOR IT Directly ask for it The map for BG / passenger goes like this

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======== A) Suppresses desires and tries to please and works and hopes to be noticed and get what they want by osmosis as a reward, gets sad / demotivated if the prize doesnt come B) Gets increasingly sad / angry, the anger comes back to the world in passive aggressive manner, gets into fights so the internal discontent is a price to pay for others. The expectation is that this pain will have to be recognized so someone else takes charge and makes things right ================= The dance between A - B is female and is the natural state of women all the fucking time Its the natural state for BG as well Its the natural state for kids Its the natural state for workers, followers etc A GOOD LEADER can make the above happy If A GOOD LEADER rewards the work put in, and sets clear boundaries for what good behavior is, then the person above can fulfill that role and please - in order to receive what they want for the higher source A good leader being the TG of course Now, this is how TG does it

10:08 AM

============== ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT Then reward / punish as needed +============== Lets say that like in your example, you call some place for food, they forget your order, you're hungry In passenger / BG mode, you can communicate your pain / displeasure / stress and ping their adult and maybe they will take care of you If you're aggressive maybe they'll want to skip the trouble and please you If you're in too much distress you can even cry Women do this all the time Kids do it all the time What will come back from the world? what's the subtext request? That the person who had to make your food CARES about your distress, and in consequence.... what comes next? focus 1) They apologize 2) They make your food and make it well 3) They give you a discount or maybe even give you the food for free 4) This never happens again You are, instinctually, demanding for the above by communicating your pain The TG operates in a segment of reality where you can just ask for the above Directly So instead of communicating your pain and expecting that the other player gives you what they want because they care You skip that circuitry and tell them what to do - no care involved You don't need that they care You need that they do what you want them to do Like this

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========= TG: Hey, I called for this food an hour ago and it's not done Employee: Oh we forgot / lost the call / whatever excuse TG: That's not acceptable Employee: (more excuses ) TG: Look - go make my food, I want it done now, and I expect that you'll give me a discount or give it for free since you messed this up ======= Now after this request, the employee can submit or rebel If he submits, reward If he rebels, tell them to call his supervisor, and repeat the same thing When they dont want to do what you ask for, call for the authority directly above them If the manager doesnt want to fix your issue, ask for the number of the owner Now, the game is not supposed to run forever It's not that you'll end up calling the president because you didn't get your food in time, you precious snowflake Pick your fights But the framing is that all the authorities in the world you may need to call, all of them are below you WHY? because the food chain is there to serve YOU They are service providers, you are the client, and they did do mess it up Structurally you can't lose this fight Its rigged If they don't comply and wont fix their bug - then you screen them out. They lose YOU as a costumer, plus your extended circle If they insist in this behavior they will lose everyone else too eventually Its rigged Structure they are rigged to serve Which is different to being rigged to CARE But behaviorally they will also care Unless all of them are also BGs who are being exploited and are angry and passive aggressive

Which is usually the case too In your story you lashed out at them and they lashed back at you - that's a case of 2 BGs fighting. You because mommy didn't give you food, they because mommy doesn't pay them enough for them to put up with your shit Just order them Tell them what to do Reward them when they do Punish when they don't Makes sense?

========= So what is PUNISHMENT for? What is the punishment for? it's not to get what you want, that's sorted already Its not trying to get in, so? What is the intent behind communicating that they screwed up?

Hard to see I guess Here man TO KICK THEM OUT Of the tribe They don't belong in the same space you operate in So are not trying to get what you want from them anymore You want them gone Punishment is not to get in It's to get rid of Its an actual punishment Its not a request in a disguise Its firing the employee Its lowering their salary It's putting them on their place Its calling the police Its not calling that girl again Its walking away Its not a threat that you'll do something and it's not a communication of your displeasure so they care and then do something Its an actual consequence Its you inflicting pain on them The pain is ON THEM Not you

=============== ON THE FAILURE OF ACCEPTING DEFEAT the failure to accept defeat and need to declare victory in defeat is BG to the core, not alpha and not TG Why Defeat is a wall Who doubles down / escalates on a wall? If you are losing but declare that as a victory then you'd do more of it, right? Who keeps pushing in when losing and losing more? And declaring that a win? Daygamers come to mind Thats BG and by Vox's hierarchy it's gamma Here's what alpha / tg does Plays the game, takes the wins, leans from the loses Capitalizes on strengths, fixes or works around the weaknesses, to maximize the wins, and minimize the failures To do that both things need to be properly identified But the BG / Gamma doesn't know what winning looks like So he declares victory when losing And will come with stuff like this "My weakness is my strength!!!" Just like when you say "Im contrarian and I love it" Yeah you might be missing the mark and performing at 15% of your actual potential, but oh yeah that's fabulous! that's just how you wanted it! the joke is on the world! you just came so hard! Contrarian and blind following have something in common = you're not in charge You are SO STRONG for being a nagging passenger uh So you don't end up where you want, and nobody also wants to take you anywhere! But that's a victory!

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=============== ON CONTRARIANS Contrarian is a guy who'd like to be in charge, minus the determination to being responsible for the consequences So the good aspect of it is "im not a sheep" The negative aspect is "Im still on the sheep herd" Lets say contrarian is a normal step on leaving the herd before making your own or going solo Its the sheep in the middle of the crowd saying "fuck this" If you have 'contrarian' as a personality trait, then it goes with you. That means you'll be looking for tribes to belong where you can play the counter argument If you take that to relationships, that'll make you pick girls you fight with To business, same, ruptures and crap T: How to develop cojones to being responsible about consequences ? Find what the desired outcome is. What happens if your contrarian argument wins Then go there yourself That's the flip Same shit I've been saying with 'what do you want' T: how about when people question your leadership? The way to handle that is that the people questioning your decisions are below you If their advice is valid it's taken in If they are just sabbotaging you kick them out And there's accountability, but that just means that the score is being kept, the good and the bad decisions are kept on your track Which is great because that's the map to win more Like I pointed above Win / loses is what reveals how to win more Then there are strategies, that I outline on the courtship stuff To maximize wins, don't go all in and make the ho say no Instead, do small investment teases, see what resonates, and invest / commit more / escalate when you're going to win This is the same in all fields

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============================= KMAN SAYS A contrarian is naturally into somebody else's frame, doesn't stand for anything but is just in opposition to someone. A good example of this is the streamer and "amazing debater" - Destiny. The whole contrarian thing has to go if you want to get anywhere.

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11:03 AM

. HOW ABOUT GIRLS WHO PUT OPENINGS AND WALLS IN THE SAME PLACE? Normal girls put their openings and walls far from each other I like rich guys - don't like poor guys I like confident guys - don't like insecure guys Girl likes netflix and beer, doesnt want big mall full of people Etc When she gives you an opening its real and when she gives you a wall it's real too Then you have the psychos By the way - Mystery is a codependent and he was courting narcissists So most of what you see about shit tests is about dealing with narcissists in the original Game stuff Which also explains why Game is full of codependent guys trying to climb on rejection So - these more Narc girls The wall and the opening are overlapped The girl is not content to having her needs covered She wants to see HOW the guy deals with obstacles at the same time, meaning she WANTS TO SEE YOUR EFFORT in getting her. The fantasy that she's above in value and you below her must be satisfied before she considers you a candidate for her pussy, and this fantasy is carried along even during sex and after -------

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A normal girl will give you her real number OR a fake number The Narc girl (I'll call her that) gives you a riddle for her real number, or the real number incomplete Or the real number shuffled A normal girl wants you to pursue her, or doesn't want you to pursue her If she wants you to pursue her she gives you an opening, if she doesnt want you to pursue her she gives you a wall She says yes to the things she likes and no to the things she doesnt A Narc girl is shuffled, keeps her cards hidden, and wants to keep you confused for maximum exploit So she will give you an opening that is a wall And a wall that is an opening A normal girl will say "I have not had pizza in a month" and that means she wants you to ask her out for pizza Here's how it plays out =============== Normal girl: I have not had pizza in a month Me: I know a good place, lets go sometime Normal girl: :-) ================

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Here's a narcissist =================== Narc girl: I have not had pizza in a month Me: I know a good place, let's go sometime Narc girl: I don't like pizza ==================== Or she can say that she prefers sushi, or complaint about the place, etc Here's the base for that type behavior ==================== The narc / exploiter / crazy bitch / girl who puts walls in the same place she puts her openings, is doing this: She provokes you into action by giving you an opening, then IMMEDIATELY punishes you by getting into action by nitpicking, adding obstacles, giving you more hoops to jump through, assuming a higher hierarchy than you etc =========================

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So while a normal girl gives you an opening because she wants you / wants to fuck / is aroused A narc girl gives you an opening because she wants to do a roleplay. The roleplay is that you really want her and she's out of your reach The roleplay is that you're obsessed about her and she entertains your chase because she's amused by it The roleplay is that she's on a pedestal and you're beneath her The normal girl will play the above game SOMETIMES because it's in the repertoire The narc girl will play that game ONLY And the consequences of playing that game differ When you play the bottom guy chasing higher value girl with a normal girl, EVEN IF she started that game with you, you 'lose' and she cuts contact. On the opposite spectrum when you play that game with a narcissistic girl, SHE DOUBLES DOWN and wants more of it Or, the more you chase the narc girl, the more openings she gives you, the more traps to stop you she gives you, the more she tries to get you in motion, the more she tries to stop you. The goal of that game is not sex, it's the fulfillment of her self identity You are food to her GAME as done by Mystery, it's the art of banging that girl Then occassionally landing a random 'normal easy girl' but these don't count. Hey she gave you an opening, you 'fell for it' and banged her! that's so rare, doesnt count Mystery was screening for psycho bitches Anyway There's a way, a very easy way to handle both types of girls A way that works with both See what I did with the girl from Flat What did I do? screen it So instead of going all in and trying to take on the opening, I keep my above position and ask her to show her hand Sample

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=================== Girl: I have not had pizza in a month Me: How come ==================== Or =================== Girl: I have not had pizza in a month Why is she saying this? options are she's giving me an opening to eat pizza (and her pussy), or she's giving me a trap to see if I offer myself as a service provider to her. Both type girls can do the narc dance, but only the girl that I'd fuck would say this as a real opening (I don't fuck psycho bitches). So I throw my screening, asking that she reveals her hand Me: How come ====================

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Her response will show me what's going on, is this an opening or a 'trap' for me to invest so she can rebuke And it's an act of screening, why I don't give a fuck about her pizza My question, my intent, is to filter the girl who will offer pussy because she wants cock, vs the girl who will hint at pussy then run away because she wants to be chased So my question is a qualification for the type of girl she's being with me So observe the girls When they give openings, what happens when you follow up on them? do they give more openings, or do they switch to walls? Then there's a third group of girls somewhat The "Nitpicky" ones They have walls and openings on the same place as well But it's about perfection " I want a confident guy, but not uber confident" "I want a guy with a sense of humor but not too clowny" "I want a tall guy but can't be a giant, also not smaller than 183cm but not taller than 185" "I want pizza, but the medium size, but from this specific restaurant, but hot, but not that hot, but the cheese needs to be melted, but not watery, omg that waitress gave me a bad look" This is somewhat common and fits more the 'princess' type These are 'hyper feminine' and what's going on there is that they are always in a nesting mode The way to deal with these is to being hyper masculine Me: Shut up, we're eating sushi Me: behave Me: brat

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The above also fits in the 'token resistance' type When they see what they really want, the alpha uber man, they let go of their laundry lists And all the mini walls go away and they start behaving more like the normal girl The princess girl will try to have everything perfect and diluted into her very specific laundry list but then not be fully happy with it - the magic of the big cock monster guy who can kill gods and fuck her in bed the proper way, gets neutralized if he submits himself to her endless requests for perfection So with her you can 'push through token resistance' and punish walls freely How do you know you're interacting with one like these? look at the girl When she gives you an opening and you follow through, does she add more DETAIL to what she wants, while remaining on the same place? In comparison, the Narcissistic girl changes topic, opens an opening in a different place (so your run farther), blurres lines etc, plays hide and seek And the normal girl just says yes and is happy =============== A lot of guys in game were raised by narc parents (mystery included) so their map if fucked When you have the narc / codependent game as a base, that's the game you offer girls to play while courting them, so you end up filtering FOR the crazy bitches, and filtering out the normal and pricesseses in favor of girls who "make it hard but never give" ============

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The Narc Game I described above is how most girls deal with beta orbiters From T "Dont wanna go the whole way but don’t wanna give up either. Just keep playing the game and get the rub from a distance" That's every girl with every beta orbiter ever The girl will be kind, kind of open, friendly, smiley, requesting favors etc, extracting what she wants or needs, from attention to support to money, to whatever But then set WALLS if the guy tries to move further The main difference here is that the normal / princess girl will do that to beta orbiters, without ever hinting at sex The normal princess considers her presence in the relationship to the valuable enough for the beta orbiter to repress his animalistic urges and just enjoy the friendship She's so much above him that she sees that situation as win / win She gets whatever she wants and the guy gets the pay off of helping her That's every fucking woman ever To the segment of orbiter / below / beta men When / if the guy gets the balls to escalate / bait and switch into sex, then the girl puts a WALL to that and tries to remain / save the friendzone "Our relationship is too special to be ruined by sex" Or "you're like a brother to me" Etc

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The girl wants to keep you there This is different to how the narcissistic girls do it - because they SPECIFICALLY try to arouse you sexually To then PUT WALLS TO THAT Its about maximizing your desire / putting you in motion / accelerating your investment So they can take / consume whatever you have to offer And then burn the bridge after having pillaged your town A narcissistic girl will only fuck you if she's gaining something from it - something other than sex And in these cases, the narc girl will fuck you EARLY and QUICK because it's bait She's trying to ensnare you for some other bigger plot / needs She'll bang you without you having do do much, she'll love bomb you and so on She may want to give jealousy to someone else, or to get married and have kids and eventually you as a never ending ATM or service provider or something Or she may be really horny and that's it But its never as a result of the chase you put in, so the joke is on the beta / codependent men who try Anyone who falls for her trap is discarded / chewed up eventually, the more you play her game the more beneath of her you are Courting a narcissistic is a self degradation trip

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You don't 'create' more desire You ping the desire that is already there The girl is already wired to like something That's something you have no influence whatsoever on Just like you're wired to like something, and the girl has no influence whatsoever on that either Or no amount of 'fat acceptance' pressure is going to make you find a fat woman attractive unless that's your thing already So everyone's map is already written The only thing you can do is satisfy existing needs And be satisfied or not in yours The courtship dance / sexual dance / seduction, is the process of screening if you and the girl have what the other person wants Assuming the girl is normal, aka, not lesbian, likes men, is feminine etc Then you can have a few things for certain - that she likes masculine men, and men above in the hierarchy, and confident men, successful men, manly men, etc That's the generality, she will want a man who is above in the hierarchy and behaves like a man whos above in the hierarchy AKA TG But then she's also wired for the smaller stuff Does she like sarcasm or goofy humor Romance or action Being fucked in the ass or pussy, blowjobs or titjobs Single or triple penetration Adventure or conventional Vanilla or BDSM

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What's her desire / what DOES SHE WANT Now the way this works, is that when she sees something she wants, she OPENS more to it So she can experience it more When she sees something she doesnt want, she CLOSES to it, so she doesn't have to experience The above is what I call OPENINGS and WALLS The stuff is pre-written in a way that it matches the masculine frame so you'll react to that in the way that you normally react to openings and wall sin real lifes If you're a coward, you see an opening and back down If you're used to conflict, you'll see a wall and push into it So when you interact with the girl, first it starts on a broad sense, MALE to FEMALE and TOP GUY to her BOTTOM GIRL If that is matched, then she opens more and gives more clues about what she wants Literally EVERY SINGLE WORD that comes from her mouth in the few interactions, is the map of how to fuck her She lays it out all out The girl tells you what she's into and what she's not into, aka openings and walls The more you go into the openings the more openings etc, the more you miss the openings then the more walls etc So, back to the point of pinging desire As a GENERALITY every girl who likes men want to fuck TG But because she's a special snowflake, she wants a specific

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flavor of it What specific flavor exactly, she will tell you all the time as you move forward The more you give her that specific flavor, the more aroused she goes Till she goes from maybe to yes fully Now all the shit about flavors, all are encompassed on the main generality TG A nerdy girl who likes nerds will fuck the dumb jock who is a manly man and lead of the tribe, before she fucks the nerdy shy guy who is in love with her Why: because girls start their screening from the top of the tribe, from the top to down By the time she gets to screen the shy nerdy guy, another guy is already fucking her She will skip the dumb popular jock at the top of the tribe for the second, third in the chain if one of them is also nerdy and into the same stuff as she is As long as the No. 1 guy is not into her If No . 1 guy is into her, her specific flavors disappear, for a while, enough for sex to happen Then she may recover her flavors after the guy moves on to fuck another girl

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Anyway, I digress So I'd bring back the pictures of the fat and the hot girl and put it back on you as a man You're already wired to like something If you get that thing, your desire goes up You didn't decide what you like All you can do is react to it Or, you have no fucking chance

========= is It REALLY dangerous operating from ABOVE all the time? ========= k, that question comes from bg frame and gets translated to this: "when I make myself visible I get attacked, so suppressing myself seems to be the safe way to go" "I can imagine all types of bad things that could happen if I was the one on the top of the hill all the time, other people would come challenge me, then things can go wrong and I'll be blamed, and unknown people will come with the wrong intentions" "why bother when I can just lay down and bite the cake when nobody is watching" right? Well man There are species of animals, and species of everything - some species have a DEFAULT behavior like that, that would be BG So you've got entire species that live off one frame or the other What Sloth is channeling when he says that line, is a specific frequency / slot in the hierarchy that Im convinced more and more is a real thing, it's the GAMMA that @King Kman brings up all the time At the end of the day it's not about what's safer and not It's about what the thing is, and what are the trade-offs Is is better to be a lion or a hyenna? Do you hunt your pray and defeat it on a fight? Do you wait till the prey is sleeping? Do you bite with poison then let it do its work? Do you challenge the prey to a 'fair fight' and then let the best one win in a battle with honor? In the context here, "whats safer" its the wrong question All these paths are dangerous In different ways

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And safer, in different ways What you need to do here is look at these options, then look at WHAT YOU WANT then decide what you're willing to sacrifice / trade off in exchange of what A man can live perfectly a life being a coward Forget about having women Or being realized as a man or making a lot of money or being successful or resting fully at night Seems like Gammas are full of hatred and have dark fantasies and stuff If you can live with that in exchange of that being 'safer' aight When I was omega it was 'safer' to remain there Bottom line - I think I got an angle now - SAFE is what you already know The TRANSITION from state to state is where the danger is, or where the danger is felt And rightly so, that's where you make most mistakes For a guy who's rooted in TG, its infinitely safer to be in TG than to switch to ploys and schemes Plus with TG comes power so you can get what you want Look at your smaller Grill with Friends scenario You took the risk and moved forward and played TG and got people moving It was SAFER to submit to the obstacles and to be passenger etc But then you wouldn't have been able to get what you wanted Are you willing to trade what you want, in exchange for the feeling of safety? And once you embraced TG there and made things happen, was the RISK worht it? I rest my case

================+ The sins of Game 1) Putting yourself below the girl 2) Following instead of leading 3) Missing or punishing openings 4) Pushing against rejection

========================= Banging the girl is not the hero path Its the reward for the hero path that you did somewhere else If you're the hero the girls are chasing you and making cues You're not a hero for sorting out the rejection of the girl and pummeling your way into her The thing with guys in the sate similar to @DaysOfGame_com is that they are not doing the hero path in real life and translated that to banging women, so they have no self validation and are relying on getting validation from women TDLR banging the girl is not the hero path, and as long as the girl is the prize, she'll make sure that path isn't worth it

============== TG COMES FROM ABUNDANCE? Its not abundance its hierarchy The abundance can be conductive to TG when you are not working for it So you'll turn into a naturally "picky" person and put yourself first, then eventually that can or not solidify as TG But if you're working for it, ABUNDANCE of people to serve just makes you more of a servant

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That'd be abundance rooted in scarcity The thing with abundance is that if you're up in the hierarchy, then women come to you, so you have abundance of that resource, so you naturally care less about each one, are less invested, you're naturally going to be screening which one you invest on So having abundance belongs in TG, if you get to a situation where you can have loads of women coming to you, that's a pathway to understanding TG But you don't need the abundance to be in TG - all you need is to treat women like they are one of many you can have So you screen and test instead of trying to please and beg You try to find if you are going to be happy and ok with them, instead of trying to prove them that you're worthy of them You come in as the client and not the service provider, the buyer and not the seller, or the ABOVE and not the BELOW And when you place yourself above, that's the masculine (KING archetype) and that makes them channel their feminine, which is what they like, so they get horny, so they open, so they do their part of "abundance" which is, they give themselves to you easy So the "abundant guy" gets all the girls Thats what matches in the behavior On the other hand if you approach the women as a service provider, below them, trying to prove yourself to them, putting them as your judge / ruler / client and selling, then that makes them go above, into the masculine, which they don't like, so they put walls to it, further pushing you down If you need to talk to 150 girls to get 1, by the time you get 8 concurrent girls you're magnitudes lower than when you started (edited)

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WHY IN THE FUCKING WORLD would a man pick that lower scenario by choice - it's either stupidity or a fetish If it's the only thing you've known, ok If you've been exposed to red pill... what's the excuse

+++ The thing needs to be balanced back with failure That's the PUA path (been there) You start trying lines, see improvement The improvement makes you cocky, girls turn attracted to you Success makes you think it was the lines, double down there All of the sudden girls are not attracted anymore Learn new PUA trick The emphasis on "how to get the girl" make things worse And the small windows of freedom "I don't care about the girl" produce the results All the emphasis on "how to get the girl" treats the girl as a prize and you as someone below working towards her That's the "paradox of game" which is not a paradox Its not that you have to be 'outcome independent to get the outcome you want' Its that it's a pyramid Top guy above, bottom guy below, and in the middle, the woman You need to want the woman from above, not below If this sounds impossible then your associating yourself with the 'below frame' and you think this is your identity - it's not, it's just a game

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So even guys like Tyler RSD, anyone talking metaphyiscal stuff and talking about outcome independence and self amusement etc, is still rooted in a 'below frame' and looking at women like they are above, and pulling magical tricks that come from 'above' to bang some girls but the situation is not sustainable Guys like Nash don't even try that and just want to do many routines from below pushing up and improving the deal to get a little better results, but oh my! all that thing seems to make things worse And on the other side of the world - all the 'naturals' and womanizers and dominant guys and anyone having success, is just 'naturally looking at women like they are below them' and behaving as TG, at least situationally Those jerks This thing is fucking simple You can argue that changing your life encompassing frame is work and not easy or bs But the situation itself, why things are the way they are Should be self evident when you look at it

========================= There are external hierarchies - that's a fact There are infinite hierarchies where you're not at the top That has no relationship whatsoever with you being in BG frame You can be below in social hierarchy and be TG Being the boss / being the contextual alpha facilitates being in TG Being at the bottom in a social contextual hierarchy facilitates being BG But it's still your choice You decide which frame you operate on If you're in an organization, being TG makes you go up in hierarchy fast If you start at the bottom, acting in TG frame makes everyone want to push you up in the ranks And other people at the top want to give you more power @Sloth imagine what'd happen if instead of being reticent to being in charge, you'd be the actual boss of the department and everyone would be doing what you tell them to, and being efficient, and HAPPY

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SO - If you find that the only way you can have a specific job is by being BG behaviorally - if you need to be BG for a job, quit that job or don't take it Cases: the boss is an abuser who needs a bg to stomp on Or the job is to be a boot licker Otherwise there's always a way to go TG in a role, even for stuff like SALES which is the wrong frame

==================== Say NO to copy paste game "what are you good for" is a line that fits this girl, who is bragging at being the best, and is explicitly sexual on her pictures, so my line is both a shit test for her self description AND and invitation to fuck Copying and pasting that line and throwing it randomly will give you shit to no results Don't copy the line, copy the modus operandi I take that you prefer to remain being a SLEEPING SHEEP but for fuck sake, LOOK AT THE GIRL IN FRONT OF YOU and do what I do Your desire to copy the line instead of looking at the girl is where the problem is So what am I doing with this girl? Im taking an angle of whatever she is presenting, Im contesting it BECAUSE I DONT LIKE IT and punishing her, but in a way where Im still leading toward sex With @dr.man 's girl who was also full of shit my line was "hi nerd" - not sure if she replied to that or not, T went shy on that online experiment For another girl a challenge / neg may not fit, maybe she'll open to a reward, or a flirt, or a hi, or whatever. LOOK AT THE GIRL IN FRONT OF YOU You can't go saying "hi nerd" to all girls Or you can, but the results will be 100% random Fuck random Wake up

========================== How to not fragment yourself? The way to not fragment yourself is "don't do it" The natural state of your consciousness / personality is raw, whole Then you divide it So what you're asking is not "how not to fragment yourself" but "how to return to unity" In Peterson's language, you're asking "how to return to chaos" In oriental stuff you're "returning to nature" In alchemy youre "going back to before the original sin" Or in what I've been saying here, "Letting go of the BG" "just stop doing BG" Try this With something simple, like grabbing a glass, pouring water on it and drinking it First try the normal way, just do it, because you want to Then try this: split yourself in to, pressure yourself, nag yourself into doing it, then do it while you complain that you have to do it, then swallow the water with disgust, while you tell yourself "take it little bitch" while you wish that someone would come help it and this would stop The later is a game put ON TOP of the normal sequence that is that you just do what you want And the later is what you do every day and every time you choose to act / identify as BG and act from there Now how do you stop it? That game is not just being done by you but also your environment and your life as you built it You have co-participants in that game When you meet new people you invite them to play that game with you And all your long lasting relationships are also playing that game with you Or, when you create a new relationship you're already split and you're asking whoever is entering your life to play that game, and to be your master / abuser To tell you what to do, to lead you around, to push you into shapes, to not respect you, to be your owner Who's doing all of that? you Why are you doing all of that? because well, you DO WANT that water And this is the game you learned, this is how you learned to get what you want So look at how I try to teach you and the guys here 1) "what do you want"

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so we go back to the source 2) "stop the bottom guy" So you stop the current game 3) "put yourself above" So you channel the other frame 4) "do it" that'd be the ctas, leading, intiating etc And what i've been saying for a while First understand what BG / TG is, then go in your life situation by situation and relationship by relationship and identify where you're being BG, and stop these games, kill them, let them be nothing,, let them be void if that's all there is. NOTHING will still be better than something that is BG Then find places where you can be in TG and embrace these The resistance you'll find is all the baggage and all the sunken cost and the attachment to the identity you have while in BG - that's most of your life But not ALL of your life This involves letting the BG personality go And it goes down unsatisfied and screaming But then that game stops and the energy is freed Or, imagine you're doing the game where you split yourself and nag you into drinking water, then you stop that and just drink water, or coke or juice or whatever you want, or dont, based on your desire and will And that would still not be TG, but that's the point where you can go TG Let me know if that makes sense

============+ Actor in the VIP area snorting cocaine off the boobs of seven underage girls = sexy. Normal dude outside of the club asking for phone numbers to the girls on the cue = creepy ==========

The BG will try to get the girl with tricks and filling gaps, so the date / meeting is ABOUT the location The TG invites the girl to spend time with HIM The location is irrelevant The BG makes it about the location and proceeds to sell it And escalates there So if the BG tries to be dominant, puts more logistics and conditions Its all escalation on the non important stuff "x location at N time, be punctual, dress this dress that, here more rules" Or "location is great blah blah you'll love it blah bla location location" Or if not the location it's the subject / reason for the meeting We meet with "this non sexual excuse" Like Flat above "meet to plan our escape" Meeting to plan the escape may sound sexy if you're framing it as you're escaping together, but its still LESS SEXY than meeting because you like each other With no other excuses In @SpaceY case that'd be the vegan cooking date, @DaysOfGame_com would be the dinner stuff And when you're operating there then you jump from logistics to logistics from excuses to the next excuse, that IF you're even leading "lets go to x place because they have food, then come to my place I have cheesecake" type thing Its the emphasis on the external thing you're using as bait But then when it fails, did she say NO to you, or NO to your bait? === remove the bait and just offer you Then you know

================= When I go to my client offices in Malta I get the internal instinctual ping of trying go give a good impression, not make anyone mad, etc "yes guy trying to get in" - biologically the body pushes you there "hey there's powerful people, submit and behave" But you don't have to follow that path When I feel that thing, I tell it "alright thanks, I heard you. Im going to remain on TG" Then I screen, tease, bust balls, tell stories, ask stuff, as normal The result: my multimillionaire bosses think Im the shit and everyone else is deferring to me and I walk around like Im a humble cool rockstar, while everyone is propping me up And the few secretaries are all wanting a piece of it In a 'logic' world that wouldn't happen, I'd be a drone, like the rest of the guys, and the actual bosses would be on top In the BEHAVIORAL reality though - these bosses are there for contextual reasons only The hierarchy is man made and artificial, all the game is make-believe And, Im making my own castle and sooner or later I'll be richer than they are anyway And we're all friends And what I mean by behavior reality - what would happen if we're all survivors in an island and the hierarchy is reset Would my rich bosses be THE MAN there? nope I would Or maybe they would also be THE MAN or be useful / valuable, outside of the current artificial setup. It comes down to behavior, how they act, which is a reflection of who they are and how they see themselves, which is more real in an interpersonal level than the external, contexual game we play in society =============== (edited)

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Funny stuff - If I go to a new place and there's an alpha - that's a plus I'll befriend the alpha Which automatically puts me at the top of the tribe without having gamed the room yet If the alpha comes to shit test, I shit test back Chances that I get pushed down: zero Why? because being pushed down is a choice And I wont make that choice Each shit test is a dominance / hierarchy fight, same with women and with men The purpose is just to rank people, this is done fast We're wired for this stuff If an alpha comes what he wants to know is if you're a threat, a foe, or a friend, or a follower, or what What I signal to the alpha is "Im a king from somewhere else, what's up bro" "hows it going in your land" "Anything fun to do here" "Which one is your bitch so I don't touch that one" "Wanna do a friendly dominance fight just for the laughs" "yeah Im sure I could take you down!" "Its all good though" The frame here is also "the cool guy" A cool guy is: someone who is ABOVE is hierarchy, and is friendly With power, but laid back Relaxed, instead of tense If I see super hot girls and alphas I relax BG instinct is to tense up

========+ The girl starts at the top of the best pyramid she has access to And that never stops And she's got Tinder and everything else When you talk to her, wherever this happens, you're being ranked among ALL THE MEN she has access to So this thing that you're approaching her in isolation is an illusion You still need to beat all the other guys Always =======

That doesnt happen anywhere period In T's mind, because the top guy alpha is up on the tribe and attractive, that means he can't move and is a passive victim of the status and only has access to what's given to him While the bottom guy of the tribe is a free agent and can go places and do ninja moves So the politic girls are going to be climbing the tribe and be plain looking so that's what the TG will bang And all the hotties are free for the BG to snatch them That view is so fucking clueless and delusional it requires T never ever goes out to see what the real world looks like It's like something he pulled from girlschase ------- In the real world the hottest girls climb up in the tribe easy and FAST Helped by the TG guys pulling them in AND the losers beta dudes pushing them up TG pulls them in - Betas push them up And anything 'rogue agent' a BG can do anywhere, the TG can do as well and be a million times more effective "Hi" on the street by a guy who has the TG vibe is a million times more effective than a super clever snappy pickup line from a BG who's out of the know-how and doesnt have the vibe Or, it's the who not the what The what is only important in that it reveals the who

============== Time to sex = 1 min? Thats what it takes in the rockstar trailer The thing with the 'rockstar trailer' is all the context for that

12:17 PM

The rockstar trailer put on the street with the rockstar pinging random girls passing by, is not the same setup as the rockstar trailer behind the concert stage after he performed for the hundred thousand people there and the girl did a cue of 7 hours to get in The setup of the second scenario is contextual TG The girl is pre-pinned to bang that guy as fast as possible The setup for the first scenario is BG, the girl is pinned to block that guy and put walls and run away In the TG scenario the girl is competing for a guy who doesnt need her and can do better, the guy is fun and relaxed In the BG scenario the girl is the prize and the guy is chasing her in hunting mode, trying to impress and close the deal The girl's vagina opens like a feral beast in TG scenario and closes / dries in BG one The challenge for guys without game is how to emulate the behavior / mood of TG while being in BG, well fuckers, chasing girls on the street (or anywhere) in hunter mode is not how you can do that But the guy who lives in the TG, or, the rockstar who's used to being banging girls in his trailer with no effort and is cool with things, can walk around in the morning and chill as he goes to buy cigs and smirk to girls as he goes by and all the girls will know that is the guy to get After some little screening So - 1 min k That's 1 min after opening after opening and on the top of her arousal and logistics are solved At the base, the groupie went to the concert TO BANG THE ROCKSTAR

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Then she went to front line she flirted with security she joined the cue she went backstage she flirted with the band she found the trailer She put the pussy on his face The retro-engineering for the guy who's not that rockstar and has no experience receiving that treatment - what to learn is, how to behave like that guy, so you can prompt that behavior from the girl It's a pre-scripted dance If you play that guy's dance, the girl will play the groupie dance So the time to get there, the 'screening' part is an invitation into these roles Once you're there yes, 1 min That's what it takes to undress while making out And putting the condom

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9:12 AM

Here's what every blue piller needs to understand - If a girl is attracted to dominant, masculine, assertive, successful, skilled Alpha men, aka TG and she likes being hit on by that man She WIL fuck him before monogamy Not just that - fucking that guy before monogamy is the preferred path And the above is the default setup for heterosexual women in their fertile years, which is what I'd call "all women" because this is the range of women you want to bang Or ====== Any girl who responds well to game is a slut ====== Which is a good thing The blue pill has a false dichotomy of women being either madonnas or whores A madonna being a truthful loyal companion capable of real love and full of virtue, and the whore being a disgusting sack of cum who'll bang anything and cheat and cuckhold The from the bluepill / beta lense "only whores bang alphas" "only girls with low self esteem would bang that jerk" Half of that is sour grapes, the other half is lack of information Now this - listen T If you stop a girl on the street you're by default offering her raw dirty sex with random men Regardless how how you disguise it, this is what you're offering, that is your brand, and she knows it Any and all girls who'd stop and engage with you, want to buy Maybe not from YOU But WANT TO BUY If a girl gives you her phone number and you engage over texts - and then the girl disappears, that doesnt mean the girl is "K selected" or "not a slut", that just means you dont have what she's after, you failed the tests, or you didnt act on the openings fast enough, or you didn't lead enough, or anything else that made the courtship dance go offrails But "k selected" "not a slut" is not the reason Why:

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BECAUSE SHE IS TALKING TO YOU And you're only talking to her to fuck her And she knows it And you'd to better by engaging as if this is a know fact and you're just playing around for the fun of it. Not like she's a rabbit and you're chasing her / tricking her but like she's an active participant, an engaged passenger on your train and you're doing this together - which is he TRUTH And you can test this Stop chasing and start being normal Act like banging a thousand girls a day is the most normal thing in the world, make that behavior reflect your body language and tone and how you deal with her like you like her but she's just another girl of many and this is just her time window, you're sampling around and having fun And WATCH ALL THE GIRLS OPEN

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=========== Humans have more kids when in poverty which is K and less kids when in abundance which is R This DOES NOT match the madona / whore complex In rich countries women may have less kids but they FUCK MORE Humans as a whole tend more to K compared to, say, rats But K R is a reproductive strategy, and we're rigged by default to have fewer kids (not 50) and take care of them for a long period of time In humans, in women, the sexual stragegy is alpha fucks beta bucks That means get sex / semen from the highest man on the tribe And get security / provision from every other man / lock one or two men down so they provide for you / no necessity to include sex in this mix That often traslates to women slutting it up with alphas / womanizers then landing a beta and entering a sexless marriage Often traslates to having affairs Or divorcing to have access to alpha sex and alimony from beta And you can test this by looking around In places like Paki the system was designed to prevent this from happening, with incentives and punishments to prevent women from doing this stuff Because the instincts and nature are THERE That's the red pill There's no madonna whore out there The madonna is your mom The whores are the girls you fuck That dichotomy is in the mind of the boy / young guy / beta male It doesnt match women ALL WOMEN (all hetero women who are fertile / looking for semen) will respond well to game (behavior from successful womanizer man) so they are all 'sluts' Besides that there's character and other modifiers, preferences, flavors etc but they are laid on top of the above

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9:20 AM

In DG you interact briefly with the girl, she puts walls, leaves, you have no idea of whats going on since your data sample is too small In NG the girl that puts walls to you is flirting and giggly with another guy a few minutes later, so you get to see what would have opened her So in DG you get a false impression that she's a rare virgin and that the way she treats you is how she treats all men But even more to the point - There's a specific male / female, dominant / submissive, cock / pussy dynamic that is ingrained in biology When you do the male / dominant / cock / alpha / TG part of your dance, the girl adopts hers (because this is what she wants) Lets say you were born TG / cool dude, or you were by luck put into a situational alpha position so this comes natural to you Then you're used to all the girls gravitating towards you and you have these behaviors set as default When you meet the girl on the street, in DG, your expecting that she behaves the way all the other aroused girls behave So you incite that behavior Even if she was not open and rushing around, you can ping her to be into you But you have to be firmly rooted in the behavioral patten When she recognizes it, she'll adopt hers That behavioral pattern, aka GAME (the art of imitating men who are good with women) or TG is the core -so its not going to be the lines, technique, tactics, but what's underneath it all

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============== If you're a rockstar with groupies, you go to a farm and treat the farm girls like they are groupies, and they become groupies If you're the cool guy, entering new spaces will turn them into more spaces where you're the cool guy If you're charismatic and people are into you, you go to a new bar or club or social circle, and they will also be into you If you're a womanizer, meeting new women means the new women will want to bang you, too So the PROBLEM with the DG mindset is that you have a guy with no dominance, no status, no charisma, no coolness, and unsuccessful with women - going out to talk to women in a setup, specifically chosen because he's afraid of competition (because he feels would lose), chasing after women who immediately see him for what he is and say no And the guy thinking that this is normal Its not fucking normal All these girls saying NO are saying YES to someone else And most of them are saying YES to the same base characteristics But in DG you spend the day bouncing around getting rejected, and never get to see the YES Why? because of fear It's a death trap (edited)

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Its the same as the gym, there's no difference Get a contextual position where you're the boss or the guy above Go intentionally there to get into TG frame Watch your posture And repeat the frame Every time you get out of posture, rectify Let the environment feedback tell you if you're into TG or not Iterate Its the same procedure, the main issue is somewhere else Keeping the analogy - BG trying to be TG is like a fat dude trying to gain strength while watching netflix all day and eating pizza Instead of cutting carbs and hitting the gym The bad behavior has to stop and be replaced with proper behavior Intentionally If you go into it and your frame is wrong, then stop, see what's wrong, fix the posture, and try again It starts by cutting dry all observable BG behavior That's on everyone's reach The block is your ego investment on it "I dont think I can't do that, that's not me, that will hurt, I'll lost what I've cultivated... maybe I can succeed by keep doing what Im doing" That's where changing context helps because you have one external thing helping you transition instead of keeping you where you are Check this Phil If you get a billion dollars with your new company, and all of a sudden get famous and have a lot of girls chasing you all the time and seem to be ok with you fucking around, AND are also attracting a lot of bad people that you don't want around, most mostly everyone is being deferential to you and wanting to please you You WILL instantly start acting into TG and screening and bossing around, rewarding and punishing and putting yourself first After a few bad people burn you, your screening will be more fine tuned

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Flat / K / et all There's a blue pill reading there Your assumption is that women are good and want safefy So when they want a serial killer - that gets framed as "man is dangerous so he can provide safety" Yeah the narrative is bp The 'safety' angle is there, at the base Just like when you like a woman with big boobs and good hip ratio, at the base, you want kids But then does that make your liking for hot hot women, moral? Does that make you a good man? Can you just tell everyone "hey I like loose whores because Im a family man" So at the base, you dont know why you like the voluptous women Nature has a secret plan for you that is a bait and switch You meet the girl, go through a frenetic phase of lust and bang the shit out of her Then oh my! girl is pregnant, and you're bonded But that's not why you wanted to fuck her Lust and arousal is why Why all this ================== Women lust after dangerous men because it's arousing ===============

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Not because its safe Not because he can protect her Not because of any virtue that you can try to read and frame there Every time you try to frame these instincts as their ultimate result and look for the good angle, you'll find inconsistencies So its not the safety that the wolf provides ITS THE WOLF The danger is arousing Its not the wolf beacause of the safety Offer just the safety: does she take it? Offer the wolf without the safety: does she take it? Its not that's shes looking at the wolf and finding the good bits in him ITS THE WOLF Here's a cue for you and men and me and everyone ======== Anything that in other men produces fear, intimidation, etc Anything in alphas that makes you get angry Anything in abusing men that pisses you off Anything bad about men, that is not exclusive to lower tier desperate men Anything imposing, tyranical, bad, murderous, savage, that makes you pissed, oppressed, rebelliouts, anything that makes you go down etc, all and everything that you find wrong about the wolf men Produces AROUSAL in women When you see a jerk bully jumping on the corpse of a nerdy beta You get pissed off A woman interprets that same data as arousal Where you'd experience fear, she experiences tingles Or Your gut reaction of fight / flight when in presence of a bad, powerful men I women is just arousal

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====== In blue pill that get rationalized "women dont like jerks" "its that jerks are tricking her" Or "women go with wolves beause of safety" "strong men" Right Slow that down Her vagina is doing the talking Big bad wolf = big vagina hunger Just like when you see tits ===== This was one of my main personal break throughs back in the day Because I was trying to do game but 'not be a bad man' "yes the girl opens when Im acting like a bad man, but Im a good man, I'll show her" Doesnt matter how many permutations you try there Its the wolf You can be a wolf and still be a good man But what she likes is the wolf part Try this back and forth if you want Try removing the wolf, and removing the good man, go with both

I already know where that ends ========= A guy who kills prostitutes is more attractive that the same guy helping communities and curing cancer Blame that in biology ===

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They are not all raped as children Though we also don't know if that girls I read was All I can say reading her is that her current game is 'raped as child' compatible But maybe it didnt happen - and is just her PPTS She likes to be fucked in that context 30% of women or more have a rape PTTS Maybe it was just that her mom is alcoholic and her father is abusive but there's no rape involved - so far So she found herself finding a slot where things click Or Maybe her family is awesome, and nothing bad ever happened - but she has a STRONG biological drive to get into this game So she's actually going for it hard Or Maybe she was raped 2 months ago and is coping Or Maybe some other unrelated bad shit happened 4 years ago and she was depressed and suicidal, and now she's actually getting GREAT and is on her way up and in a couple of years she'll be fully recovered We dont know any of this shit Her current self is a snapshot There's a trajectory involved, is she going up or down Who was she before and who is she going to be next And what type of person is she going to be with you Etc We dont know

That's what screening is for My reading of her presentation is just step 1 there Also if you can't get a reading of a girl like I did initially but you like each other, she'll make sure to let you know She'll be putting these clues on your face and then calling you on it (drama) if you miss the bits All do the same stuff For rape-issued girls - a few for example would tell me in bed "Ohh you're so strong you could do anything to me " "you could rape me if you wanted!" stuff like that "I cant have sex with you because I have a boyfriend " (while rubbing her pussy on me) "but you could rape me"

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I never played forward, Im such a gentleman But women do tell you This and other stuff Check Musk's girls, the ones that do play with him are all telling him in nasty tone the clues he's missing Check your history too If you can't read them, they come and tell you straight to your face what the game is Though often that means it's too late ====== But yes - all women want the wolf, just like all men want the hot women Wolf is TG Though you don't 'have' to be bad to be TG Wolf is TG by nature The wolf puts himself first and uses his skills to please himself and is not trying to trade in favors in order to eat the sheep and doesnt give a fuck about the farmer, is independent, dangerous, and self motivated And isnt trying to trick you And if you mess with him it's gonna eat your kids That's directly arousal for women way before he can offer extra benefits like protection Pussy wants that All of them ==============

In men the sexual desire triggers "I want to be a good man" "I need to impress and perform" The issue is what that "good" means It snaps you into your understanding of the world The attractive woman becomes the muse in your hero path If you feel worthless, the contrast pushes you down If you have things you're working on, you feel at fault With the muse illuminating all the stuff you still have to work on The woman becomes 'the good" Thats fucking great for evolution On the side of the woman, she doesnt feel that at all She gets turned on and submissive by the big bad wolf Nothing to do with the man being "good" So for these two drives to be compatible the man has to have climbed the ladder of men and be a dominant self reassured man that is finding "good" in his own path The presence of the attractive woman turns him into an even more big bad mofo wolf Increases dominance "hard on" While the bottom guy just gets more bottom The whole thing is rigged so the guy who's not TG can't get any That doesnt happen in 'friendship' but does happen when you meet men way above in hierarchy - the instinct pings you to get soften and pleasant And compliant That the same thing women experience when in contact with the big bad wolf mofo So all this is what Im circling when I tell guys to do the real work Cant fake it At the base, the issue is that the sexual desire, framed in BG, will make you do ALL THE WRONG THINGS And it is like that by design You're not supposed to bang that girl You're supposed to become "the man" or go to your corner and die And the women are actively separating the men from the wannnabes Judging on status, looks, and behavior --- The process of "screening" is there though, you do it with friends, it isn't a mystery The block preventing guys to screen women is the scarcity / bg / yes-man frame Putting the women above, pre-qualified, as their judge Which guarantees the dance will break (edited)

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1) Know what you want 2) Lead / initiate in the direction you want 3) Know what type response you want 4) Watch her react 5) Compare her response with your desired response 6) Reward good behavior / punish bad behavior You are the standard I can give examples for this - but at the base this is nonverbal knowledge This is like you had food in your mouth and you want instructions on how to shallow - at the end is "just do it" You already have the muscles for this You already screen people - this is how you make friends You've been doing this forever The issue is not that you dont know how to screen - the issue is that instead of screening you're trying to qualify to her, you're selling - you need to be the buyer Your time and energy and presence needs to have value, and you need to use judgement on where / how / with whom you invest yourself We're back to "frame" because this IS about frame]

============================= ============================= And the order girls screen guys is Status -> then Looks -> then Behavior Status is determined by the tribe they have access to From that group girls screen for Looks From the guys there they screen for Behavior (frame) When I talk about TG Im pointing at an archetype of a guy that is high status, has good looks, and has the Behavior nailed so he's not just above but good at being above, or, the dominant behavior is natural and competent When you say "value" Value is on the eyes of the beholder - value comes down to what the consumer wants Value for men is "what men want" and in specifics "what you want" Same for women

12:21 PM

If you go down to the very specifics and niches and snowflakes - there are a bunch of women out there who are looking for specifically you, the way you are right now, no changes SnowFlake Game: 1 in five million What I do here is a map so you can climb / adapt / broaden your pool / so you can get 'what you want' If you narrow it to "value" here's what you'll find Assuming you mean value = status You go up in status, and lets say also looks So you have Status and Looks Then girls come all turned on, to SCREEN YOU If the Behavior is not there, you still lose Example - look at @SpaceY and @Deleted User field reports, both get a bunch of girls approaching them and ON all the time, yet they lose the girls They had enough Status and Looks to be screened And look at your own experience - with all the girls giving you openings then you cant act on them What's stopping you? your behavior. Where is it coming from? your frame Now can you "just change your frame" - well yes, but that requires overall life changes You have to sacrifice your self identity that is stuck in BG, and move that into TG "frame" as you go along climbing your ladder of men towards your end goal In the process all these women who are already screening you, unlock If that makes sense, great, if not, go back to Daygame The odds there are better than Snowflake Game ( 1 in 5 mill) (edited)

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@T Diddy also has had a bunch of girls all open to him - from work, social life, and Daygame, go on dates and so on, and the girls screening him all the time What are the girls screening for? they already know his Status and Looks Wake up bro

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you can be prince charles and be a beta You can be a homeless and be alpha You can be an employee and be TG You can be president and be BG Status is the external Behavior is how you act Frame is where your behavior comes from Girls go into tribes (rooms) and follow the external cues first Then follow looks then screen for behavior Ultimately behavior is what matters But to get to behavior the other checkpoints need to check The "natural" is a guy who operates in tg and has climbed to the top of the tribe and has been ruling there for a while and the external status is congruent with his behavior Thats winning the lottery for a girl Triple check But girls are ruled by vagina and will react to behavior wherever they find it - even in the absense of status and looks A tg is attractive regaress of other factors If a girl ends up settling with a guy who has a 10 in status and a 10 in looks but acts beta/bg she will grow to hate that guy If she finds a lower status TG she will take him and try to make him climb the ladder Bottom line - the drawn for a girl is the full combo High status tribe, and the toppest guy from there, bonus if he is good looking If she is in a tribe with no tgs she will leave I just came from a bar and there was a skinny guy with 5 girls surrounding him captivated as he told some story and all of them were trying to out do each other giggling and being compliant and fuckable Leave the keyboard, go out Learn

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======= If you are not a natural tg and you want to learn it, you will feel internal resistance The resistance comes from your current self identification with your position in the social hierarchy You may be a pleaser, a pushover, or a rebel, an outcast, or a supportive character - regardless, thats a role and you have been playing long enough that story feels like "you" That story needs to end ===== If you need baby steps and dont fe el like cutting the cycle of being determined by the tribe is possible - use the tribe itself to change Get a position where you are above And act the part Job hobbie passtime part time job volunteer- anything where you sre the one in.charge and above and people come to you already pre wired to see you as above them Then use that mini feedback loop to lean the dynamics, get used to it Then adventure into the rest of tour life following that script Or You can grow some balls and just do it Let bg routine idle and act tg

======================= Any social hierarchy really At the top That's where the coolest guys are Vlad found one with men that shoot at criminals That he found one on the street daygaming is like winning a lottery Also if you're doing daygame the 'what you want' is to get good with women So framing it as "I get to meet men, and having girls there is a plus" double misses the mark But not just that - the men doing daygame are mostly useless Why Same for every pua and most players that do routines The reason you're having to learn game is you're not a 'wonderful guy' If you were indeed a wonderful guy you'd have a tribe partying around you and pussy on your lap on demand The guys that didnt manage that end up at the bottom, some of them, the more desperate, pick up red pill and game The ones that go all in into pua / daygame are the ones that didn't understand yet That the fucking issue is not women Your relationship with women is a symptom As long as you dont treat the sickness you can't handle women Or else you end up like my friend Rivelino, 10 years into game and pedestalizing all women Or Nash - women come and go and he regresses all the time to bad behavior and loses the whole thing Even if you wanted to meet wonderful men - go to where the actual wonderful men are Go to the tribe you want to belong to The one that has the parameters for whatever you consider wonderful And look for the leaders / cool guy / the alphas Befriend these That's the fast lane

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9:29 PM

Pua talks about attraction vs comfort, which is nonsense, I'll dissect it from my system -

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Attraction = acting from above Comfort = acting from below Where they get fucked up is: When they like the girl they need to be good to the girl and act on these feelings too So they proceed to be good to the girl From Below And lose the girl It has nothing to do with the comfort part, its just the positioning And what the girl perceives when you're coming from below isnt 'comfort' Its just 'hes' below me' Also because the guy using attraction / comfort IS actually below, the attraction stuff is a trick If the guy likes the girl then doing that trick will be incongruent Because of the incongruence he'll be shit tested So guy needs to keep acting out of his own frame to keep the girl interested That's hell I spent there about a year and a half or more Doing game - get the girl aroused, bang her, then I like her more, Im nice, she's not that interested anymore, balance back Its not comfort / attraction, its positioning If you remain above you can be nice to her When she deserves it That's "reward" The difference in the two systems is here The guy below is nice to the girl to attempt to prompt her good behavior So he's nice first, he's trying to lead the girl into being good In the case of Nash, he even goes to give good stuff to the girl when she's in bad behavior, as a way to show her the prizes and all the good stuff she'd be having if she behaved properly That's akln of raising the salary of a bad employee For the guy on top, he gives the good stuff to the girl AFTER she's in good behavior When she goes in bad behavior, he gives bad stuff to her

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That keeps her wanting to be good On the case of the guy below - he'll be doing the good stuff out of sync, so the girl perceives the positioning, and proceed to shit test Or, right in the moment when the guy does something nice for her, she'll devaluate him and proceed to punish and shit test And start moving away from him internally On the other spectrum, when the guy above punishes her on bad behavior, or rewards her for good behavior - both instances make her want to get closer to him So if you look at this from a PUA perspective and ask "what is the proper amount of attraction and comfort", the formula is "remain above, then reward and punish" You can be rewarding her all day long if she's in good behavior And that wont be "too much comfort"

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You can be pulling away all day long and acting like you've got better things to do and messing with her, if she's not in her best behavior, and that wont be "too much attraction" The moment she's in good behavior and you do dread or try to bring her down, that'd be punishing compliance, or punishing good behavior, then you did "too much attraction" (see why this fucking word doesnt fit) And the moment you give away good stuff when it's not deserved, then it will be "too much comfort" and you quickly lose the girl because only lower tier men do that, so she'll shit test to see if that's where you're at

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the nature of the girl is to give walls to BG and openings to TG She's driven by desire Not just defense mechanisms Walls are half the equation, and aimed to a segment of the population For clear TGs they have only openings So all walls are 'if' walls IF you're BG you get one And are also screening She puts a wall and you smash into it: BG She puts an opening and you dont take it: BG She puts both a wall and an opening and you go for the wall: BG She puts only a hard wall and you try to climb it: BG The opposite: TG She puts a wall and you ignore it or create an opening on your own: TG She puts only a hard wall and you punish (push her away): TG She puts a wall and an opening and you go for the opening: TG She puts an opening and you take it: TG

======================== Nodding down signals "we're on the same tribe" Nodding up signals "whats up, report soldier" or "hey you, wanna play?" Nod down removes tensions Nod up increases tension The reason why your tendency was to nod down is you're decreasing tensions Your mood and intention is to decrease tension Decreasing tension by default = bg Same as 'giving comfort' by default = bg ================== So instead of focusing on the movement itself, focus on the mood and your intention Nodding down fits when you want to reward. I usually nod down as I wink Its "yeah we're in this together partner, good job" I also do fists bumps with that intention Nodding up fits when meeting someone, hey whats up, tell me whats new, wanna play, whattup buddy Also "service please" The attitude (frame) is what makes the physical movement happen And it took you a month because of the conflict between your attitude vs the movement Focus on the attitude instead And use the movement as an extension of the attitude "how can I express this attitude" That'll be faster and more natural Same for speaking volume, walking / moving slow / taking space, all these are external signifiers If you try to do the external thing on its own its a conflict Focus on the feeling that would make that external signifier, natural ==========================

PUA - pick up artist To develop the art of picking up girls, pick up artist must use Game Game - is the recollection of things that have been observed to make women want to fuck Where has Game been observed? In the classic natural, successful womanizers that the nerds developing PUA are trying to emulate So Game = the art of copying the behaviors that come natural to the natural womanizers But PUA is contaminates the behaviors with it's own identity, which is "Im an unattractive man and girls dont like me which is why Im copying another man and using tricks to bang this girl who is out of my league, and I must conceil this and hide myself because otherwise I blow it up and get rejected, I must keep the facade" Which is NOT in the original attractive behavior studied to make Game and it sabotages the whole thing Which is where "game paradox" comes from So PUA: This is the red pill, this is what women consider attractive, now dont change at all but learn these five tricks and go bang supermodels out of your league TG: This is the red pill, this is what women consider attractive. Now change yourself and make these behaviors a natural expression of who you are - and you can bang girls like any womanizer (edited)

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Kman: can it come from work/gym/money? and translate into "I'm the shit" everywhere Yohami *NOWWAToday at 10:32 AM Well it has to come from you Then the feedback loop happens If you're put in the position - like you're named the boss of something Or you get steroids plus gym and get super muscular Or you're born with superb beauty Or get surgery and get it Or you win the lottery and you're on a super fancy car and lifestyle You are going to get an INITIAL point of feedback loop telling you that you're the boss and the shit But that wont make YOU switch frames What happens there is a mismatch of internal and external frame / frame clash So you'll go out of your way to insist on the rules of interaction from you at the bottom Thats how you end up with CEOS who are betas And famous rich celebrities acting beta / omega Having the external loop in place doesnt convert automatically to you developing the frame What did it for me - when I got into that rich person upper class apartment and all fancy shit Is that I already knew how girls were when I'd game them Now I had them all pre-open without me doing anything That's when it clicked Before that - years before game, I had an office and I was in a granted superior status And I was using that status to enforce my beta-pleaser frame And frustrated And chasing girls away with it ========== So first you need to internally put yourself above Then look for / create feedback loops that are compatible with that frame And discard / reject / cut the feedback loops that are not compatible Aka kill the BG, nurture the TG Aint that what Im saying always

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Step 1: What do I want Step 2: Lead there Step 3: Reward (compliance and anything you like, generously)

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I dont have the perfect name for it yet so it may require some back and forth Chances are your mother was shit What I mean with that is your nurturing was conditioned Didnt get nurtured on specific or random situations As a result you dont know how to nurture yourself So the next one, lets call it "4" is Possible names ========== A) be your own mother or B) Fix your mother or C) Perfect mother =========== What does this mean The archetype of the mother, when you're a baby, is that she gives you everything and all the love and protection unconditonally It has perfection glasses on Baby cant do anything wrong Baby kills a cat? baby is perfect Baby poos everywhere? baby is perfect Baby is good, baby is bad? baby is perfect The reason why you can't just "feel perfect" is that your relationship with the archetype is broken Tainted by the actual experience with the person that had to do that role So the task for next week is Love yourself unconditionally What that means in practical terms is "Im perfect" It doesnt matter wht what "I deserve anything I want" "I am perfect, because I am me" Anything you desire, indulge on it Over eat Over sleep Over work Over train, or dont train Anything you want, do it Freely Without moral or consequences Without negative judgement Do 3 on yourself Reward, reward, reward, reward, reward Just because Pamper the shit out of yourself Want clothing? get them Dont wanna go to work? dont go And embrace that doesnt matter what, you're perfect, you're fine, you're safe, you're the end-goal of everything You're precious And loved Anything that you want - is fine Anything that you desire - just is Give it to yourself Fulfill all your needs (edited)

If you check self-help aimed to females this is the thing they talk about all the time, and it sounds void and alien to us "you're perfect just the way you are" It is female spectrum So 4 is not about becoming female - its about fixing your relationship with the archetype You're perfect - for the mother / for the female / and get infinite unconditional nurturing from it Baby cries - needs are attended, baby is perfect Baby is happy - needs are attended, baby is perfect Baby is sick - needs are attended, baby is perfect Baby tantrums - needs are attended, baby is perfect Baby is perfect because its her baby When you're the baby and you're taken care like that the relationship with the archetype gets well-built Then that's the same type interaction you form with others / with women Where you dont need to do extra things to be important And matter For the rest of men, if that link is broken, then you only have the male side of the spectrum where you need to compete to matter But that's half the equation / it doesnt work with half reality AKA you end up trying to impress women to have value Because at the bottom, there's a void You lack nurturing and dont know how to get it yourself Since you can't go back as an adult man to your mom and demand that she does the role she didnt do decades ago, the fix is to perform the nurturing on yourself, and feel good about being perfect just the way you are, because you are you, put all your needs first, and indulge on them whatever they are at any time = because you're perfect Its a non-ending reward for just being

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Here's more spoiler Your relationship with a girl - you're the masculine she's the feminine So she's the nuturing archetype (and you're the king / warrior) You will apply the frame / ruleset that you have with the female archetype (mother) to her And what you want from her is unconditional acceptance Which you can't request (cant play that game) unless you have a matching model In other words, you need to fully accept yourself and be 'perfect' for her to fully accept you and see you as perfect If you come with a conditional "I must do things to be perfect" she will also play that game and require that you do things to be perfect - and you will never be Then if you want to dwelve into the "perfect" idea A seed is something very small, then it becomes a three when it grows That doesnt mean the seed is an imperfect tree The seed is a perfect seed And when it grows its a perfect tree How is it perfect? it's a tree This is the female side of the equation btw When you introduce the male, you introduce competition against others Winners and losers All based in competence Thats not in the female side So your relationship with the male spectrum is based on measuring each other And your relationship with the female spectrum is: nurturing Thats why the courtship is not a competition - it's looking for compliance and receptiveness And why I say - be the TG with men, then relax with women So you have all the TG qualities, but you're in "nurture me" mode

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11:27 AM

Luc proposes a scale to measure himself and he's not at the top hence not perfect, hence low value Right? That measuring produces pain and is a stressor If Luc wants to feel better, then that stressor gets activated into him telling to himself to do things to fill the gap That's the split The part of Luc telling to himself to go get these things, is the TG The part that actually gets in motion, is the BG Being told what to do and resisting and in fear and pain But what initiated the split was the desire - all these things are things that Luc wants Desire - pushes BG down This is what causes "approach anxiety" And why guys cant game hot girls Desire = BG See something you want? push yourself down The root of that - is that you were not loved uncondionally, and dont know what self-nurturing is So there's an emotional gap there that is being triggered all the time

11:28 AM

So that split needs to be walked back And embrace the desire - same desire that you're trying to command yourself to do from the small TG And move the whole body there Because you want to Without telling yourself to Just like you can go to the fridge and get a coke or something without doing the split The "self nurturing" means suspending the TG telling you stuff and stopping the negative judgement "Im perfect as is, dont need to do anything ever" But you may WANT to do things So you do things you want, as opposed to being moved into filling a gap - that cant be filled by doing these things

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5:48 PM

we get value from external stuff and society expectations

We get external value from external stuff

4 teaches us that we are perfect the way we are.

4 is the love of your mother The archetype, not the person who performed the role

this is done by removing judgement from ourselves either from society or ourselves

Yes, you remove the judgement by embracing / celebrating that you're perfect, just for being you, the human being that was born

pure acceptance of ourselves

Yes

this frees us to do what we want. (the split between wanting to to and the pain and fear from rejection and judgement)

Yes - it frees you from the split between your own judgement and your persona. Specifically, "nurturing" frees you, because unconditional nurturing is not compatible with the self made split, so the split goes away. You can't at the same time embrace / celebrate yourself and put yourself under pressure and castigate yourself into doing things or feeling bad. So embracing yourself is the emotional component that disolves the BG structure

5:48 PM

kinda like if the zombie apocalypse happened, no one will care about us.

No, it's the opposite - you're infinitely cared for and catered to, you're the most precious human being on earth, and are perfect Its not a wasteland where nobody cares - it's a paradise where you're cared for, forever, unconditionally. its mom Just not your mom or mine

isn't this similar to just be yourself/just love yourself?

These are vague, but they come from the feminine mindset so they are related "just be yourself" well what if Im a loser and a BG, just be myself then? good luck But the loser BG doesnt love himself. 4 is "love yourself" so the second line fits What "love yourself" doesnt tell you is "cater to all your desires and put yourself inn first place at all times, you're perfect as is".

by removing my own judgement on myself, how will I improve?

You improve by following your wants If you want to learn guitar or increase a skill, what is needed is that you put the hours into it You can put the hours because you split and tyranically put yourself under pressure to do it, becoming more BG, or by putting the hours because you want to, and becoming more TG In either road, the 'want' is there On the BG path, the want is channeled into a secret superior voice that oppresses you (which is the TG) On the TG path you put your body on motion following your wants / desires Since I am already perfect. I. E I am not good looking but I can improve my

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11:48 AM

Yes man is not about desire, it's about positioning Yes man is the guy wanting something, and choosing to positioning below that thing in order to get it Which with girls it doesnt work for the obvious reasons With 4 Im trying to dial in what's required to solve the emotional component that triggers that behavior (not the behavior itself) The behavior itself is fixed with the 1-2-3 and the numbers that will follow next But the emotional component needs to be addressed Picture this Placing yourself under a woman and asking for her to care comes from you as a kid begging for mom's love The naturals out there are in two variants Variant one: kid got all the love from mom so receiving care from women is assumed Variant two: kid got emotionally neglected so the caring cirquit is completely off, there are no emotions involved, or it's been replaced by a predator mode So you have the good natured players and the villains, but neither is begging for care Care is either assumed, or not a factor altogether For the normal guy that is trying game / is not a natural, the link to the unconditional care archetype is broken So it's roleplayed when interacting with attractive women Placing her as the superior judge And her care / not care altering your state

11:48 AM

Aka, she's mom But she is not And she can never be Your nurturing needs to be solved beforehand This is alleviated to some degree when you're "spinning plates" and its what PUAs think it's solved by reaching a desired notch count "when I do 50 notches everything will be fine" 310 in Luc's case Looking for nurture / care is at the bottom of all beta behavior Its giving care to the girl hoping that she gives it back But The girl will only CARE when you don't beg for it Or, just like in capitalism = money is given to the already rich And taken from the poor Going into game with a void in the selfcaring self nurturing emotional body - or, dealing with women and banging them trying to fill that hole, or, doing all that with a 'broken mom archetype' Only means you get crushed by all women Because none of them can do it You're roleplaying the wrong game I learned that after - 200 or so bangs and feeling drained Switching to having a girlfriend and trying a more beta + alpha life for a year Then contemplating where my actual problem was Then spending those 6 months on my own doing self-care Here's another succint ======== What you want from women is unconditional love Even if you're just banging them once What you want is real, deep, unconditional desire Unconditional YES

11:49 AM

And you can only get that from them, when you're there yourself That means you already a YES to yourself When you have unconditional love for yourself, and real, deep, unconditional desire for yourself Then you can actually - lead them there With ease - because that's what they want, too, to follow that guy When that emotional component is not there, you approach them with a game where you're trying to get validation / care from them To squeeze it out somehow Aka you're trying to get mom to care by doing whatever her mysterious rules are today The 'paradox of game' is the guy trying to bang mom

11:49 AM

So how to fix that thing, again The natural state is that you're perfect and nurtured and loved That natural state is produced in childhood and it's on the hand of the parents, specially mom If you dont have that state then you have to chase the second form of validation that relies on performance only That makes care / nurturing something you get by doing - instead of something you deserve / are entitled by just the fact of being you As you grow older that only worsens So how to fix it

11:49 AM

Roll back to your emotional state where you're not perfect, find these needs, hurts, pain And seed this there IM FUCKING PERFECT I DESERVE EVERYTHING THAT I WANT UNCONDITIONALLY And prove yourself that by rewarding and nurturing / giving yourself everything you can possibly want Not because you did something to earn it But because you're you As an ongoing activity, that's "self pampering" "seek comfort and pleasure now" "put your needs first" Its the emotional backbone for "what do I want" It goes down to "what do I feel" When you're in self-caring state, and your needs are first, that clarifies better all the external stuff because your radar is more awakened Its fine tuned to your own needs Which are - perfect Or If you're not caring unconditionally about yourself - how the fuck can you map your wants in the external world Your sonar is broken This thing above, again, is the extent of the whole female wisdom and the whole secret attraction theory

11:49 AM

For women, if they are able to channel that, it enhances their screening and they can filter men and opportunities better, and makes them able to attract men that will fulfill the role Because women dont need to lead and make things happen For men - we still need the whole performance part So 1-2 is lead 3 is reinforce the lead 4, fix the fucking problem

5-6-7 will be the flip side to 1-2-3 8 will be fix your fucking dad Then 9+ will be about how to's Maybe I'll make 12 and have a 12 steps rulebook to trump's Peterson gamma system

============== Tease: something done with the explicit intent of causing a reaction, positive or negative, where you know the type reaction you're after And all teases are passing down value, positive or negative Tease = judgement Flirt and negs are teases But teases can be nonsexual

From a flirt, you want arousal With a neg you want shame and surrender With a joke you want laughter And so on

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11:00 AM

5) What do I don't want? 6) Say NO. ============== Activities for 5-6 Write a list of the things you dont want, it needs to be specific and not abstract. It needs to be focused and detailed. Write how you're going to say NO / cut these things from your life, permanently and definitely This is not a "Im going to work towards and fix this problem by doing stuff" The action is NO. This is not "there are problems but I will work my way through" NO applies for things you not longer engage in The list of things that you dont want can include things you dont have the power to say NO yet So 5 can be longer than 6 ============= Then on your day to day life, when you're asked for stuff you dont want, or are presented with scenarios, ask yourself if you dont want these things Ask yourself is you can say NO And if so, say NO ================= This is the whole "no more nice guy" and is the basis for setting walls and later the basis for punish and neg (edited)

11:01 AM

This balances out with 1-2 This is the other side of the coin The whole spectrum is YES / NO Both are judgements What do I want / What do I dont want Both are statements of power Judge To be able to punish you first need to be centered on NO Just like to reward you need to be centered on YES (edited)

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11:17 AM

1) WHAT DO I WANT Write a detailed list of what you want, it needs to be specific and not abstract. The list can be material, personal, spiritual, in relationships, it doesnt matter, but it needs to be concise and cover whatever is on your mind about your needs and desires. This is a WANT list, not a "nice to have" or "wish that thing was possible. What do you WANT. (edited)

11:17 AM

Then on your daily life, ask yourself along the day "what do I want" every time you're presented with a situation. Identify what is the thing you're after

11:19 AM

2) LEAD THERE Write a list of what actions you can take to lead in the direction for each thing you want. Leading means you're the one initiating the action, you're the driving force, you're the one starting the change. So, for that thing you want, what actions and how you can set things in motion by yourself (edited)

11:19 AM

Then on your daily life, every time that you want something, initiate the motion in that direction

11:22 AM

3) REWARD Write a list of how you can reward the people that comply to your leadership, how you can be generous with your acceptance. Write a list of the things you like around you that may not be done specifically for you but help you on your way - it can be anything from good food on a restaurant that you're in, or people who are servicial, or people who do you favors, and write what type of direct, verbal reward would make them happy to do that thing more

11:22 AM

Then on your daily life, REWARD generously and without compromises

11:25 AM

4) YOU'RE PERFFECT ( SELF NURTURE ) (rewrite this) Write a detailed list of the attributes that make you a unique person, what makes you special, and how you're a valuable human being because of them. Make a list of your fails and shortcomings that 'make you human', and how the whole combination makes you PERFECT. Write a list of all the things that make you feel safe and happy, and how you deserve all of these things because you want them, and how you're going to give them all to yourself Then on your daily life, give all these things to yourself in a generous, unconditional manner, pamper yourself, love and accept yourself unconditionally, sans negative judgement, whatever the circumstance - like you had an infinitely loving mother on your shoulder taking care of every need you ever possibly had (edited)

11:26 AM

5) WHAT DO I DONT WANT? Write a detailed, non abstract list of the things you dont want, dont like, dont want any more of. It can be anything - relationships, work, places, foods, situations, doesnt matter. Pour down your emotional and mind and put all your negative judgement into words, in the most concise bullet point possible Then on your daily life, every time you're presented with situations ask yourself "Is this something I dont want" (edited)

11:30 AM

6) SAY NO. From the things that you dont want, make a list of all the things you can say NO to. This is not a list of things you have to work through and make compromises, but a list of things you have the power, right now, to cut off from your life completely and not engage with again. Then on your daily life, whenever you're presented with something you dont want, ask yourself if you can say NO to it, and if so, say NO.

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1:57 PM

There was a fish on the pond one day Was small, then bigger, then became an adult At one point was hurt Once in the middle decided it wasnt going to be a fish and started emulating turtles Then switched to trying to be a rock Then back to fish Then grew old That fish may have been smart, or stupid But it was always - a perfect fish

1:58 PM

The fish cant do anything to be an imperfect fish And also can't do anything to be a more perfect fish Because the category is "fish" and that, it is So- You are the PERFECT YOU And as such, your archetypical mom loves you just like you are, and just in any shape or form you decide to adopt Dont like your pink pajamas? change them Wanna play tennis? go for it tiger Wanna bang girls? go get them Wanna be celibate? here's your netflix subscription Whatever you want, you are always perfect So you can follow your whims It doesnt change anything You're already whole You were not less whole with the pink pajamas, or after them, with or without girls, when you're hurt or happy - all these are states but the base human is always there, was always there, and always tied to unconditional care and love Or If you hate yourself for the pink pajamas and think you're going to be more worthy when you trash them - you're in a deluded state and think that what you wear and what you do and dont has any effect on the base of who you are Or, anything you do out there wont change anything Its all smoke and mirrors Its a fun park =============== Go get the thinks you want, and say no to the things you dont That's just a skill Has nothing to do with being perfect

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4:24 PM

Either you are perfect and your value is 100 Or you're imperfect and your value is 0 and you fill it up with things to compensate If the later, then you spend time creating fictions that give you some filling-gap value (like Im the best sex someone had, I own a car, apartment, this is my title, here are my achievements) that give you a temporary boost of value and make you feel whole for a short while, before your soul-hole drains it all and go back to normal zero value state On the other hand if you're perfect and your value is 100 - anything you do has a 100 value and is perfect by extension Value is: your self judgement Which is given to you during childhood It sets the base rules for you to operate outside in the world - If you have value yourself, then you give value to others If you dont have value yourself, then you take value from others And people play along to whatever game you're playing - people who have value are valued by others also, closing the loop And people who dont, do transactional value games, and are used by others

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10:26 PM

Now what's wrong about thinking of a strategy and all the pre-scripting Thinking that you need a strategy means that you see her as having more value than you and therefore you must pull some moves to get her That positioning already fucks everything Same for the pre-scripting What you're doing with the pre-script is trying to sooth yourself and give yourself calmness, trying to make yourself feel safe, because you're anxious, because you feel like a dancing monkey that is going to be evaluated That positioning is a guarantee that you fail at everything So stop it here, as it happens You're the prize There's no strategy to be had, only make sure that the logistics work And lead in-the-moment depending on whats going on How to make sure you know what to do when something happens? Start now Start being the man, right now You have a week to be the man, right now, every minute Be a man right now Instead of being a dancing monkey afraid of what may happen and trying to come up with moves for a situation you have no ways of knowing how it's going to be Do 1-7 now, be the man now So you're the man later as well Or You can't find the 'strategy' for something that happens in the future that is unknown to you, because you can't project "being the man" in that imagined future, basing it on the fear and anxiety of not being the man right now Gotcha? Be the man now Let the future handle itself Trust that you're the man now and you'll be the man then as well It starts NOW

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11:32 PM

You're the fun because you are the force towards fun fun is your desire so your movement towards it is the fun Fun doesnt exist in a place and doesnt exist unless someone is doing something that is fun itself Fun is not "something out there" Fun is what you do, while pursuing fun Here you're placing yourself as passenger of fun "i am the force creating the movement towards fun therefore I am fun" Like you're fun as the result of something else Externally determined The proper frame is I want to have fun, therefore I do movement that is fun for me "I am the fun" It carries along with you Not you carried along with it This is more proper "I am fun, therefore I am the force of movement towards fun" You are the fun, you're the prize, you're the party You set the pace, you lead, you're the center It aint "something out there" Its in you (edited)

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What would be fun to do in this moment? do that
Situation isn't fun? what would need to change so it's fun? change it in that way
Person talking isnt fun? what would be fun to do with this person? do that
looking back did I have fun? no? what would need to be different for that to be fun? lead that way next time

============= Look at the structure of your mind ==================== The judging voice is the TG ====================== The part of you receiving the judgement is the BG BG receives judgement And has reactions The judging voice doesnt receive judgement, it passes it The two accommodate You tell yourself something, then you accommodate "Its natural for others to want to please me" Is what the TG voice needs to say In this case, you're passing that proposal to the TG voice to judge TG voice doesnt like it because you're in the wrong frame So it modifies it "Actually you dont deserve that, but I'll look for a reason to compensate for that, you lil imperfect thing" The "because" is being injected, because your TG voice rejects the line Because you're offering it to it From below And your TG voice added a condition ============

10:11 AM

The line is to be said by your TG voice Instead of offered to it from below The line is a judgement Its not a "what do you think of this, TG voice?" Then re: believing blind Your TG voice is as blind as your BG voice BG voice is not "less blind" by having a TG voice on top judging it The two sides check with each other, but both are as blind Why Because both are you And they are the same structure Have the same information available Live on the same encompassing frame If you'd say "for something to not be blind, it needs a superior TG voice passing judgement on it" Well then what's the voice above your TG voice passing judgement on it?" There's none All the judgement coming from your TG voice is just stated "as is" and has no basis Its only basis is that "it is" It is sustained by "whats coherent and logic and emotionally coherent to you" Which means it's just self sustained It just is The whole thing is "blind" You have no logical reason to sustain that you DONT deserve others pleasing you "it just is" That's blind ======================= Then the other part Because you're missing what's up First historically - =================

10:11 AM

Everything interaction you have with the world and people around you Is based on these type statements "Its natural for others to not like me" Or "its natural for others to like me" When you meet someone, you're presenting these rules upfront It's all transmitted "Its natural for others to follow me" Or "its natural for you to lead me" There's no "because" "it just is" When you interact with others, every person is like a lego piece, looking to see where things fit Then you find how the pieces fit, form a mini bond, and things progress according to these rules Someone who's funny, has a "its natural for other people to find me funny" Someone who's attractive, has a "Its natural for people to find me attractive" All these rules and statements, alter your body, too The guy who has a "its natural for others to find me funny" - has this passing through his body So he moves, talks acts funny "I am funny" message is passed along and expressed HOT GIRL "Its natural for men to find me hot" - she will act, move, talk, behave, presented, as a "HOT GIRL" at all times A leader guy will have "Its natural for others to follow me" and likewise will talk, move, sit, stare, communicate as a "leader" When you meet the leader guy, you'll be looking at a leader guy, and his demeanor will pass this to you "it's natural for you to follow me" And if your' pieces "click" then he'll lead, and you'll follow "it just is"

10:11 AM

The funny guy will be funny and expect that others laugh all the time The hot girl will be seductive and expect that others are seduced all the time The leader guy will be leading and expect that others follow him all the time "it just is" It's lego pieces ========================= "Its natural that others want to please me" Thats part of the full TG frame, and it doesnt belong in BG frame, because BG is the one pleasing others, and never being pleased So of course it doesnt resonate with you WHICH IS THE POINT A person with a "its natural that others want to please me" will convey that message to others, while at the same time acting behaving, like someone whose needs come first Someone who matters That message goes through the body and everything gets embedded with "I matter, my needs come first, I deserve and get what I want, Im perfect, its natural for others to see me this way, too" ==================

10:11 AM

If you add a "Because" then you fuck it up Because now you are adding an extra piece And that piece is carried along to your body And to your interactions "I deserve to be pleased because - this and that other reason" Now you're forcing everyone to do two checks And to question your self worth - because you're doing that yourself "I deserve to have my needs pleased because - Im the prize" Now you have everyone checking if you're the prize, and if so then your needs are served Additionally Because the issue is that you're coming from BG and rejecting the statements Is that you'll fuck up all the statements So instead of "Im the prize" You're going to fuck it up with "Im the prize, because..." "Im the prize because Im a leading confident initiator man" "Im the prize because Im a hard worker and blah blah" All conditionals The PIECE that your'e introducing here Is that you actually dont have these pieces and are stitching stuff up on something that doesnt actually have them, it's all running on a broken previous system Its this

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"I DONT actually deserve to have my needs put first, but BECAUSE this other thing, I do!" "It is NOT natural that Im the prize, but BECAUSE this other reason, I am" That self rejection to be the actual prize, put first, natural leader, attractive man, etc - that's the "self negative judgement" So the mini TG voice is actually stuck looking down to yourself Passing negative stuff Which means When you interact with people, they fit with that piece And they pass negative judgement on you You act, behave, feel, sit, stand, move, do everything as "someone with a self negative judgement, but that is doing extra stuff to be like someone who has self positive judgement, see all these "becauses" that I added now" And the people that fit with that, will treat you the same way "You're not someone who deserves any of this, but BECAUSE REASONS I'll play along" While all people who are looking for the "real deal" will shit test you and discard you So expect all the girls looking for "the real deal" to find out these becauses, shit test them, find out that your reasons also have conditionals, shit test them, then dump you All your "becauses" have to go away The statements need to be stated by the TG voice They just are =============== End of rant

============================== The stopping bg is passive - stop it by letting it go Watch, do nothing Not Stop / Repress Dont react, dont put it in motion, dont enact the BG game Let it go away Then find what you want, and enact that

================ meaning of words (for this use) Perception - is the part that takes in data Judgement - is the part that organizes data (conciousness) Action - the part that interacts with the world based on the judgement When I say "passive" I mean "remain on the perception part" - disable judgement and action That requires energy (everything does) but it's about which part of the cirquit is operating Mindfulness = remain on the perception part, dont judge, dont act That's also what meditating is What it does is free up the automatic wirings for judgements and reflex actions that are the default for these judgements Then you can refresh / update the judgement and choose an action based on what you want and where you want to go Instead of perception automatically triggering a judgement (example, girl is above, I must please her) and acting on that

========================================= Being an incompetent alpha - the girl will attempt to guide your cock to her pussy (like @SpaceY girl) Being a competent beta - the girl will put walls (actual walls) Being an incompetent leaders - your tribe will complain (but you've got a tribe) Being a competent beta - nobody follows you Which was my case when I had an office btw X-) Guys guuys guuuys order please please how can I make you haappyyy Same with kids Authority trumps competence Positioning Has nothing to do with knowing how to do it ============= Lets say you're in a classroom, the professor puts a new problem on the board, nobody knows how to do it, asks for a volunteer to jump to the board and try to solve it, do you A) Volunteer first, knowing you may fail B) Wait until someone does it first so you know how to do it A type is alpha B type is beta Do you prefer, in life A) Doing new things and figuring them out as you go B) Having a clear roadmap so you can avoid mistakes A type is alpha, B type is beta ========= There are trade offs for each personality On the Alpha side, the trade off is that it can result in lack of preparation and more defeats. On the up side you get calibrated to seeing opportunities and risks, and you develop a toolset of skills that are tuned to dealing with the unknown, and you learn to manage it

12:33 PM

On the beta side, the trade off is that you only know what to do when there's a predefined path that you can follow, you minimize risks, are more stable On the downside, you're unprepared for when shit hits the fan, need assistance / go blank when you need to act in the moment, dont know how to manage new situations ========== In biz and work life you can do B type and pick a good leader and do as told and excel there and become a valuable member of the tribe While an A type will be the guy actually creating that company and employing all these Bs Likely failing a few times until the skillset is there =========== The thing with WOMEN is that their nature is B type by default So they are looking for an A type, not a B type They need a leader to follow Need someone else to manage situations Need someone who can handle the unknown and structure it Need someone who can win They themselves are the ones that need someone else to go first, figure it out, manage risk, create a path to victory Which is why you can't never win being B type Unless either the girl is A type and makes it happen, or if she's looking for a B to be a worker for her other agendas (girls sucking the life of Betas) -=======================

More on 4 Because you dont self-validate you seek for it elsewhere But the key part (not mentioned) is that self-love is the result of the relationship with mother

11:34 AM

Babies dont self validate - dont self care - mom takes care of them and validates their needs Yeah But it's specifically mom On the grander picture, its your relationship with the feminine archetype, mother archetype Baby has needs, baby cries, feminine mother archetype takes care of all the needs, or doesnt If mother archetype does, baby's self is validated, needs are important, baby develops a self Or a conscious self "my needs are important, my needs are taken care of, this is the norm" If mom doesnt nurture the child, the opposite self develops "I dont matter, my needs are not important, this is the norm" If the needs are not nurtured, then the baby can grow in several paths - it can go below or above If below, it results in a pushover / codependent, bending to others and going into the shadows of others hoping to get some validation by osmosis If above, then it goes to overcompensate, do big achievements, goes into rescuer maybe "I matter BECAUSE I achieved X and Z" Goes on hand with"I dont matter BECAUSE I didnt achieve X or Z" What Im aiming with the step 4 is to get to this "my needs are important, my needs are taken care of, this is the norm" "My needs matter and I have value, that's the way it is" Non transactional value Meaning - this is how you operate with people too - your relationship with that mother archetype is present on every interaction If that relationship is broken - then you're stuck repeating that game with everyone, specially women On the below side, you go with "I dont have enough value, how can I service you my princess so you give me some crumbs of value please" "My needs dont matter, but how can I fulfill your needs?" And on the above side "My needs matter because I have this external value, and you want that thing dont you, so give me what I want"

11:34 AM

Which really comes down to to the same place "I dont have enough value, so I achieved this external thing to use as a bait so I can get what I want even though I dont feel I deserve it" On the case of the guys that go above but still have that gap, the negative feeling of lack of self worth is "blocked", suppressed Which results in a blockage of feelings Which is why you cried doing 4

There's no win path when the foundation has that hole, either you go below and the world crushes you, or you build a big castle that is fragile and requires constant patching I had a lot of ups and downs and crashs and burns for this thing specfically

================= Being liked as a BG: I play along, Im harmless, I do as told, I don't offend, I please, Im team player, I don't stand out, Im submissive, I mask my intentions, I hide myself, Im subordinate, Im passenger, I dont put my needs first, I take lose / win situations where I lose often, I avoid conflicts Being liked as a TG: I lead, I initiate, I stand out, I cross boundaries, I seek compliance, I reward compliance and punish non compliance, Im clear, Im decisive, Im upfront, I put my needs first but go for win win, I seek conflicts and resolve them =========== At the emotional core of BG, he's looking to be liked so he's admitted on a group and leech self esteem At the emotional core of TG, he's self-validated and now looking to go from A to B (get what he wants) and carrying other people along for the ride. People liking him means the tribe is united around him, it's the glue

================================================ Think this - on the BG / bluepill model, you know that girls find things attractive Money, expensive cars, fashion, grooming, muscles So you go get those, eg. a porsche You KNOW girls will find that attractive and come to screen Girls find success attractive too And positions of authority Be the boss of something, win a prize, have a lot of people cheering, you KNOW girls will be attracted to that and come to screen Add this to the list - on a rational / logical manner The thing girls are more attracted to is DOMINANT MALE personality Girls are more attracted to DOMINANT MALE than they are to porsches, money, status, success DOMINANT MALE is just a "thing" though If you act like DOMINANT MALE then girls also come to screen and gravitate towards that Being competent - irrelevant to being dominant Having money - irrelevant to being dominant Success in life - irrelevant to being dominant Some guys are dominant since they are born With no achievements or track record or performance or skills Ang girls gravitate towards these guys So from your current mindset, just realize that having "DOMINANT MALE" behavior is attractive, per se, with no other reasons, with no need of anything else - DOMINANCE on itself is something girls crave, and it trumps all the other stuff What I write about TG is a frame where DOMINANCE can operate as the default behavior The resistance and back and forth that you (and me) and the other guys experience comes from having SUBMISSION as a base trait (edited)

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SUBMISSIVE MALE has to die and go away SUBMISSIVE MALE is girl repellent as a general rule, and only matches with girls that will exploit the submission for their own agenda What are dominance / submission? a pair of behavioral games that we have ingrained in biology, and determine how we operate in hierarchy What is the hierarchy? a power structure, a pyramid, where the guy at the top (leader) commands the tribe through a chain of command, which each step following / doing submission to the steps above, and acting dominant, leading the steps below That's how it works in societies

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The base wiring for the female biology is to have sex with guys who are ABOVE in hierarchy Which means that when they are exposed to the key elements that denote that a guy is above in hierarchy they get sexually aroused Money / status / etc things that come from competence and put a man ahead in the pyramid signal that he is ABOVE And the behavior "DOMINANCE" is the main signifier when in a personal interaction Or, the girl will come because she sees status / porsche / money / success but then she interacts with you looking for DOMINANCE ============= So you need DOMINANCE as a trait And let SUBMISSION go, dead, gone, for good, forever Having DOMINANCE as a trait automatically / automagically makes girls in general compliant, submissive, aroused, and happy to be around you More powerful than having money success porsche etc The thing is you can't be "dominant with girls" - you need to be dominant in real life, it needs to be an actual trait Why - because 1) The girls will shit test the shit out of you, they are looking for the real deal and are good at feeling when it's fake 2) Can't be faked All the problems getting girls - they all come from trying to get women through submission Or, trying to get them from below Or, trying to trick women that you see as prizes on pedestals above you to give you time so you sneak into them Aka: Positioning If you come to women as a submissive man that sees them above of you - you're going AGAINST BIOLOGY The game is rigged against you and it's brutally uninterested on your survival. The use for a submissive man is to perform his task and die While the DOMINANT MAN gets all the pussy rubbed on his face nonstop, plus all the life opportunities thrown at him Aint fair if you're into fairness

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So, from your state of mind, think of getting TG is the same as getting a porsche Its a thing, that is attractive on its own merits It doesnt need to be supported by anything external, it just is Just like boobs and curves are attractive to men just because, and just like your specific-type girls are attractive to you, just because The thing on itself is the value TG is the value Dominance is the value =============================== (edited)

============ On shit tests, girl giving you jealousy plots and cheating =============== Kicker 1 of 2 That swamp you're going into now, that emotional state, is the intention behind her question. She's addressing that weakness specifically. What does that make her line / question? Eg. She could have gone out with the friend* without telling you. The purpose here is to make you face it. What's this then ========

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So here's the kicker 2 of 2 No amount of agreements promises and gifts and demonstrations and said words have any inch of influence on if a woman will cheat or not Exclusive relationships are not exclusive The only question is Are you the best man she can get and how willing is she to lose you Girls with boyfriends cheat, engaged girls cheat, wifes cheat Grandmas likely cheat if they can The driving force there is "get the alpha" The only actual thing you can "do" if you dont want your girls to fuck around, is being the best option The caviat to that Is that even if you're the best option, if you're giving her intrasexual competition by fucking around, she'll look for plan B, always In case you abandon her That's when girls go and bang betas for emotional comfort (and the rare occasion when betas get laid with beta game) So the girls who're with alphas either go and bang higher alphas, or bang bad boys when they are feeling hurt because mr alpha is banging another 16 girls Or bangs a beta who's been around offering flowers and icecream for a while The relationship status is meaningless The only question is 1) Are you her best option 2) How much she fears losing you 2 is a consequence of 1 If you're not her best option, forget about that girl not 'cheating' Its inevitable If you're her best option, she may still do it Depending on if she needs a plan B If you're fucking other girls, getting a plan B is also inevitable Which is why I dont bang other women But your commitment to her has zero effect on her own commitment If you're more committed than she is, then she gets anti-commitment And acting out of FEAR is the worse option - regardless of what choices you make Because a man acting out of FEAR aint her best option Even if you're the only man on earth ============

======================================== These gradients exist AFTER the main on / off switch There are shades of TG But what is your core? What rules your life As a general rule - are you driving your own life, or passenger; are you dominant, or submissive; are you leading, or following; are you in command, or subordinate; are you direct and assertive, or passive aggressive; are you on the front line and moving through adversity towards your main goals, or are you hiding away on a comfort zone What's your actual state When faced with opportunity do you take it, or do you shut down When in presence of a challenge, do you grow up to match it, or do you get smaller and lost Do you go for openings or go for walls When interacting with others do you bring the value into the interaction, or are you trying to leech value Who is you That's the on / off switch You can move into the threshold of that on / off switch with gradual movement For WOMEN none of that matters until you're pass the threshold For you, yes it matters, and the gradual movement can work, gradually For WOMEN you can't go "hey I've got a TG level 3, but look at all the other stuff I offer" People in general dont understand change and movement, and that's more true with women Women think whatever you are now is all you've ever been and ever will be Cuts both ways too Once a winner, then a loser? loser forever and discarded Once a loser, then a winner? you were always a winner! Idiots

Famous words by Cooper - "women dont care about your struggles, they wait on the finish line and pick the winners"

======================= I have 2 kids and a wife, if I was at the mercy of their vibe things would go downhill quickly Kid is crying, I engage, listen to what's up, lead somewhere else, kid gets happier Kids are fighting, I break in, solve the problem make them play nice Wife is grumpy, I ignore or 'game', gets better With the people working for me, lots of personal conflicts all the time people people are idiots, have to manage and set things straight daily With the clients, same deal Its a constant restructuring of the world bouncing on me to align to where I want things to go While at the same letting them be if they don't wanna play along But most of the time people react positively / want to follow the leader who's going somewhere good People with bad vibe = passengers looking for a driver "somebody's gotta fix this" Go outside, see a bunch of people at bars etc, vibe is off? most likely the'd also like if the vibe was better but nobody is leading there Come with good vibe and leading = people follow Vibe changes (edited)

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============ Imagine you're the buyer / client You want a car Call the salesperson Person doesnt have a good car for you, you hang up Person has a good car for you, you buy Your leadership isn't conditioned by the salesperson Both purchasing and hanging up are your leadership What you do is see if the deal is good for you, and you either move forward or more forward somewhere else You're not at any point under the mercy of the salesperson The salesperson doesnt condition what you will do The only thing conditioning what you'll do, is the question of what you want to do The moment the salesperson can condition what you'll do, you're screwed as a buyer In the case of women, the moment they can condition your behavior, you're double screwed Screwed if they reject you, and screwed if they take you in ======== In the analogy of the sex slaves and anal, the girl who was more happy about being fucked in the ass is not conditioning your leadership She is FOLLOWING your leadership So engaging with her more is better for you Not at any point you're asking for permission, nor is she giving you the path to move forward At best what she'll do is give you openings / get aroused in a specific way / have a specific way to match YOUR desire that is also good for her Makes sense? You're not below in the interaction - can't be, or you're fucked You're the boss Then she either plays along or she doesn't Your leadership and positioning is intact And when that's the case - when you're the boss and your leadership and positioning is intact regardless of what they do, then all the girls are more likely to want to play, because that type personality is what they crave Then they all behave like this one

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Here's the succint - When I say "arouse her" you're likely framing it as "yes guy trying to get in" "how do I fuck her" etc, a lot of work to be done in order to get that prize / get the girl But what arouses a girl is TG So what you need to do si to be TG with her What does it look like What do you want exactly? Do that Lead Does she follow? reward, does she not? punish Be in buyer frame, not seller frame Do you want to be engaging more sexually with the girl? be more sexual Is she receptive? do more / invest more Is she not receptive? do less, disengage, push away The screening process turns the girl on When I say "arouse her" I dont mean "contemplate her like she's a puzzle with a million buttons and try to find the right combination to unlock that so you can snatch that desired object" It needs to align instead The girl's part of the dance is to explicitly put her pussy on your face and tell you exactly what is the combination of things she wants Last night FR the girl started talking philosophy - you punished it Then she comes into your body and wants to latch on you you - you punished it So the girl is already showing how she gets turned on Your reaction to those are not compatible with you wanting those things So she goes away to give these opportunities to someone else ===

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ast night FR the girl started talking philosophy - you punished it Then she comes into your body and wants to latch on you you - you punished it So the girl is already showing how she gets turned on Your reaction to those are not compatible with you wanting those things So she goes away to give these opportunities to someone else === I like philosophy so I'd have engaged with her there But if a girl brings up the kardashians Im going to mock her Both things are compatible with "what I want", and a girl who likes the kardashians is likely going to be receptive to not talking about trash celebrity culture unless we're mocking it Its "what do I want" ME In your case you're out of the ME So the girl is putting a lot of stuff in front of you and you're "tease" punishing that for no reason, while trying to get in and wondering what to do to get the girl She's telling you The next question is - is that what you want ============= What arouses a girl: an alpha type / tg / man in buying frame / who knows what they want and is screening (leading, initiating, rewarding, punishing ) her for what he wants What doesnt arouse a girl: a beta type / bg / man in seller frame / yes guy / who doesnt know what he wants other than he wants 'her' without even knowing what 'she is' and is trying to do tricks to stimulate her somehow in order to steal her value PUA vs man

========================== Whatever a girl is, that's what she likes Girls are static Girls are static points, men are vectors It means who you are is half potential The man is "who he is right now" + "who you could actually be at your best" Then your value is determined depending on if you're aiming to that potential or not Taking your current "who you are right now" as the base Also you can feel that

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On the BG frame that comes across as "Im not enough, but hey look at where I could be... with your help / if you let me" TG comes across as "Im the shit right now, and pfff my aspirations are well beyond your reach, so high it's pointless to tell you about them" Yes The BG qualifies to others for not measuring to their self-potential The TG uses his potential to qualify others

============================= First stop doing this thing "Slut to major slut scale 6 to 7" You're enacting blue pill fantasy "madona whore" split Start of the assumption that they are all whores, there are no madonas The reason for that is : You are molding to the girl and thinking that you need to offer more beta the more "virgin " a girl is "Girl is 7 virgin I need a ton of beta": "Girl is 3 virgin I need some beta" "Girl is 9 slut I need to do only 1 beta" The belief system that is being masked by the madona / whore dychotomy, is that beta has any value at all But virgins dont want betas either Both the whore and the madonna will fuck the alpha male stud So in order to break your pattenrs, act like they are all whores, and act like you already fucked them Stop talking to the prude side of a girl from a beta persona Start talking to the wilder side of a girl from an alpha persona

"what you are vs what you do" Words words To be is a verb Zoom out - and you're a collection of traits, impulses, memories, emotions, zoom more back, you're none of it but the recipient that holds these things Zoom in, you "are" what you do, or the pieces / traits / behaviors you enact In this moment But normally speaking, "who you are" is a feeling Its what do you identify as you You take stuff in / data / experiences / viewpoints, bounce that against whatever you hold inside, then it resonates or not "that's me" "that's not me" But the act of holding anything inside / holding anything as "you" is choice too If you zoom back "who you are" is a shape you self identify with, and the shape is defined by what you choose to be, which is a doing

================= Rollo's whole thing is about the female imperative, seen as a negative What's missing in his approach: the male imperative Focusing on the female imperative as a negative makes you reactive That's the 'wall' Hidden in his approach is a blue pill "I wish the female imperative wasn't so" So how exactly would he like things to be? That complete spectrum is missing The proper approach is: focus on the male imperative "what do you want" You'll find that the female imperative pretty much is there to support your wants So take the openings And punish the bad stuff as you go

========================= The self mothering part is hard to do for us, bewarned It goes against masculinity Which is why it's the role of the mother to set you there ====== You're perfect, you're taken care of, your needs matter, you deserve anything you want, you can cry and be weak, I'll embrace you unconditionally, you're my perfect boy, I give anything to you want ========== Its an emotional state, not a belief Its unconditional nurturing Start off by pampering yourself and indulging on your desires, and telling yourself that you deserve anything you want With no trade offs or conditionals You deserve anything you want because you're you Then, when things go bad and you're feeling weak / lost / you're angry, sad whatever Embrace that pain and tell it it's ok to feel that way Fully feel the dispair, while telling yourself that you're perfect Give infinite self acceptance to yourself, even if weak, lost, hurt The masculine force sees a bad thing and wants to fix it The feminine force embraces the bad thing and - gives love to it Which is why I said this is "hard for us" So to fix the mother archetype / do self mothering Feel the bad shit, go there and DONT FIX ANYTHING Just stay there While you give complete acceptance / love / self nurture right there On an emotional level Not on a practical level Find the emotional void that is making you overgame Stop fixing And give yourself complete acceptance "It's ok to seek validation, Im perfect" "Im the perfect little mommas boy, Im infinitely loved, anything I do is right"

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========== What you're doing with the overgaming is trying to get validation from an external source (mom, projected onto the girl) because you lack the internal validation So when you catch yourself looking external validaiton, stop Go into your feelings And let them be Validate yourself Lets compare with the masculine side of things and how things stack You had controlling mother etc At some point you decided to rebel and be your own man And went on to your current path of becoming the man you want to be So you have a weak boy / broken start somewhere That's the start of the journey Then applied your intelligence and did steps to go from A to B All these steps were enacted and you physically moved from A to B However, A is still alive And B is always a state that is on top of A and keeps doing steps to fix or remedy A Or, the whole current identity you're pursuing has its core identity based on where it's coming from Which is different / feels different, as always having been the man you're now Or, imagine you would have always been the current man You were born TG, acted TG, life was easy, nothing but opportunities and prizes and good things coming your way, and you had always been in a dominant, winning position

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How would what FEEL "Invincible" There That was the job of mom To make you feel that way So now you have to make yourself feel that way, so A is repaired Its feeling - it's not "practical steps" has nothing to do with logic When the boy is playing and gets hurt, he runs to mom And mom embraces him and the hurt, and gives him something to eat, and tenders him Boy fails, mom tells him he's still perfect, nurtures him Whatever happens, he's still the golden boy That's not your mom, nor was mine But that's the archetype as it should On the other side, the dad punishes and wants the boy to be great "stop crying pussy, suck it up, go try again" The mom archetype is unconditional The father archetype is conditional When played properly - the mom gives you an unconditional self acceptance that you're good no matter what While the father shows you the board and teaches yout he rules to achieve greatness So father = war / victory and loses Mother = unconditional love When you don't have the mother archetype in place, you try to get the whole thing from the father ladder So you end up pursuing unconditional love / acceptance by doing conditional things / exterior victories and stuff "I want to be loved and accepted for who I am / therefore I become something that Im not?" It's a short circuit "Im going to become a great man and win my wars and pass all the conditions.... so I can be loved unconditionally..." But the mom's love never comes that way Feminine love Is only given unconditionally Which is how the beta / transactional game breaks Or, men who dont think they can be loved unconditionally, try to buy that love by doing things Giving things, doing the father ladder, competing, doing, pursuing, winning, giving, proving And it creates the opposite effect in women Makes sense?

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In PUA jergon they speak of this as "unrectiveness" "self point of origin" "amused mastery" etc But they still have the short circuit Why - because the act of pursuing the girl means you want something right? so how can you be "outcome independent" That's because the self validation is still the outcome So in PUA you improve your game by suffocating the self validation while still pursuing self validation The answer is Your self validation has nothing to do with your pursue of your wants "Im gonna improve my game and become perfect, the'll I'll have validation!!!" The result is you get laid but dont get validation Notches dont fix this Also in the process of learning game, you become something you're not - so the girls are validating your game but not you At the end, getting laid is self-degrading Because "its not you" And whenever you "act like you" you lose the girl "Act like an uncaring macho man that doesnt need validation, to get validation for my weak little boy who wasnt loved" "but each time I show my little boy who wasnt loved, I get unloved again" Here's red pill in a line: Women dont care about me, they care about alpha. My options are become alpha to trick / extract validation for me, or reject women altogheter because they never care about me What's missing there "Im already validated" "I dont need validation from women, Im already perfect" On the ironies of red pill and blue pill:

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All the validation is given to the man who doesnt need validation The search for 'the one' = mom There's no 'one' The one was the one who tendered you as a baby Then she did a good or bad job at it So I get asked how this manifests in behavior And the answer is you already have the parts - There are a lot of things you do in life and pursue that are unrelated to validation, and you have no issues acting them Example Wake up in the morning, get something to eat Go to a restaurant, order food Buy groceries Do hobbies / jobs, whatever There are things you WANT and DO That have nothing to do with you trying to get validation If you had internal validation, then pursuing / banging women would be in the same slot Man sees woman, flirts, looks like fun, pursues, bangs No self validation here, was never on the plate Self validation has nothing to do with it Also the girl instintively screens for it If your self validation depends on her: She doesnt want you

Girl only opens legs for top men who're already validated Or if your validation depends on her and she opens her legs, she's not opening them because she wants to, but because she has an agenda and wants to extract something from you. It's transactional in nature. Wants security, resources, something So she toys with your self validation to get whatever else she needs So summing up your chats

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=========== Raja: (looks like a self validated man) Girl: I want to fuck Raja: Do you validate me? Girl: YES! Raja: How about now? ======= Hatred of women = I hate mom for not giving me unconditional love. Doesnt matter what I DO for her is never enough to get UNCONDITIONAL love! There's a broken loop there When the girl is shit testing, each variant of it is a version of "Is your validation dependent on me"

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How can you do both at the same time. It's not the same source Identify them as two separate sources On one hand is your self validation, which is infine and granted Imagine this is about money Imagine you have a bank account with a trillion dollars Imagine you're rich and all deserving That's mom Doesnt matter what happens, you're taken care of Doesnt matter if you lose or win, you're fine You're safe You're protected Your value is 10 The base core emotional state "Im perfect, Im fucking great" Now What do you want to do with that Where do you go, what do you pursue, which games you play What do you turn this into Which ladders do you climb, which wars do you engage in Thats Father On one hand you have "infinite self love which is unconditional regardless of what shape you're in" Mom Feminine Like water On the other hand you have desires, aspirations, pursues, potential, ambition, adventure, principles, etc, thats "The man you are trying to become, the highest ideal of you" And the pursue of that is Father But that's not for validation (mom) There's a specific 'feel' on pursuing your true path Not sure if we have a word for it Meaning?

=========== I dont think we have proper language for this Lets call them "emotional blocks" Your emotional state is built with blocks So when you're doing whatever else, you're carrying these blocks in your emotional state If you have blocks of these that are unwanted, then you manage around them Build systems to not touch them But at times part of the things you do it brings them to the surface Or you may be enacting them - like looking validation from girls because "need validation from female source" is one of the blocks you've got So calling them emotional blocks As in lego pieces At the base, the way you relate to male and female are determined by your relationship with mother / father archetype Which was molded by the people who had the job of operating from them and likely butchered it So it's not like it's a "feeling" Or expressing It's a reality What I FEEL is that my needs matter and my value is 10 and I don't need validation from women And that I deserve anything I want To the point that "deserving" doesnt resonate I look at a lamborgini and a super nice 10 billion house and what I FEEL is that that thing is mine, because I want it On an emotional level I want it = I deserve it The rest is logistics Like, price Ugh, dont have that money, need to make that money then That's where Father comes in "things have price and if you wanna buy this you need this money, so lets see how we can make this money" While mom is saying in the background "so pretty, so nice house... but you can always come home for soup! how are you today?" All the above is emotion Not dialog lines I want something: I automatically have an unconditional acceptance that that thing is mine as a right, plus a determination of how to make it happen in the outside world

==================== Revenge is BG by definition Easy example - do you play chess In a chess game, you move pieces and eat pieces It's part of the game The objective is to do checkmate on the other player Lets say the other player eats your queen Doing revenge is idiotic "Now Im going to eat their queen and their horse!!!! he'll learn to treat me with respect!!!" Looking for words Revenge is the desire to make someone learn that you have value and they shouldn't have messed with you So revenge still has the other person as the validator And you're gaining validation by inflicting pain When you inflict pain, you close the gap in value And find peace Or that's the idea So the desire for revenge = desire to have value in the eyes of the one who devaluated you Revenge belongs in female world Everyone thought I was worthless, but I will show them! they were wrong! If you're not self validated but looking for external validation, when someone doesnt validate you, you have no means to fix that yourself, so you're looking for the transgressor to fix it by giving the validation back. When the person is unwilling to cooperate, then you fantasize about inflicting pain to take it by force: revenge But then revenge doesnt bring you peace, because nothing can really fill that gap Enter "passive aggressive" A passive aggressive pattern is when someone fears confrontation and has their boundaries constantly crossed, so they look for ways to inflict back the pain after the matter So the boundary is never drawn, but the pain is dealt back So passive aggressive people are always having their boundaries crossed, are always inflicting pain back to the world in subtle ways, always avoiding direct conflict, always in revenge mode If you dont fear confrontation, the moment a boundary is crossed it's dealt with when it happens, instantly The boundary is properly drawn, so there's not a drip of 'pay back' that stretches over time, also the situation doesnt repeat again

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When I gave you the example of being late for work 1. Boss doesnt say anything but acts grumpy all day = passive aggressive 2. Boss sits with you and explains that being late is bad, being punctual is good (trying to negotiate the boundary, motherly / fatherly role, miss aplied, will make you be late again) 3. Boss sends you home, no pay for that day, tells you to think about if you want this job The option 3 draws the boundary and has you assume responsibility on your own about what you want to do. And you know that doing it again means you're getting fired No explanation required Now imagine revenge Boss doesnt buy coffee for you Boss discounts salary without telling you, then when you go to complain the boss tells you "you're always late!" Boss changes your chair for a more uncomfortable one Boss diminishes you in front of people The revenge is a fucking fantasy because the personality type that dreams with paying back the pain, also doesnt have the balls to do anything Because it fears confrontation If it didnt fear confrontation, it would have drawn the boundary as soon as it was crossed Not AFTER But the above is how all women work

With degrees of variance Well depending on the variants some do the opposite I get treated bad? I offer more comfort, candy and goodies

================== Hypergamy: Women are attracted to men who are above them in hierarchy and not below them in hierarchy. Women are attracted to alpha and not attracted to beta. Women want successful men and not losers. Women want confident self fulfilled men and not insecure needy men Guess who sees hypergamy as a negative? If you're a man on the alpha spectrum then the girls are never a problem = you're a natural, wonder what's up with all the men complaning The truths are not toxic - the issue is the community, it's a bunch of men who are out of the party complaining about the rules of the party and the reasons why they are excluded They keep putting women on a pedestal and wanting to find women who are "good" Where "good" means a woman who likes beta A) It doesnt exist B) They try to get that good woman by posturing Alpha Its a fuckup "I hate women who reject me and go for alpha, so I'll impersonate an alpha and fuck them / or I'll impersonate an alpha and find a good woman who likes beta" Basic logic fail Shows you that men are also pure emotional beings, "logic" and reason are only surface level Used to rationalize things only The other thing is understanding that alpha / beta, TG / BG are pre existing, prewired roles in biology, these are things we "snap into" not things we are

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Or we "are" them when we snap and act / do / behave from these So none of these guys "ARE" beta, they are "BEING" beta Its a doing They are choosing If I give you freedom to pick either a good choice or a bad choice, and I tell you which is the good choice and the bad choice, and you pick the bad choice, that's on you When presented with "alpha is attractive / beta is unattractive" the guys get more rooted into beta instead of moving into alpha Why? "Because alpha doesnt FEEL like me" Its pure emotion "Here are my excuses on why I can't be alpha, that's too much, it doesnt FEEL right" etc Which is why the self nurturing thing helps in here as it eases the emotional discomfort (edited)

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Negs are arousing because very expression from TG is arousing Neg is "negative judgement" What is attractive about the neg isn't the "negative" part but the "Judgement" part Judgement comes from authority Authority comes from hierarchy On the other extreme of the neg you have the flirt / reward Flirt / reward is "positive judgement" What's attractive there inst the positive part, but the judgement, and judgement comes from authority, which comes from hierarchy So the TG can give positive or negative judgement, both are equally arousing - when they come with authority, which means from above Contrast that with beta thinking / frame - the beta can only do positive judgement and it comes from below in the hierarchy, kissing up. The value is on the "positive" and not on the judgement itself. The judgement doesnt have any value because it's below in hierarchy, so the only value offered is to submit Which is why beta / bg frame cant understand how something negative, the neg, can have value "How is that a neg turns on the girl" Its not the neg, it's the authority Its the judgement So - for that to work, its not about the lines or words If you neg a girl from below to arouse her, then you dont have any authority You're just trying to get in by other methods The neg "Works" when you're actually passing negative judgement knowing that it will cause pain and that's exactly what you wanted to cause, because your judgement is more important than the emotions it'll cause In other words my judgement about discipline is more important to me than her comfort about being a lazy ass, and this is what I communicated = neg And she plays along If this wasnt the case and Im a lazy ass and we actually align on the other spectrum then I could have said ======== Me: That's ok, we're allowed to be terrible sometimes ========= And she would have loved it too But Im not trying to "bang her", Im trying to find if I like something in her

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============ When BG goes out at night he doesnt know anybody - and he still submits to random strangers Every BG submits to everything, not because the rest of the world has more value, but because submission is the game he was socialized to play Which is why I talked about dogs Every beta male was socialized into submission While most girls were socialized into dominant chihuahuas (edited)

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Yes - it's just like a boxer But it's about the process of when you took boxing and put on the boxing gloves on and started throwing punches Before you were one At that point you had zero "evidence" that you're a boxer, and you still did it What doesnt happen there is - you're not looking for something external to tell you that you're a boxer You're not looking for evidence or proof or a feedback look to validate you as a boxer, so you then can be one Instead you put on the gloves and start doing it That's the "switch" Since TG / BG are just mental states, or mental frames This will never happen "You need evidence that you're TG. Evidence = experience." If you need evidence that you're TG to be TG, then you'll never be TG Switching to alpha for a min ALPHA is the initiator On the male hierarchy / human game interactions, ALPHA does the first move ALPHA doesnt wait for evidence that he can do the first move before he makes it That's the defining characteristic PUA / Rollo etc call that "Mental point of origin" and PUA has it as "nonreactiveness" ALPHA is always acting, instead of reacting Which means there's no prior evidence for ALPHA that he's alpha ALPHA is the act of acting / taking initiative without evidence When the boxer decides to start boxing, that happens prior evidence that boxing can be a real thing That moment is driven by the desire of the thing, not by evidence of the thing ALPHA wants something, sees the path ahead on his mind - and that path ahead fills him with energy and the action "happens" While Beta / BG wants something, and on his mind instead of a path he sees walls, and walls for the walls, and reasons why not to move forward - then switches to looking for "evidence" that the thing can be done

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This is externalized in all the BG pattern behaviors - seeking approval (before doing something), passing the lead (so someone else does the thing) - "Looking for evidence" "Looking for experience that tells me it's ok to do the thing" =========== The feedback loop for TG / Alpha happens AFTER the action is taken Not before AFTER the action is taken, AFTER the move has been made, AFTER theres action, AFTER the alpha / tg takes the lead and the upperhand position, AFTER TG, THEN there's feedback loop The feedback loop, evidence, experience, never happens BEFORE the action is taken And in the cases where it happens - when BG personality gets the type feedback loop / evidence that an alpha would get, then BG quickly buries that and pushes that feedback loop away because BG doesnt know or want to know what to do there Or Chances are you're getting multiple type evidences that you're TG, or, people, human interactions, girls, situations where you're giving the opportunity to lead more, to be above, to take charge, to have initiative, so the "evidence" is there, but you keep pushing it away Evidence / feedback loop / experience doesnt do shit to make you TG Unless you have the initiative and the feedback loop is happening AFTER you took action Then things click The whole conundrum here is that you have to initiate the process and you need to be the one moving first For any of the feedback loop to make any sense As you gain experience don't acting bg or acting tg Another thing there with the experience If you see small kids / or small kitten, you can see which ones exhibit dominance and which ones are submissive This is happening without any previous experience The "naturals" for whatever reason started enacting TG behavior / alpha traits, taking initiative / taking command and they got a feedback loop that ratified them there

9:16 AM

Look children, look at the "bullies" They started bullying without previous experience that they could be bullies Its AFTER they bully, that they see the effect that bullying has on their victims and the type of power that comes with it Same for the ones that allow themselves to be bullied - they go engage in that game without previous experience, and get the matching feedback loop Look babies crying - they start crying and wanting someone to take care of their pain, without previous experience Where Im going at with this is - all these pattern behaviors and mental states exist within us from the day we're born When they are enacted, the world / the exterior reacts to them and provides a feedback loop that is compatible with that thing The bully may get rewarded or punished - in a feedback loop that matches "how games are played with bullies" The submissive personality gets pushed down or comforted, in a feedback loop that matches submissive personality The beta gets beta feedback loop Etc All that happens after the fact, not before So To become TG Stop needing validation, evidence, experience, that you're TG "Just do it"

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The need of evidence and experience that you're TG before you can be really TG, is, in itself, Anti-TG Antigame First be TG Then the world will tell you if you're doing it right or wrong First lead Then the world will either follow you or not Then you can fine tune things But the "Switch" needs to happen before there's any evidence or feedback loop Since you can't use your current reality / circumstances to validate something or give you any type of evidence / experience that would make you switch frames Any type of feedback / evidence / anything that you get with your current frame - will only make your CURRENT whatever frame you have, stronger Act BG - get more evidence / more feedback loop that you're BG, forever Act TG - get evidence / feedback loop that you're TG, forever Act Beta, get beta evidence Act Alpha, get alpha evidence Succint version:

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========== You're never going to have evidence or experience that you're TG while being BG To get evidence / experience that you're TG you need to be TG first ========== Then repetition can give you mastery / make you become good at it But at the core, deep down, down to the truth You're either seeing yourself as below, or above You're either taking initiative, or following You're either self validated, or seeking validation These small things are the crux and they move the rest of the behaviors. These small things dont care about evidence or experience, they existed before evidence or experience, but now after many years of playing those games, now you have a lot of accumulated experience and maybe even mastery at playing those games

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Also as we've chatted before, when doing BG things with TG tricks on top to get validation that you're TG, that's like saying pua lines to get laid - in the process "somehow" you still can't switch, because what happened is that you're BG doing a trick to get something that "is not for you", even winning there just makes you more BG and reliant on tricks, and because you're getting stuff you wanted but it isnt really for you but for the persona you're faking to be, it's not fulfilling, there's a self degradation game in place It's like faking that you're friends with someone, then they tell you "you're my best friend" - part of you will rejoice that your trick worked, but at the same time that relationship is now devalued, you hate yourself for faking, and hate the other person for falling for it (this is also what makes narcissists play the love bombing followed by the devaluation game) So even getting laid like a rockstar or becoming a millionaire can't make you TG. It's not about the evidence. Having contextual alpha status doesnt make you TG. All the evidence in the world can't make you TG. Look at Elon Musk Elon Musk has less TG in him than the common toddler bully from kindergarten, less swagger than the usual bartender Less self confidence than the usual semi hot blonde girl Get it? Go for TG first, let evidence sort itself out

9:19 AM

======= Mental note for the day: Be TG, fuck evidence ======= When the "evidence" comes back, if it's good reward, if it's bad punish That alone - taking initiative, putting yourself above, being self validated, then passing judgement (positive/negative) to what comes back, puts you on the right path immediately

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1:49 PM

About discipline Discipline is "what I must" TG is "what I want" Discipline means there's resistance and you're fighting resistance by pushing obstacles down, usually these obstacles are your own desires that want to rebel against what needs to be done If you're in BG frame, then you use discipline to push yourself down into doing things - I've referred to this as "the split" before. To make yourself do things, you formulate a mini TG pushing you down, then you embody the BG to go do as told. Eventually the energy runs out and you snap back to the easier, less tense form. So this works, or "works" for short periods of time, it consumes a lot of energy What needs to happen instead is that you move fully into "what needs to be done" and do permanent life changes, so the new state is comfortable and you don't snap out of it when you relax - this means, it can't be driven by a mini TG telling you to do stuff, and you can't be doing stuff because someone else (or yourself) is pushing you into things ======= How to get there is 1) stop the bg, including the split, including discipline

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2) Focus on the want and pursue the want instead If you're out of shape / misaligned, pursuing your wants may take you to wrong places. Pursuing your wants and doing "4" which means "your wants are perfect" may lead you to overindulge, overeat, get fat and lazy etc, and hear this out: This is FINE Eventually, even if you're getting lost by just pursuing your wants, you'll reach a discomfort state and realize that this path is not what you want, and that you want something else Then you can move past the slog and pursue what you want - as a want, and not as a must You can skip the part of getting lost if you go deeper into the wants and find the stronger ones - do you want to have a good body / then you want to exercise. Do you want to have more money / then you want to find better opportunities and want to put the hours it'll take you to go there But the driving force must be the "want" From Want to Action without going through "must" and without relying on an internal split where you treat yourself like a moron who must do as told So no "discipline" ============== On the other side of the coin, if you're on TG frame, there's no difference between Wants and Must Discipline is a corrective force that helps you achieve the goal you want Discipline belongs in the "cost / trade off required to obtain a wanted result" Example: You only have 400 bucks and want to save 200, then you focus on not spending more money than you have. You want to sleep more, then you go to bed earlier. You want to lose weight, then you do fasting. You want muscle, you go to the gym. While on the process of doing these self restrictions, you face discomfort - but the discomfort is WANTED. You want X, there's a price to pay to get X, you pay the price, you do the hard thing, etc, and this can be externally described as "discipline" specially if you do it as a routine

1:52 PM

Another way of putting it: you don't need to be disciplined into doing what you want But if you do what you want, you can do it with discipline: orderly and focused

==================== "What I'm asking is.....when situations happen a BG will have his struggle belief enforced and take it as a way of actors life. How would a TG react internally , will he take this as a rejection or ....well no worries something else will come up ?" Man it's not complicated So here's a simple answer BG comes pre-disqualified and looking for external validation into new situations When bad situations happen, the BG doesn't look at what happened, instead it uses the situation to validate the internal story Whatever bad assumption the BG had, it confirms it - even if it's totally unrelated to what actually happened If you remove that psychological trap, then you can actually look at what happened Which will be different in every situation Lets say you're on your way to become a tennis player, but carry self doubt The BG will lose a match and hear in his mind / heart "Fuck Im not good enough, Im never going to make it" and take actions that are in accordance with these emotions Quit or overcompensate or freak out or get depressed TG instead will look at the situation and think "why did I lose?" Was it the technique? was it the speed? was it the energy? was it the strenght? how did the guy beat me? What do I need to do to beat this guy next time? So analyzing the defeat will give the TG all the info needed to train / change / adapt / improve and come stronger for the next match In the case of your acting - you go to an audition, don't get the role, but then you see who got it So what was it?

11:41 PM

Was it looks? was it acting competence? was it better networking with the casting agencies? was it more preparedness? was it more improv? what exactly did that guy / gal did better, for that role, than you From acting to human connections to salary compensation to everything HOW exactly did you lose Then fix that And try stronger The whole "I knew it, Im a loser and Im not gonna make it!" never crosses the TG mind "Also if this comes in mind it has to be processed with 4 ?" Yes and that's the only way to handle these emotions Feel them, do self nurturing These emotions have nothing to do with the actual situation They are being triggered by the situation but have nothing to do with it So you have them - feel them, then look at the actual situation

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11:25 AM

The codependent traits are all BG traits Even if you're not a full blown codependent, check for the traits The codependent takes his identity / value from putting himself lower in relationship to someone else in a hierarchy (can be two people) and extracting validation by pleasing them That's every PUA / gamer ever

11:25 AM

People in general but it's a game To be able to play the game with people, you need a cooperative partner So codependents naturally match with narcissists Like abused people match with abusers To be able to play a game where you please and get validation from putting yourself below others - you need to find someone who places themselves above you and are hard to please Otherwise there's no "click" This is where the PUAs come with the "seduction must be hard" And it's a win when they chase a girl hard and put up with all the bullshit but get a bang at the end It's a codependent chasing a narcissist Girl was aroused and was easy? "doesnt count!" "give me a nagging narcissist that really makes me work hard" Or, if you're BG and have a pattern of going for walls, climbing them like they are ladders, and afraid of openings and no leadership - you're going to match with girls / people who give you plenty of walls but end up leading / telling you what to do Then you're in fucking hell but you think it's working

11:25 AM

PUA as created by Mystery is codependent chasing narcissist The desire to impress a woman to get validation is a codependent trait Getting your identity from other people's approval = BG = codependent Codependent "lack of self love syndrome" as defined by this guy It's not a perfect match for BG because - no one in psychology seems to be studying human hierarchy I may be the only one

BG is positioning, codependence is lack of self love / seeking to get it from other people But narcissists also lack self love and get it from other people Just in a different game Narcissists take, Codependents give Codependents try win / win, or win / lose against themselves, aiming for a transaction Narcissists take and only give as a trick, to get more, it's win / lose in their favor all along Most men in Game are Codependent or have enough codependent traits to be always below people trying to please, so they fall all the shit / screening tests / never go up in hierarchy because they are afraid of putting themselves first / lead, first they need approval or validation from something external before they make a move And then Game then becomes a wisdom of tricks to extract validation Without changing the base game So, codependent on steroids, finally able to get some narcissists to fuck him up

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5:56 PM

What according to you is self love / self validation ? "my needs matter" "my needs / wants are valid" While seeking validations from others is "Are my needs valid? are my wants ok"? Codependents go like "My needs dont matter, lets focus on yours" Narcs are "Your needs dont matter, lets focus on mine" BPD are "You dont care about my needs" Sure When you're a baby you're nothing but needs You express them all, all the time The job of mother is to listen to all of your needs and comfort them Thats the nurturing If she does her job, then you get the emotional imprint that your needs matter and it's ok to express them So you need something, you express it If she doesnt do her job, you get the emotional imprint that your needs dont matter, and then you have two alternatives You blow shit up and do an escalation of tamtrums until you get what you want / need

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Or you suppress yourself Or you find some indirect way to manipulate the situation so you get your needs covered So the "mother archetype" is your emotional imprint about your needs, if they matter or not, and the games you play to have them covered A mix of expression, suppression, and manipulation The more broken that archetype, the more twisted your games are Then you start growing up and besides needs you have wants You want to do stuff Impulse / desire Then your dad tells you which wants are valid, which wants are not valid Valid: ride a bike Invalid: Put your dick on the electricity plug So the father's job is to channel your wants into the valid options, and then help you achieve them The 'father archetype' is also the emotional imprints about your wants You get many wants, then you judge, which ones are valid, which ones are not, and the valid ones "how to get them?" If you have a functional father archetype then you can scan the horizon, find things you want, some of these wants dissolve, some cristalize, and you see a path forward If you dont have a functioning father archetype, then you see the horizon and see chaos And when your wants come up they are either all invalid, or all trouble, or all impossible, or may even be scared of having wants at all

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To fuck up things more - Some times one of the parents is absent, and one of them does both jobs The mother can be doing both archetypes - nurturing needs and providing guidance Or she can be doing nothing and be a megalomaniac alcoholic but the father is a subservient beta So your two archetypes get fucked ==== To grow into the TG properly you need a well functioning mother / father archetype At the base emotional level, your needs matter, your value is "Im perfect and I deserve anything I want" and you effectively nurture yourself with anything you want The mother archetype just listens, comforts, and provides And you need a functional father archetype The father archetype looks at your full potential, and sets that as an achievable goal Its not "I wish I could ride a bicycle someday but Im too weak for it" But "I want to ride a bicycle and here's how Im going to do it" The sum of these two archetypes allow you to go TG easy Because then TG is just the natural expression of growing from a child to a man at his peak

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Screening is the act of looking at something / interacting while someone while looking for the things you like / don't like Imagine you have a bunch on money and want to buy a car, go to an expensive car dealership There are 20+ top model cars, many of which you may want to buy or not And a salesman Screening is how you interact with the cars and the dealer in that scenario You ask for the questions that are really important to you, you pass judgement on the cars, you try them out Make up your mind on the fly Leave the car dealership with or without a car - its irrelevant Buyer frame Screening is what you do when you meet new men that can possibly become friends You tease each other, figure each other out Do small roleplays Pass judgement on things, figuring where you align(edited) Or not

================================= You want to be a famous actor, you're not at the moment So you need to go from A to B In the middle there are obstacles, wins, and a lot of stuff These instances will produce emotions If you re-act on the emotion, if you're passenger of the emotions that will translate in bad choices, most of the time Because the emotions are not yet in tune with how you have to behave Because, you are going from A to B So thing will look scary, things will look too shiny To be changing means your emotions are not prepared for the new reality Stoicism there means, remain on the path from A to B regardless of the emotions The emotions may be saying "this is too scared, run!" = remain in course Emotions say "I made it, this is glory, I will be happy forever!!" = remain in course Emotions say "I can't make it, Im not enough, I will fail" = remain in course The BG doesnt have a course Its just stuck below things Passenger of things So stoicism there just means "dont act out your emotions, be happy that you're stuck"

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2:22 PM

What the BG wants is to be led Wants the outcome but doesnt want to be responsible for it Wants safety At the emotional core, the emotional imprint that favors BG is a gap in value The gap in value says "im not enough, I need something external to validate me" so emotionally the BG doesnt feel like they are capable of being in charge Need external authority To be put in motion and do things, BG cant do it on its own, BG needs an external authority to tell them what to do And an external authority to approve their views So the emotional imprint that favors BG, and BG as a frame are not the same thing But the "Im not enough" imprint favors BG If you're not enough = then you can't be on top It pulls you back Like a magnet So when you add a Tony Robbins and give motivation to the BG frame, what does that result into The BG is now motivated to finding a leader BG is motivated to have outcomes they are not responsible for, be it "law of attraction really really really just want it and it will just materialize on it's own" BG is motivated to do more things to pursue the external validation "when I get this or that job or that amount of money THEN I will have no gap!" BG is motivated to find new authorities to follow Etc BG is motivated to forcing themselves into doing something, with a lot of will power and discipline, really push themselves down into doing things What are you giving motivation to? the FRAME This is how self help is toxic Give a lot of energy to the wrong frame = make all the issues worse

Then motivation for TG What TG wants is to get whatever they want, and TG goes for it directly, on it's own, going first, with no requirement for external approval for feedback loop from the world before taking initiative Because what TG wants is the thing itself, then the path quickly just goes to the realm of competence, how to's, and practical matters The feedback loop of social validation and external value happens AFTER the TG has acted, its a direct response to his behavior, instead of his behavior being pre-conditioned by an external figure The feedback loop favor TG by validating him, giving TG more abundance than it already had. This also acts like a magnet, keeping the TG as an inertial state The TG is directly pursuing what they want, so they are at all times in charge, and responsible for their own outcomes The emotional imprint that favors TG is "I am enough for this thing I want, I can get it for the sole reason that I want it" To be put in motion, TG just need to want something So when you add a Tony Robbins and give motivation to the TG frame, what does that result into TG is now motivated to be better at leading TG is motivated to get more and better shit done, accomplished, experienced, and getting better skilled at getting things done to satisfy what they want TG is motivated to have social circles that support their wants and make the wants easier to achieve TG becomes even more free and powerful

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9:45 AM

Beta says "Empathy is a Major turn off for women" Misnomer, it's not empathy He's offering commitment and comfort Has no value Because he's beta You want sex and a girl who really likes you and is committed to you only, and is not like those bitches who played with your feelings right You really want that Or think again, here's the candidate

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9:46 AM

Marriage? She has the best snacks or so she says Give it a try for 5 years and let me know Let me know how much you really value commitment and her being for you only Yep super smart Best sandwiches No? You're so hearthless and cold you don't care about empathy See how betas are idiots The betas wanting commitment, connection and love etc right off the bat. With HOT girls though! Gotta impress the hot bitches with the kindness of their hearts Gonna melt down all their defenses and cure all the illnesses of that poor girl's body who's suffered enough alpha dick trauma Beta's holy semen will purify her A fat unattractive girl? where's your love compassion and commitment Funny how the math works Girls want the love and compassion and commitment - from Brad Pitt Its a plus, it's desired It's not where the value is On its own, has no value Toxic relationship with Pitt, worth it (edited)

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The thing with betas, is that the frame is "support" "team player" When you court a woman, you display your qualities. Or, you're driven biologically to show your best self So if you're beta, you go extra beta The problem is that beta is not attractive in any way ======================= Tigger asks "How to kill compassion?" Compassion isn't the problem You can be full of compassion and empathy The question is positioning Do you place below or above Tigger says "Above has no empathy" That's the beta fantasy (edited)

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Do you eat animals Do you feel compassion for them as you eat Can you feel compassion for a human being How about compassion for a kid Are you above or below the kid Is your non compassion for your food, relate in any way with your compassion + positioning for the boy Can you play a sport with the kid Can you tell the kid - come let's play soccer? So you can lead Can you tell the kid: no in soccer we dont use hands, use your feet Can you nag the kid when he uses his hands? Can you cheer the kid when he makes a goal? So you can lead, set the rules, reward and punish, from above, while loving

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TG is father Father can be loving - to his tribe Then he'll go kill a cow to feed the family Or go kill the enemy tribe No compassion there Full compassion for the in-tribe Compassion is about tribe Empathy is for the tribe Its glue Its not related to positioning Being above or below doesnt subtract or add empathy But when you're below, you offer submission (not empathy) You trade up support for safety Support, service, time, energy, work To be in the in-tribe Valid as a tribal mechanism Just doesnt move the vagina When you're beta and you see a woman, you offer her "Im going to form a tribe with you, and I will be a supportive team player, caring about all your needs and responding promptly, my princess" But the girl is looking to perform that role for a man Get it? The woman is the beta for the TG She being with a beta is frame clash to begin with Beta: Lead Girl: No you lead Beta: you're being difficult! why dont you just tell me what you want!! Beta: You're so hard to please! just tell me what to do woman! Beta trying to be the girl's role

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2:04 PM

So back to basics There's objective reality There's human hierarchy There's behavior There's a pyramid And there's value In the objective reality we're all human But we organize ourselves in a pyramid hierarchy The things above in that hierarchy have more value than the things below in that hierarchy All that is pre-rigged and was there before any of us came to exist So yes - things have predefined value The things you're mentioning, Tiger, "abs, money, girl" = translate to "top positioning" These are things that are above in the hierarchy, meaning, the people on top have those things The people at the bottom dont Then add behavior There are groups of behaviors set on each slot of the hierarchy We have alpha / beta / omega which is a simplification But I made it a dichotomy to talk about FRAME specifically My dichotomy is TG / BG To signal positioning only: above or below ==============

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The objective reality is out there, a bunch of human bodies, all very similar to each other Then we have the humans forming groups, tribes Each tribe has it's own pyramid And then tribes overlap each other, form bigger pyramids themselves And inside of each tribe you'll have the alphas, betas and omegas In some cases with the omegas of some tribes having more value, or being 'above' the alphas of lower tribes ========== And then we have the human itself The human was a child The human was raised by mom and dad And has a frame system, a personality, based on that mini tribe where the child was raised When you're a child you get two basic imprints You get self love from your mom And you get how-to's and ethics from your dad That's "mother archetype" = self love = shame And "father archetype" = mission path / goals = guilt ========== So you have all of the above mixed up in this place: You see the external value of the hierarchy, "money, abs, girls" as the source for self acceptance, self caring, self worth Meaning your mother archetype is broken = you've got no self worth And you see that the way to fill that is by doing the "how tos" and winning on the external objective pyramid, aka doing the climb and achieving things, "father archetype" Or, "When I climb to the top of the pyramid then I'll have value" Which is nonsense and doesnt work You have that famous, good looking actor, plenty of money, just committed suicide

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Giving interviews, sounds like crying all the time Why The success on the logical, objective ladder (which is also fiction) does NOTHING to your internal state Behavior Behavior is the set of games you enact when you interact with others and the world In every interaction, want it or not, conscious or not EVERYTHING you ever do at any time You do because you want something You either want self worth, or you want to get something because you need it You need material things, food, etc Or you want emotional fulfillment You either want material thing or you want emotional things The specific games you play to get those things = behavior Now FRAME The FRAME is an invisible rulebook that holds the behaviors together The FRAME, picture it like a glass container It holds everything together inside The FRAME is yet another thing that is pre-written, precedes any of us And anyone can have the FRAME Just like anyone can have the individual behaviors Meaning, any man can be beta Any man can be omega Any man can be alpha As behaviors And any man can be situational alpha, situational omega, situational beta = on a specific tribe But FRAME is where the alpha, beta, omega behaviors come from

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========== A man with "alpha frame" has his mind 'resonating' on that space where the alpha behaviors come from So when the guy wants something, he operates from the alpha frame, and all his behaviors come across as alpha And since this is coming from within the man - this happens BEFORE his behavior has any contact with the outside world AFTER his behavior interacts with the world, then the world offers a response, validating or invalidating the behavior ========= The exception of this is when you're a child When you're a child, mom and dad are your tribe, and they make sure that you know what's your place in the hierarchy So they basically force feed you into a frame They assign your frame They validate or invalidate your behaviors Until you're fixed there Then they let you go so you go play these games on your own as an adult So whatever you got back then, early on You repeat And that's the reality you live in INDEPENDENT ON WHICH EXTERNAL TRIBE YOURE IN So your basic frame and basic set of behaviors, have nothing to do with where you go put these in after Or, you'll find plenty of omegas and betas at the top of the pyramid And plenty of more dominant, more alpha types at the bottom of the pyramid =============

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The other thing you're mixing up is that the world decides your value The world doesnt decide anything - the value points are already fixed, and the world has no say on them All we do is move ourselves to where the value points are, or we move away from them ============== My whole contribution here, is pointing that FRAME has value When you operate from the "above" frame, that leads to predictable results, because that's a game everyone came prepared to recognize and respond to And when you operate from the "below" frame, that also leads to predictable results, because that's also a game everyone recognizes Bottom and Top frames, encapsulate a bunch of behaviors each that are very predictable Predictable in how they approach what they want And predictable in what type results they get And the above has nothing to do with BELIEF Example You dont "BELIEVE" that you're alpha and then the world sees you as alpha What you can do is ACT alpha And if you ACT (not the fake meaning, but the act as a verb), if your BEHAVIOR is alpha, then you're alpha It doesnt mean that you automatically go to the top of the external objective ladder / pyramid But what it means is you're operating with alpha behavior, therefore you're being alpha And it has predictable results Just like BETA has predictable results, same for omega So if you enact in the world as an alpha, then the world will give a feedback loop that is compatible with alpha The world on its own can't "make you alpha" The world is not longer your mom or dad The world only had the power to set your frame from the exterior when you were a kid That time is gone

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At best, what you do is roleplay, as an adult, the game where the external world has the power to change you Meaning, you as an adult roleplaying that something out there is your mom or dad So you try to impress the world so it gives you love for example Like the world was your mom But it aint Or you try to do the right thing and climb the ladder so the world recognizes that you're a very competent man etc, like the world was your dad But it isnt So what you'll find if you go all the mile and try to impress the world and get that internal source of value = you'll find there's nothing It aint there Or you roleplay that the world pushes you down and assigns you an identity. But that's your roleplay. The world isnt doing it. You are. =============== So back to basics =============== You always want stuff Every interaction and every movement and choice you do in your life, is due to you wanting stuff Every verbal or any other type interaction you have with humans, its because you want stuff Every problem, every situation, everything you engage with, is because you want stuff ==== The moment that interaction happens, you're pre-wired to form a hierarchy in relation to what you want Meaning, you see the wanted thing as being above or below yourself If the thing is above yourself, then you go below If the thing is below yourself, then you go above For example of something above yourself - imagine you go ask for a raise to a boss who doesnt like you much and you really really need the money Or imagine going to chat up a girl who's a perfect 10 for you and you don't feel that attractive Imagine that "shrinking feeling" Feels like "becoming very small" BG (edited)

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For an example of something below yourself - imagine that you go to your favourite restaurant with plenty of money on your pocket and are going to order whatever you want Or you go with plenty of money on your pocket to a trader show and gonna pick a car to buy Or imagine you're a celebrity and there are a bunch of girls screaming your name and you're hanging out and flirting and wondering which girl to pick Or imagine you're the boss of whatever empire you've built and this morning have to take some decisions and put a meeting togheter and everyone is there listening to every word It feels "expansive" Imagine that "in control, confident" feel Wanting from above / vs wanting from below One goes to TG, one goes to BG Has this anything to do with the objective, big pyramid out there? somewhat ============= When you enact behavior, the world gives you feedback Meaning your behavior fits, or it doesnt When you're a kid you're captive of our parents, so all of your behavior needs to feed the feedback As an adult, you have freedom to move What this means is, for better or worse, you're free to move to wherever your behavior resonates This means that an omega can climb on the hierarchy and keep finding ways to remain omega That celebrity actor = good looking, rich etc, but internally, his frame is broken So he keeps on moving around and finding the next obstacle, the next thing to crash on, the next adventure where he's not validated Why/ Because his moving into the world from his existing frame All he had to do is remain still, and let the feedback of the world come, and he'd be better off But he kept moving, finding more angles to enact BG Likewise -

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If you're below in hierarchy and start acting TG, then the hierarchy will say "nope" But then you're free to move You're free to look around and find the ladder that will make your external positioning in alignment with your internal positioning You're not a slave You're a free man On the several iterations I did to change my personality, I had to burn bridges and create new social circles often I had a bunch of friends where I was the leader of the omegas. Then I wanted to switch up and not be omega anymore I started enacting the behavior - it wasnt well received In your case "they didn't let me" But they dont have the power to not let me So I went away and did it anyway When I started switching to player (from PUA) my first choice was to never be a beta begger anymore, act like I was brad pitt, and only engage with girls who saw me as an attractive man Which because I wasnt delusional, I thought wasnt going to work But I was tired of being beta So was going to act like I had value And take nothing else - even if that mean living in celibacy forever But surprise Acting like I was brad pitt actually made the girls attracted Why ============ FRAME HAS VALUE ============

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FRAME is another fixed point on the hierarchy value And FRAME has the most value of all the other things Why Because FRAME determines behavior And BEHAVIOR is how you interact with others And everyone has pre-rigged, pre-determined emotional responses and games to play on each interaction And every BG is looking for a good TG to save them Or a good TG to help them Or a good TG to lead them And every woman (hypergamy) is looking for a real, ALPHA And all this shit happens in BEHAVIOR before we even include the real, objective ladder out there =================== Whatever the position you're in the objective pyramid, and wherever else you want to go - Let's say you're at place B and where you want to go is upper to position A That means you need to climb / interact your way up from B to A You need to solve problems, get stuff done, acquire things, get things in, push things out You need people to play along, or get out of the way Need people to not sabotage you Etc If you go at it with BOTTOM FRAME you're fucked Because from BG you'll go from wall to wall like it's a ladder While asking for validation of others - which they will not give Asking others to lead - which they wont, or if they do it will be for their own interests and not yours And wanting to bang girls - trying to impress them with material things from the pyramid, but the problem is that such things "arent you", so you're trying to do a bait and switch, offering "third things" and then steal some of that value provided by the girl to fill in "the real you"

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But that doesnt work - meaning the feeling is fleeting So climbing as a BG is hell And if you succeed, then there's nothing at the top

On the other hand- If you go from B to A in "TOP FRAME" You go from opportunity to opportunity And everyone along the way wants to submit, help, and cheer you up While girls try to steal your semen but putting their pussy on your face Think back - remember the popular guys at highschool "everything just goes well for them" Very low effort

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"signs of broken father archetype" Guys with anger issues / problems with motivation / self sabotage Lack of "north" We had a couple of these here Inability to take risks The thing is that even with a broken father archetype - that's male archetype and you're a male So even if it's broken you have available tools to figure it out You have the drive to do domination and climb the hierarchy and if you close your eyes, you'll formulate a fantasy that you're at the top So even with a broken father archetype you have the drive May be trapped and fucking you up but the energy is there The problem with the mother archetype is that is alien Its an unconditional, non-competence related, infinite source of energy that is all accepting and passive You can't generate that And if you try then you lose what's motivating you Mother archetype doesnt care about your position on the ladder, how well you do, if you're fat or muscular So if you don't know it, it looks like the opposite of what you should do Because to move from A to B you need movement and action And disagreement with the order of things And battle All of which is male But then -

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You still lack the infinite all acceptance unconditional self love and all you know is the male ladder - you get this illusion that if you perform really well and do shit that shows all you're capable of, then you can send that signal to the world and get that love from it I'll achieve X and be this big etc etc then I'll feel fine Which doesnt happen Its totally unrelated This also manifests in relationships with women and is why you / me / men do transactional relationships Offering stuff in exchange of sex / acceptance / validation I got a car therefore I have value therefore give me pussy I got muscles therefore I have value therefore give me pussy I save you ( @SpaceY ) therefore I prove to you Im a good man therefore give me acceptance and validation I give you resources / comfort / security (beta) therefore I prove to you that Im a good man therefore you give me love and sex I reach this ladder of competence and show it to the world and I get acceptance back But the acceptance aint there If you climb up / if you do the transaction / you don't get it Why

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Because what you want is unconditional And the way you're going for it defeats it You can't do a transaction to get unconditional stuff In the middle of that - then you have personality types that exploit it, like scammers Girls / people / narcs who will make you really hard with the promise that they'll give you acceptance / sex / love / whatever But it's always taken away the minute you thought you were going to get it And all of your energy / effort / transaction goes to them and you end up financially / emotionally bankrupt Why - because you're an idiot Doing transactions to get something unconditional What is the father ladder for - the competence ladder, the dominance ladder, the material ladder - Its there so you get material assets Power

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But not self love, not acceptance, not unconditional stuff Not self esteem That's the realm of the mother archetype The version of you who deserved love before you were even a man The version of you that had all their needs met and cared for before you were able to do any kind of transaction to get stuff Before you were able to or required to prove anything to anyone Self love is there And nowhere else Makes sense? (edited)

========================= You're in an interaction with someone, that someone crossed a boundary BG is below that person so has several indirect options 1) express pain asking that the other person uses empathy and cares, takes the lead and fixes it (woman / child like) 2) do not express pain but hold on to the pain and leak it with indirect remarks over a period of time (passive aggressive) 3) suppress the expression of pain but hold the anger inside and plot revenge (omega style) 4) play a double face where you're nice to the aggressor but try to turn the tribe against the person (woman style) 5) reframe flip the pain into a positive (masochist / pushover style) 6) try negotiate with the aggressor, either making them understand or attempt trade offs (beta style) 7) try suffocate the pain and becoming desinsitized, numb about it (omega style) 8) turn the pain into self hate and become numb (borderline suicidal type) 9) take sides with the aggressor (dissociated victim style) The TG options are simpler and actually get shit done 1) Say no 2) Set the boundary stronger 3) Punish / push away 4) If there's a win scenario lead there, either win / win or win / lose (edited)

============ TG - above position in the hierarchy BG - below position in the hierarchy What's the hierarchy? some roleplay you do when you formulate this construct between you and whatever you want So right now, right there, are you above or below FRAME It's ethereal until you have a grasp of what it is / where it is / how it manifests Like every other thing in life it's a 'way of being' Its a shape adopted for being Keep an eye on how you position yourself vs other people, wants, goals, etc Are you choosing to position yourself above, or below All the other stuff is to help identify your positioning if things are not clear Resentment for example - you're below and hating whoever pushed down Its a choice "Free" is a tricky word You're free to choose whichever frame However, the frame is the thing that contains your identity and emotional state (edited)

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And your identity and emotional frame fall with gravity / magnetism into a frame Which is why the word 'free' there is tricky With the emotional state where you have no self worth / can't do self nurturing for example, it's very hard to operate in TG It keeps slipping away It can be done, it just takes a lot of energy Example, you're in X interaction, someone pulls a degrading move and pushes you down Now you're at the bottom and resentful From there there's nothing TG you can do Taking the hurt - BG Fighting back - BG Revenge - BG Pay back - BG Tolerate - BG Why, because you're already below If your emotional state naturally gravitates towards resentment, then that emotional charge makes you stick to the closest frame which is BG So going to TG causes a conflict

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Identity and emotional state should be in alignment with TG so the magnetism / gravity does it's thing So you default to the closest frame but it's TG not BG If you're TG in relation to someone, you're BG But it's because of the order of things CAUSE > REACTION This is important and keeps popping up so I have to add it in bold in the rulebook CAUSE -> REACTION FRAME -> FEEDBACK LOOP If you put the frame at the right- if your frame is the result Then your frame comes from the feedback loop So you're a passenger of whatever happens Passenger, reactive, BG The feedback loop is above, you're below it Even if that feedback loop is saying you're god itself, you're BG And it will show the moment the feedback loop turns sour

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Then you receive ego injury and are back to the deepest bottom The way this is done properly is that FRAME goes to the left, at the CAUSE slot FRAME -> BEHAVIOR -> FEEDBACK LOOP The behavior <-> feedback loop can have twists and turns of interaction, but they dont go back to affect the cause of it all Frame remains untouched, as the source for your behavior, regardless of the feedback loop This is what PUA calls 'unreactiveness' 'self amused mastery' 'outcome independence' 'mental point of origin' But they never come to say it out loud FRAME -> BEHAVIOR -> FEEDBACK LOOP CAUSE -> EFFECT The effect can be whatever the effect wants to be and it can go fuck itself What you hold firm is your CAUSE FRAME Others can choose to play whatever games they want - that's on them

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They can come back and say you're the god emperor or that you're nothing but trash - that's on them They dont have the power to come back the courtains and change ME But ME, I can decide to take paths, choose things, go in different directions - pursuing my wants I will take that feedback loop and decide what I want to do next From - my CAUSE / FRAME Then I do BEHAVIOR intended to interact with that feedback loop In this simplified dychotomy, I will either REWARD if I like what's coming back, or PUNISH if I want that it goes away / it's not what I want or not conductive So because my frame / core identity / state is not defined by the feedback loop, Im free from it Which means, I dont need to control it Example

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I want a joyful interaction, Im walking around at some place, Im screening for whom I can have a joyful interaction with I talk to some people and say something funny They don't engage I walk away I find some other people, I say something funny, they laugh and are open I reward and keep having a joyful interaction There's zero resentment whatsoever against the first people who didn't engage But also have zero attachment to the current people who are engaging I want nothing from them I want 'joyful interaction' it comes with me When my wants change or the energy starts dissipating, I screen for what else I want to do / how I want to feel / how I want to be But let's say Im in the same situation as BG As BG, I want joyful interaction (same want) but I need a leader to make it happen and Im not one

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So I approach groups from below "can I be here, am I allowed here" And negative feedback loop its stored as resentment So now I hate the people who didn't want me Because my self identity was slaved to their approval Im below, they are above, I want something but I need them to make it happen Then I sit and look at the room and I hate that what I want is not manifesting itself there I see no party I want to join in So I feel isolated Then I see some other group / girls / something that have the thing I want, so I go there now if I have the courage And I approach them as a value stealer, trying to be liked, trying to be approved And my focus is on being well received while I ask internally for their permission to be So if they react positively now I feel a huge weight lifted of my shoulders and Im happy that I found someone who accepts me But then they shit test me or something and Im nervous that they are going to take away the validation So I measure my words and my behaviors trying to cater to them Im a seller, they are the buyers, I want stuff from them, I dont feel like Im worthy or that they would just open and be my tribe on their own So I need to control, manipulate, play with perception, lie Etc So, above, vs below

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On the surface - you could be looking at those 2 guys and externally they seem to be doing the same thing Guy was sitting, chatted with some people, then went to chat with another group and is now having a good time So if you only look at the behavior part you miss the real picture If you fine tune, the frame itself is painting all the behaviors, and things move in a different direction over time Eg. TG again After Im interacting with the second group, I go walk around and pass by the first group, but now they open And as I keep doing my thing, slowly but surely the whole room is opening more and more and making me the highest positioned human being on that context / tribe BG again - now that I found that second group, I clinge to them even after the initial spark is gone and now I milk them for validation, while I plot internally against the first group When the night ends - Im trying to keep contacts and numbers with the group / girls who liked me to further extract their validation, and I hold some un-named resentment against the rest of the context / tribe and it feels like waste / danger zone to go and engage with more people now Or, the little thing I gained, reinforced my BG frame against the whole group From TG, the little thing I gained made me more the TG for the whole group ======= If I go for a high five, I get a high five back (edited)

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100% A high five is a reward Sound like you're doing a high five to "get in" I high five as reward With a high five or a fist bump what I am communicating people is that I approve them And people 100% take that offer and are happy about it Sounds like you're giving a high five to "receive a high five" so it's about getting approval, you're asking the other to be a TG who validates you

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Example Last night we were on a table and there were a few people who spoke english, so randomly I'd be in some conversations There was a small rocker dude with a taller skinny woman. The small rocker dude was dominant but likely omega, the skinny woman had that "anal sex / bad vagina" vibe. We were talking, I'd talk to the skinny girl, chat to the rocker guy, kind of interesting conversation. I highfaved the skinny girl at some point for something she said, she jumped on it like a puppy wanting approval, the rocker guy contracted a little when that happened. So later on something happened with the rocker guy and he said something smart and I joked something (don't remember) and did a fist bump. From there on he was fine and stable, before that moment he saw me as a threat I didnt high five the skinny woman to be validated by her, and didn't fist bump the rocker guy to make him like me. To BOTH what I did was to offer them safety / acceptance / validation in MY SPACE so they feel at ease and safe to be themselves. I am not asking validation from them, I am giving them validation -> Because that is conductive to me having the type of vibe I want there, smart, honest chat, interesting rapport, teases, jokes, etc, as friends Now I'd likely never see them again and I couldn't care less, but if I saw them again, we'll resume as friends from the same tribe, where Im the boss

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Now if you slice the behavior and see "teases, jokes, highfives" etc but keep BG frame - where do you insert the behaviors? When you go dance with the indian guy and the russian dance group, are you doing that to get validation? When you high five the skinny girl is it to be liked by her? when the boyfriend rocker 'contracts' and is unease, is that good or bad? do you attack the guy to get the girl? do you reward the guy, what now When the indian guy calls you to dance with them, is that an opening or a wall? there were no hot girls there Etc Keep BG frame, try to do the "behaviors" nothing makes sense

=========== James Monarc says

Frame comes first, above all else. At all times you have to check where you're coming from above/below. You'll know which is which by the way you're feeling. For example you're in a room full more accomplished people than you. Once in that room you'l either be "let's make some friends and find interesting people to talk to" or "I shouldn't be here, they'll reject me" The former is more exploration and the later validation seeking Above/Below You'll know which is which by your thought patterns and how to feel in that moment.

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The other helpful analogies are driver / passenger judge / judged leader / follower buyer / seller validation giving / validation seeking (edited)

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The thing is - you can still be judge and below, leader and below, buyer and below So positioning comes first, the rest are auxiliaries Example you can be the buyer but the sellers is bullying and persistent so you "buy even though you don't want it" You can be the judge but below so you nag the alpha You can be the driver but below so you're asking for instructions to your copilots / passengers Also, you can be seller but above (my product is too good for you, buy this shit already), passenger and above (limo driver is going wherever you want), judged but above (some narcissistic types playing victim) etc You can be validation seeking but above (give me applause so I feel good for my achievements, you worthless peons), you can be validation giving but below (you're so good I'll never measure to you) For the things to align, be: Above, driver, judge, leader, buyer, validation giving

================================ Its not about being useful Beta = to be valuable, be useful TG = Im king Here, this is still beta / bg framing ====== TG = to be valuable, exist ========= Here: To be valuable, DO X Embedded in that proposition, your value is transactional Its already depending on something "to be valuable" is a bg proposition / framing Words What's the value of god? What does god need to be valuable How do you measure

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Can't God is the apex of the hierarchy God determines what value is All things get their value from god Closer to god, farther from god God is the value itself and other things rank because of their proximity to it Or their distance from it The top of the pyramid is the source that determines the value of everything else Everything else is good or bad, valuable or invaluable, depending on how they are ranked from the top down But the top of the pyramid itself is not ranked Its just "top" So with more wording and our mellow language, we can formulate things like "the importance of god / the value of god is that it help us have an oracle to be better (more god like) and have a proper life (on god's terms) and reach the divine (the realm of god) and be happy with ourselves because we're good people (according to god) and not bad people (people who god doesn't like)" Describing the value of the apex in the hierarchy, again and again keeps using the apex of the hierarchy as the reference point "value" is the word we use to measure against the apex Close to the apex, high value Far from the apex, low value What about the apex itself? it would be "value itself" "infinite value" Can't measure it, it just is

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========= BG: I measure myself against the apex of the pyramid and my value is in my service to it TG: Im the apex =========== Then beta / alpha is more about leadership and initiative Leader of the pack vs team player The leader of the pack / alpha can still be BG What do women find arousing: TG / men placed closer to the apex of the hierarchy, the higher, the more arousing. The more the man acts like a god, the more arousing What do women do not find arousing: team players, service men, yes me, bgs, support casting, usefulness "5 secs of alpha worth more than 5 years of beta" Usefulness has no sexual value Zero

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It has other type of values and women do take it, often trade sex for it But it isnt arousing Its prostitution by another name Beta enters the room, the woman asks herself "how useful can he be for me, and what's the least I can do to get maximum profit? gosh I hope I dont have to have sex with him" TG enters the room, the woman asks herself "omg omg omg how do I bang him how do I keep him Im in loooooovveeee girls look at thissss!!!" You see this all the time when the man creates an impression that he's an alpha / TG type and the girl is all interested, then the man starts submitting to her, placing himself below, being useful to her, eg "loving and caring" (it is NOT love or care, it's just transaction) then the girl turns nasty So, no, to have women love you, it's not about being useful Zero, nada Wrong framing Women don't crave alpha / tg dick because it's useful They crave it because it's alpha / tg dick Then it has other effects - it validates her, it gives her children, it raises her status, it allows her to brag, it gives her dread (fear of losing him), it gives her intrasexual competition, it gives her self worth, etc, but all these are consequences of her own biology interacting with the object of her desire - these are not things that the alpha / tg is doing for her as a service. They are their own girl's doing Its not "my value to women is that I validate her, give her children, raise her status, give her dread" That's beta trying to pull the effects of alpha / tg but still remaining in beta / bg Try to do "dread" as a beta, end up doing some passive aggressive shit Etc

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"I place women above me, I realize women like alpha and not me, so I emulate what women like so they are happy and I see myself as a successful pleaser of women when I put on this alpha mask" That's a hell of a nasty ride

========================== Here's the situation summed up Group with a bunch of girls, 2 are doing drama, 2 other girls are engaging but keep being distracted What I want: to have fun with the engaging girls What I do not want: that the 2 bitches doing drama keep breaking the fun Win scenarios A) The two bitches just shut up B) The two bitches leave C) The two bitches not only shut up but engage and join the fun D) We leave the group with the engaging girls to have fun on our own There may be more, but that's the gist As you see, the win scenarios come from what I want / what I don't want When I asked you, your response was "I don't wanna be their problem solver" and "I want that we all have fun" Do you see the bridge that needs to be crossed In order for me to LEAD somewhere, I need to know where am going Im going towards that the two bitches shut up, or leave, or I leave with the girls That's settled Its not a wish So me going for the wall can enable 3 of the 4 win scenarios Me: Bitches just shut up, we're trying to have fun Girls: oh what an asshole who are you blah blah we're having problems Me: So who fucked the other girls boyfriend? Me: It was you, I know Me: You have the look What's more interesting for a woman, their own recycled drama or this This is why they came to a bar: Me. Their fucking drama can wait

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So how did you learn frame?

After about 3 months doing PUA I realized I couldn't be a pua I had to be the real thing Told you So I had to find a way to do all that stuff for real Instead of applying it as a layer on top of my persona So I had to change Change into what? Into whatever was necessary so I would be saying all these lines, negs, etc, honestly So I changed PUA for Player Changed my life so I could be a player, and started being / acting like a player all day Alpha, TG, BG, omega are frames

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Inside of you, they are frames They are pre-formed, pre allocated shapes They come in your biology You already know them You know how to react to them, you know what they mean What you may not know is how to operate in them You know what a bully is (another frame), you may not be able to be a bully Because being a bully creates dissonance with your emotional body So acting as bully "feels off" Same acting as an alpha "feels off" Acting omega may feel off too What doesnt feel off? whatever frame you're operating into, that feels normal Your emotions are allocated there And the frame surrounds them, it's the vessel for you You're water and the frame is the bottle Your initial frame is set by your parents They tell you what's the acceptable frame and they have all the power, you're their passenger

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Then you leave the house and from that point on it's only you doing all the stuff Human groups organize in hierarchies - in preallocated frames If more than one people occupy the same frame there's conflict usually That's valid for every step Who's the omega? Who are the betas? Who's the alpha? who leads? All that is sorted quickly People come with the frames inside them Then we roleplay them with others And form tribes You have more than one frame - you have all of them The question is which ones you enact and when Say, you had a bunch of friends from childhood and you were the leader Then you moved school or entered another tribe and they didn't want you, start treating you like an outcast and you accepted it So with one tribe you're the alpha, with another tribe you're the omega With clients you're beta, with hot girls you're omega, with family you're whatever, etc All externally determined People offer you a role - you take it That's most people

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== Look here Same as when you're going to approach a hot girl - same as when you're going to the bar BEFORE you even do the first step - In your mind In your emotions You already draw a picture of the situation and you put yourself in a role In your case - you're placing yourself as if you're going to be qualified by this environment and likely rejected So what comes from you as behaviors is a series of defense mechanisms to avoid rejection If you do PUA, then all that effort is to soften or null the rejection But IN YOUR MIND you're already rejected And everything you do, even if positive, is about climbing that hill of rejection and gaining approval Approval of whom? of your superior Who's your superior? who knows! you'll find someone there and have them roleplay that role You'll find someone, the hot girl, the bouncers, new groups of people somebody You'll turn someone into your superior and you'll roleplay that you want their approval All that is YOU And all happens before you do anything

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Ok, so the source of all of this, is where you think you're getting approval or validation from?

Thats one of the sources but no You could be completely self validated with an infinite mother archetype and still be BG Would be a very nice BG but still BG Very super wise BG Think of the perfect docile but wise and healthy woman who wont take shit and deserves the world but still is looking for a strong man to lead her The source of validation isn't the same as the hierarchy BUT Things get complicated when moving frames, because if you're not self validated, then you're both craving external validation, AT THE SAME TIME that you're placing yourself below others Which for a MAN is the losing proposition Specifically to TG / BG frame, the only question is where you place yourself on your internal frame, are you above or below That's it ===

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== There are two sources - mom and dad Shame and guilt Self worth and competence If you have a broken archetype then you overcompensate with the other If you have both broken then you're fucked Mother archetype - unconditional self acceptance regardless of other factors, or "self esteem" Father archetype - mission, grander stuff, competence, glory, adventure, war, the conquest, "how to", winning Being and doing The normal case for men is that we dont have a good mother archetype / no self esteem, so we try to fill that void with competence Eg - filling that emotional gap with things that have external value Eg. banging girls, making money, achieving success, fame, etc Doing the father ladder to gain the mother / like infinite self acceptance But like I said before it doesnt work - you do all that in the father ladder and win, and end up empty Its not there The father ladder is not to gain self acceptance or self esteem or unconditional love The father ladder is to gain power If you dont have unconditional self love NOW, it wont be there after you win either Also nobody can give it to you, specially NOT WOMEN

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== So - that's as far as validation goes. You get unconditional self loving archetype for your mom. If you got it right then you have self esteem. Then you get fighter / how to / doer / competence / rules archetype from your dad. If you got it right you feel capable of taking on big things. Then if you got something broken you overcompensate with the other. Since we're men we have the father archetype / masculinity ingrained and can find our way even with a bad father. If we have a bad mother archetype though, we can't generate it on our own so we project that onto women and formulate this idea of the "good woman" who'll love us for who we are - but then we go trying to apply FATHER ladder on her, with competence, proving worth, etc, in other words DOING THINGS when what we want is unconditional. That's the breaking point of the blue pill and why Rollo etc have a hard time here You cant DO to get UNCONDITIONAL things And the type of love we want from women is the unconditional type And all the GAME stuff is a doing So there's an offset At the end of the day, you can't DO stuff to get what you need And when you do get stuff, but you had to pay a price to get it, it doesnt taste good

Rollo says we cant get the unconditional love

Women love TGs unconditionally And their own children unconditionally (if they are not broken) But a woman cant ever love YOU She loves TG Women love TG unconditionally, with the condition that he's TG (edited)

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== On the other hand, you're not a frame, you're not beta even if you try really hard to express yourself there. You have all the frames Its your choice how you manifest It's your choosing - the only time when you didn't have a choice is when you were a kid Your mom / dad / you was the original tribe Thats your original frame After that, it's all you They had too much power Mom is angry - feels like you're isolated in nothingness with everything against you Dad is angry - feels like the ire of a God Too much power All the kid wants is to be loved Will do anything Understand that you're operating under a frame And that you want to move into another frame Which mean you'll feel alien for a while

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And also understand that all your intuition and wants / desires are being framed by something Nothing of that is you Its just a game Before the frame all of our wants are super basic We want love, want resources, want to feel good Want to have relationships, be valued Want to feel at ease Want to belong to something Want to feel safe Want to experience things All that is basic Then FRAME determines how these things come to be == Anger at yourself = father archetype punishing you From within you That's not the job of father archetype The role of father archetype is to tell you HOW TO WIN So fix that too You fail: father tells you, right kiddo, do this next time Father: No big deal, here's the plan Father: You'll do fine, you've got this Father just angry at you teaches you nothing

=========== Here's an advice on how to move frames After you can identify the BG

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Pause and do the 'what do I want' and picture yourself getting it When you do that, in the NOW you'll experience some resistance Stay there on the resistance, do 4, without letting the visualization go Until you feel like you're growing into the visualization of you getting what you want Then, actually do the thing And get what you want whatever it is In your case, famous actor In my case, rich billionaire tony star Getting a job, banging a girl, etc All that before doing anything 1) Identify the BG so you know when it pops 2) Figure out what you want exactly, what's that thing 3) Imagine yourself getting it 4) Is there internal resistance to that thing? 5) Dig into the emotional state of that resistance, sometimes it goes deep 6) Keep holding the visualization of you getting what you want, while doing "4" (I love myself unconditionally, I deserve everything and anything I want), this can feel like you're loving and protecting a child, which is you 7) eventually the desire of getting what you want grows, and you feel emboldened by it 8) now take action and win

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What happens there is you process the emotional baggage from BG that is not compatible with you getting what you want And when you feel 'growing into your desire' that's you switching to TG What should happen after some iterations is that wanting something makes you grow into TG, instead of making you shrink into BG Example - I see a hot girl and I feel growing stronger I see an opportunity for victory and my energy recharges and can keep going forever I see an opening and I want it badly and outperform Why do people shrink - because the path is blocked by BG and the emotional state is saying "we' "We're BG, we can't do this, we dont deserve, someone is gonna come hit me, must conform. Ok Im lost, someone save me!" So this happens in the NOW and it doesnt require that you first go explore all your past and figure out where the baggage comes from - even when that may help, it's not mandatory What's mandatory 1) identify frames 2) identify what you want 3) picture yourself getting it 4) remove / heal baggage creating dissonance 5) grow 6) go for it

========== So coming to the very very basics of it It's the two sources If you have this then you gravitate towards TG 1) My value is 10 and it's unconditional 2) Im competent and can handle anything thrown at me That's mom / dad right there Why you gravitate towards TG with these 2 - because you're a man and have the natural drive to want to climb in dominance on any given hierarchy So if your value is 10 and unconditional, you don't first try to extract value from others, they've got nothing for you, you're unreactive to judgement And if you're competent and can handle anything, then you're first on line, express your opinions first, eat the cake, are an initiator So that'll gravitate towards alpha / leader / tg The feedback loop with others takes care of the rest Think of highly self esteem people who are competent Are they pushover followers or are they cruising on life (edited)

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Anger is bg, no?

Anger is neither Anger is anger You can be angry from above, or angry from below You have boundaries, when someone crosses them, anger is the natural state Anger is there to tell you that your boundary is crossed The rest is frame Are you being oppressed from above and react from below Or is someone from below trying to attack you and you're putting them on their place If you check my asshole-type response to the girls making drama when Im there to have fun, that comes from anger Its not huge anger, but the source is anger Its anger, not 'flirt' It's anger, not "I have emotions and you should be more thoughtful please care about my well being" What are they doing wrong - they are 'fucking up my night' So they better behave or gtfo A BG will process that anger in a different way - million ways

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But the framing is that he's powerless So the anger gets redirected at himself, or "women" or "clubs" or something, and turns passive, or comes out indirectly with some passive aggressive game, or blows up in some tantrum Demanding attention But what's the anger really for? the anger is telling you something is not right and needs to be fixed So if something is not right and needs to be fixed - how would you like it to be? lead there Me: Hey girls, shut up or go away, we're trying to have fun here alternative Me: HEY! (dominant break rapport tone) Girls: (look at me) Me: (gesture of me cutting my neck) cut the drama, come to have fun Girls: (awe) Me: NOW Simple and direct + effective Plus People are wired to recognize it, follow, and comply It's pre-scripted

=============================================== Step 4: My value is 10 and I love myself unconditionally Step 8: Im competent and can handle anything thrown at me, my potential is immensurable and untapped Do these as emotional statements, not just words. What you're doing here is passing a positive emotional judgement on yourself. Same for the competence line, it's an emotional statement Emotional = irrational = they don't need to be justified, just are When you're a kid these statements come from the authority of mom / dad You just take them, you're the recipient You're made feel worthy / unworthy and competent or incompetent The work with 4 / 8 is about learning to be the passive recipient of the proper authorities - what would have happened if your parents had done an excellent job Your value is 10 and always loved, and your potential to do amazing stuff is immensurable and always untapped Say the words, do the emotional statements, you'll likely feel blocks and pain. Feel the pain while you keep doing the emotional statements - but it's not a fight or frame clash. Let the emotional statements sink in and embrace the pain This is similar to healing a hurting baby That pain / baggage is not your enemy, those are your wounds

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Bring that child in and give it what it didnt receive All that's repressed / unfelt / blocked/ pushed away pain The problem with pushing pain away is that you're treating yourself in the same way you were treated when that pain was created Baby cries - gets abandoned - pain intensifies So now as an adult, you push that pain away, you keep abandoning yourself and now you roleplay the neglecting parent I dont know why the human emotional body works this way, but if you're in pain and you push it away / block it / cover it with other stuff / evade it - it persists there forever The only way to deal with it is to feel it All the unfelt pain is the baggage And it keeps you trapped in whatever games were going on when the pain happened Like a constant unpaid debt creating tension and making you do stuff to fix it "autopilot" What the therapy guys do wrong - they go carve in the past and replay these experiences of trauma and relive the feelings etc then they send the patient home So that's years of re experiencing the trauma and feeling it again and again and feeling more of it Without any frame change whatsoever Likely making the frame worse

So my point here - what should happen, is that you start moving into what should be

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And deal with stuff as it blocks you from the present change And as you change you grow into better forms of iterating with the world, so - you don't reproduce the hurt, you stop clicking that game Example - "my mom didn't give me love, now Im looking for a special unicorn snowflake girl to give me validation and Im a PUA" The guy chasing women for validation then goes to a therapist and the therapist uncovers that he had a bad childhood and is looking for validation etc, and starts exploring that feeling The patient pua goes through it and gains clarity etc and it gets better - but at the same time has been chasing validation from women all the time while in therapy So each new iteration of the same game is nullifying whatever progress that therapy is doing Or in the case of a non PUA patient - you can be in a passive life not doing anything and just going through the pain of the memories, for years, re experiencing everything and processing, while no change is being made whatsoever And the constant re experiencing of pain is just giving you more pain NOW Making your BG frame more firm So Start by attempting frame change, and deal with the pain that pops as it creates dissonance Deal with it, feel it, embrace it, and MOVE Grow

=================== Do the 10 steps Start on How do I feel / what am I doing / am I above or below If below, pause. Realign. Put yourself above. Then - 1) What do I want 2) Lead there 3) Reward (compliance) - pass positive judgement 4) Self mothering: My value is 10 and I love myself unconditionally 5) What I do not want 6) Say no 7) Punish (push away) - pass negative judgement, face conflict 8) Self fathering - pursue your biggest mission "I am competent and can handle anything thrown at me) 9) Win / Win - check what other peoples want, see if you can find situations where you both get what you want and can be in a tribe where everyone is covered 10) Win / Lose - check what other peoples want, if their wants are in direct opposition to yours and on your way, destroy them (play to win, have them lose) Note for 9-10: this is a sport, not an emotional thing Half the time you can win with others - but there's usually people on the opposite team. Example 1- wanna be the top 1 artist, that's taking the cake from a lot of people (other artists), but you can often make the cake bigger and help them out since your goals align. Example 2, you're playing chess, play to win, but often you can help the other chess player get better since your goals align. Example 3: if you're getting physically assaulted, beat the shit out of the assaulter, goals go in opposite direction. Example 4 - someone is negging you hard and trying to bring you down, bring them down, have them lose, goals go in opposite direction

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=================== Women are pies of shit - they are only less pies of shit when they have to act good to please a TG With your way of going for them you'll get nothing but the shitiest side of their pies of shit You lose when rejected and lose again if you get them Why are women pies of shit: Women have the full spectrum and have "4" in them, so everything they do is perfectly acceptable if they feel that way. There's no structure, core, or rules So the woman goes from the positive to the negative spectrum altogether - there's no morals What the woman has instead is a feedback loop against her tribe that tells her what's acceptable and what isnt Then the woman wants to be safe so she remains on the acceptable spectrum The desire for safety is the only trigger for acceptable behaviour (edited)

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When the woman enters a relationship with a man, that's the new tribe Who sets the acceptable behavior limits? YOU She cant do it, it's not in her She'll play by the tune of the tribe If she's above, then there's no boundaries and the woman will play the whole spectrum, from the most negative to the most positive on a whim And women's emotions change all the fucking time Which is why women are bad leaders as WOMEN (some incarnate more the masculine archetype and do better than feminine men) So what I am going with this is STOP MAKING THE FUCKING WOMAN YOUR LEADER Stop being the passenger She cant take you anywhere

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BUT YOU CAN TAKE HER ANYWHERE All the structure, rules, what's good, what's bad, order, direction, etc - all that is masculine Morals, ethics, direction, payoffs, strategies, winning - masculine Channel your masculine side and be the most biggest motherfucking great leader dominant macho version of you that you can possibly be, then keep doing it and be the x1000 version of it By polarity that makes all the girls want to be with you and live by your rule That's how it works Stop chasing them like they can be your leaders and like you're a follower that will do as told and be nice to them YOU CANT WIN that way Lose if rejected, lose if you get them Be the driving force, you can take them anywhere Be their passenger, they wont take you, or take you straight to hell if they take you Wake up bro ======= Because the stuff I said above is masculine - you can play your passenger game / submissive / friendly / nice guy with men and eventually you'll find men who have shared goals with you and form a tribe where there's respect, you can be there and safe, as a beta This will never happen with women With women either you're the boss, or you're a trash dumpster Start being a boss

================== That goes for theory of humor [1:06 PM] For something to be funny it has to break expectations, while at the same time fit somehow [1:06 PM] If I pull a gun at you and when I click it pops a banana, that's funny [1:06 PM] But if it pops some other object you dont understand, it's not funny [1:07 PM] The first part is break expectation, you were expecting a bullet [1:07 PM] The second part is you actually understand what happened, it fits somehow [1:07 PM] The banana is something you recognize [1:07 PM] So the expectation is broken, but you understand the result [1:07 PM] = fun happens [1:08 PM] If the expectation is broken and you don't understand the result, you're left with what the fuck is this [1:08 PM] So that [1:08 PM] My lines are breaking the expectation because [1:08 PM] I am not in follower mode, I am not following her rules [1:08 PM] TG doesnt follow the script of whatever is going on [1:08 PM] TG is always acting from their own wants [1:08 PM] So that's the breaking expectations part [1:09 PM] But then the TG actions, lines, etc, are always understadable and clear [1:09 PM] That fulfills the second part [1:09 PM] Result = humor [1:09 PM] With very low effort

====================================== "this guy is richer, but I'm banging girls and he's not, so I'm better". Learned benavior, frame? Its frame - but then you learn the frame behaviors And produce emotions that keep you snapped there, feedback loop Lets slice it some It's multi layered "this guy is richer, but I'm banging girls and he's not, so I'm better". That's not a single thing And "not comparing yourself to other people" in this case fucks things up because the comparing is not the issue So, sliced "this guy is richer" Richer is a positioning on a ladder, in this case money This is father ladder, and your impulse is to climb that, to want things that are higher in status This is your father internal compass and must be always on Looking a the rich guy and wanting that positioning is proper In comparison to the above steps in the hierarchy, you're lower This is fact On that ladder, you're lower That distance between you and the step you're contemplating to will be processed as emotion Your emotions have two options I'd need some graphs for this k I'll pull up a Becker here This is going to turn into my most comprehensive rant yet

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( Check Vlad's channel for my 4 year old type drawings)

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This is you right now Regardless of where you're in your life, past present future or were just born, that's you, you're a small dot The dot has a very simple instructive, to surive For as long as possible You're always being radiated by an enourmous amount of information that it's impossible to process All the raw amount of data information is just a blur To be able to give meaning to that information, the dot then forms a barrier against that data to filter it out That barrier is the frame Most of the data gets pushed out, some of the data enters the frame Then the dot labels the data, forms ideas, gives a name to things Since you're into meditation and stuff, this is what they call "the mirror mind" The raw information getting onto you that it's unprocessed and distorted, is "the truth" And you look into that mirror and it has everything Then it gets distorted Why does it get distorted - because little dot has no use for raw information and truth The little dot only wants to survive So how does the information HELP ME survive? what is the use for it all In the process of turning the raw information into usable things, you create MEANING

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MEANING is when you're operating with the raw info in a way that feels like you're making progress towards surival So Little dot had raw information first, then forms a frame to block and reduce the amount of information, and now has some data points that have meaning Example baby is born and starts recognizing mom's mother All the other data is blocked or still a blur, but mom's face has meaning Guided by survival the dot starts enacting on the environment The actions are behaviors They are projected from the dot's understanding or meaning of the situation he's in And are random at first When the behavior is enacted for the first few times, the action is blind The little dot is moving into the unknown Its like a sonar into the dark Then your actions / behaviors find some limit, things out there, that produce new data that comes straight back into the frame And that data is reprocessed and tied up to the behaviors

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Nurturing the frame When I do this - this other thing comes back When I cry, mother comes When I do X, Y happens There are two engines here One is the behavior, merely doing, objective - when I do This, That thing happens Logical structured mechanical The other engine is "How do I feel about this" Which is the judgement part Is this good or bad? That's emotion And the emotion will judge good / bad when processing if the meaning of the feeback loop helps you survive or not ==================

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The little dot is not alone and didn't come fully naked, it came with two external anchors The purple circle around it is the mother At the starting point, the mother is surrounding the little dot so all the movement is happening inside of her And the sole purpose of the mother is to keep the little dot safe and contained The behaviors / explorations / forming of meaning of the little dot is being controlled / protected / realigned by the mother circle to ensure the survival of the little dot So little dot main goal is survival, circle mother dot main goal is the survival of the little dot So this "feels" and is, good, safe Little dot sends a signal that is hungry, mother circle replies to that behavior by providing food That is never ending Little dot says "Im cold" mother circle responds to that signal by providing warmth This is turned into meaning inside of little dot's frame The meaning is this = When I need or want something from my survival, I get it = Therefore, Im in a safe place to keep growing = Whatever I want or need, I receive = I can voice my needs whatever they are and I get them = My state of formation is good At the same time there are behaviors that dont produce the response While there, the little dot may engage in behaviors that are bad for his own surival

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Example, going to far away from mom Or destructive behavior that is being explored These directly don't get a response Or get a negative response While mother provides extra data / stimuli / feedback loop to return the little dot to the proper behavior / state And the little dot also forms a meaning for this It means = These behaviors are not safe for surival = When I do X, Y bad things happen = Doing X is not a good state for being All this is emotional first and then practical And then what happens when the circle mother is not working properly? Raw data enters the circle, behaviors dont get immediate feedback loop, or there are intermittent rewards and punishment that dont allow a stable meaning to be formed Or the actions that are being done to pursue survival "Im hungry, I cry" are punished Or randomness Or other patterns from the circle mom that are not rooted in "first priority is to keep this lil dot safe" This becomes the main meaning = These behaviors are not safe for surival = When I do X, Y bad things happen = Doing X is not a good state for being Meaning all of your behavior are not safe, bad things happen, and being you is not a good state for survival, in general Its never safe to grow, its never safe to ask for what you want But you still need those things to survive ================================

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The dot isn't static The dot is not a full dot yet, it's like a seed Its potential Its not fully realized or ever fully realized It grows or it contracts Grows in power or shrinks in power What is power? Power is the ability to exec behavior in a way that produces a feedback loop from the outside world that gives you what you want When your power grows, your capacity to get what you want is maximized When your power shrinks, your capacity to get what you want is diminished So right on top of your desire to survive, you want growth and power Here female and masculine diverge so I'll go for the male version That yellow sun there is not the sun That's the abstract idealized potential of how big that little red dot could become at full maximized power That's where the father enters in place The father is a frame around the maximized untapped potential The apex God

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And there's a straight, very straight line between you and that Behave in a direction that doesnt lead you to your fully realized potential, the feedback loop is random, lacks something, "feeling lost" All behavior creates a feedback loop, so all actions give you something back Some meaning But then it gets processed Am I growing towards my maximum potential / power? If yes, you're on the path, if not, you're lost Even if the little dot sees the goal clearly and defined and can move towards father There's not enough energy to grow there on a single sweep In part because as you move towards it, it moves with you That sun right there is not a fixed location Its a direction As you move towards it, it keeps there at the same distance Its an oracle, its not a place But moving in that direction maximizes your power / meaning, makes you grow / expand While moving in other directions makes you shrink So what happens is that because the sun there is not an actual location but a direction

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A ladder is formed Doesnt matter which stage the dot is, there's ladder There are steps below it, and steps ahead of it And there are other dots there too There are fucking dots everywhere Welcome to hell Hell - You don't even know which dot you are You have not a frame that gives meaning to things You dont have a surrounding mother frame which only objective is to keep you nurtured and ensuring your survival You don't have a father archetype giving an overarching direction of where you should go to grow And therefore there are no steps to get there ====================== Representation of the real world with multiple paths to go but no direction For the little dot to be healthy and aligned, it needs its own mother archetype frame, and it's own father archetype frame

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As it moves towards father across the landscape, mother archetype is surrounding it and keeping it safe This little red dot here is a winner among dots So now one last thing before I can answer your question Vlad About frame change Ah min something else ================================== We're social animals like cattle And we do the above internally But we also do it socially That's a tribe as seen by the male frame There's a ladder, at the top of the ladder there's the maximum power At the bottom there's the minimum power At the top there's maximum expansion and expression At the bottom there's maximum contraction and suppression In male ladders this is often related to competence If this is a tribe that needs to move in unison and do things, then the top of the hierarchy is moving the goalposts to make everyone on the steps follow in a specific direction By changing the position of the sun, all the dots in the hierarchy ladder move in unison In the world out there we have a seemingly infinite number of different ladders / tribes With a lot of floating zombie dots There are tribes that are placed within steps of a bigger ladder

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And mini ladders inside of ladders inside of ladders But Here's the female representation of the world Instead of a pyramid it's a circle The close area to the sun is the in circle Maximum power, expression, expansion The second circle is still in the tribe but not on the in-group And outside of the second circle that's the out-tribe The circles are mother archetype The first circle loves the in group unconditionally, and the purpose of the circle is to ensure safety and survival All needs must be met Complete and unconditional compliance to the center sun and the in circle The second circle is a cushion to defend the in circle from the out -group There are part of the tribe but disposable They are nurtured and kept there as long as they serve their role of doing cushion So 2 more things then your question

For simplification of all the above Some guys did a tri-chotomy

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Alpha beta omega Alpha at the top of the tribe. He's not on the top spot since that's reserved to the ideal / abstract Beta supporting role Omega at the bottom of the tribe On a female view of this hierarchy though, women do this differently The alpha is the in group and non-distinguishable from the sun itself The betas are support group and cushion for the in circle Omegas dont belong on the tribe Also why women don't understand the ladder We as men understand this as a directional ladder and if it's based on competence, as long as we all follow the same rules and climb, these states are transitory We start at a step X and move towards the sun This is NOT what a woman sees On the woman model, B and O are trying to go where they don't belong They need to be put back where they belong For a woman you're either in the in group, or the outgroup, or outside of the tribe If you're good you get pulled in, if you're bad you get expelled, there's no in between There's no movement towards Example A food for a baby is either good food or poison Its binary Things are what they are and are wanted or unwanted =============

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So finally into frame again All the fucking time you're nothing but this You are born there and you die there Everything else is a game to survive and stay there as that dot for the longest time possible You come with a very minimalistic instruction manual - your instincts A few capabilities to process data: you process good and bad (for survival) with your emotions And then your rational capabilities: your ability to enact aimed behavior, and measure the feedback loop that comes back Thats it Then the dot meets another dot What the fuck is this? What do we do now? Each dot sends behavior out there, like a sonar And looks for the feedback loop to happen And the feedback loop will have meaning The whole purpose of this is to screen quickly if the other dot is good for self survival or not In-group or out group? above or below in hierarchy? Female possible outcome Alpha girl and beta girl Female possible outcome, two girls in the same ingroup

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Female possible outcome, two zombie cushion tools of the same outgroup "I love ricky martin omg me too!" Female possible outcome "That bitch" Girls in the in group of another tribe are the enemy For the mother archetype, anything that has power and is in another tribe / in the exterior is potentially death Its competition for resources in a way that the out group and omegas are not Its "selfish" "other groups" that are doing things for 'their own interest' and not mine! This is what women think male competition is as well Bunch of selfish assholes Now the male spectrum Easy to understand for us You're either same, or above, or below But really, really There's no same This is what actually happens Even interactions that start on a same level, if time passes, someone climbs to a step above

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Or climbs to a step below Someone becomes the driver Someone becomes the passenger And because it's a male ladder and this is based on behavior and not "your being itself and where you belong" the hierarchy is reset often, sometimes per activity Roles get interchanged, it's malleable Its function oriented Where the function of the whole ladder, is, again, the pursue of that sunny goal So now fucking finally, circling all back to frame ========================== This is you On a step of a social ladder that is aimed towards X goal With your own frame that gives meaning to your experience Your own mother circle archetype which sole function is to keep you safe and fed And your own sun / father archetype frame always shining in the direction you should go But here in this social ladder, you're at the bottom of the hierarchy You could go up, but that means interacting with the dots that are on these steps When the dots interact, a series of frame recognition games will be played "Hello there my fellow dot, I come to habitate this step on the ladder" "who the fuck are you"? Frame games are played, and the hierarchy is reset So, this is you

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Should the dot move upwards in the hierarchy or not Here's where we go into frame again Whatever frame you started with, you didn't create it You are giving a frame by action of your first two major impersonators of mother archetype and father archetype Two completely random people took on the task to play god with you In a simplified form - they took whatever behavior and impulses you exhibited And via feedback loop they labeled some behaviors and tendencies and proper or unproper Things good for your safety or things bad for your safety, in the case of mom And things that are good to aspire for, and things are not good to aspire for, in the case of father If you were able to get enough comfort and Meaning from it, you kept If you were not able to get enough comfort and meaning from it, you rebell But both actions, taking it or keeping it, are still framed, are created within that initial structure of your first tribe / ladder, your mom, dad, and you Whatever comes from there, either in favor or against it, it's a reaction You're not the input You're the outcome ====================

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The frame itself isnt you either For simplification - the frames, the shapes that distort reality / block or open to data, are pre-existing The whole ladder / circle model is pre-existing They are all pieces on a board with rules that existed before the red dot was introduced as a player to that game For each ladder on an external hierarchy there's a frame to match For each circle there's a frame to match When the red dot uses that frame, reality gets processed through it, and the experience is felt as emotion, which is "true" Think back when you've been in patterns of feeling / behavior then you "snapped out of it" and the feelings were not longer true Again Emotion is the way that the frame uses to give meaning to experience Emotion is always true And it always comes from frame And frame is a distortion / barrier against the whole raw data Frame gives meaning So what does this mean Your dot is at the bottom of this hierarchy Is that good, or bad? Does it feel good, or bad? What should little dot do next? Here's how the dot reaches a conclusion First the dot asks its surrounding mother circle frame if the needs are met Then the dot asks its little sun archetype if the potential is met Do I have my needs covered? Am I living to my potential and growing? Those two questions Am I growing or contracting? The answer to the question is pain and pleasure And the dot can move towards, or move against Either one The answer can be that this position is ideal, or that the position is death itself But look The answer is feedback loop And the feedback loop will be given meaning now For your current frame - PAIN may be a valid answer

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The frame may have learned that pain is safe When I do X, I get Pain, but I survive So pain = good The frame can be associated with a position on the hierarchy as well When you started out, your whole family, that circle / hierarchy, may have been in the out group of some tribe So for your behaviors, when you attempt things, you get rewarded / punished and formed to be an outgroup, beta man that serves the in group When you attempted to move to the in-group, you experienced pain Returned to out group, felt safe again When you played frame games with the guys in above ladders, you lost the match and went back to your below ladder position Which was pain But then you survived So that's good So ============ Frame is the surrounding container for your self and it gives meaning to things All behaviors are expressions of the frame All feedback loop, positive and negative, reinforces the frame ============

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Or, using the frame, makes the frame be Frame is an action And this was my revelation Frame doesnt "happen", frame is intent You intent frame When this exchange happens, the two dots dont interact blind Each dot attempts to project a frame into the other A way to get meaning out of the interaction And the possibilities are fixed So back to this guy and the question about going up or not And how to change frame ======================== 1) Are my wants / needs covered 2) Am I living to my full potential These two engines precede frame They sustain frame And frame precedes behavior The external ladder where the dots are allocated, is a social ladder with its own rules But internally, the dot has its own sun And it's own self caring circle The question for climbing the external hierarchy then becomes this ========= What do I need to get my needs covered (what do I want) What do I need to do to get it (lead there) ================

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Those two questions happen before the frame is formed, and before the dot is placed on social hierarchy Since social hierarchies are nothing but feedback loop Hear that again =============== Social hierarchies are nothing but feedback loop ================ They dont exist They are just meaning so ========= What do I need to get my needs covered (what do I want) What do I need to do to get it (lead there) ================ The answer for the question above, happens before frame If you're asking them from the very bottom, the most real, the deepest Meaning, before the layers of meaning you've built / emotional baggage / experience Or What do you REALLY want And What does REALLY need to happen so you get there And then, the whole thing of what to do next has nothing to do with the external hierarchy You may go up, or down, or out, or in Because you're moving on your own ladder And choosing to go up, to the next step

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Maybe this is what you do Or maybe this Or maybe you exit (Like becker going minimalist) Because now you're pursuing the real ladder ================ So what the fuck is TG then This is TG Its the step above Every time you want stuff, you're in pain Desire and pain are the same thing Every time you wake up, you're going to get hungry, thirsty, and so on Horny Every day, all day, all the time You have the two engines running 1) Am I safe, are my needs covered 2) Am I living to my full potential From these two you get pain / pleasure / emotion What is TG - the next step towards the full potential, on that internal hierarchy Why do we talk about 4 so much here Because when you ask "should I move ahead" the mother archetype circle may be saying "it is not safe!" "You don't belong to the in group!" "You are NOT one of the people that belong in the in group" So mother and father can be doing opposite work And it needs to be aligned How to get it aligned

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You need a clear, straight, view into your max potential A clear, crystal clear, unadultered, unrestrained access to the full you Your maximum power, maximum expansion, what does it look like And you need a mother / archetype that is completely in love with it As an overarching theme You the dot, moving towards unrestrained growth and potential Moving closer to God While being protected, fed, and kept safe by an unconditional loving mother / female force, that is even more in love with your potential than you could possible be, because it's unconditional and pure emotional based This is what it feels like too Now what happens when there's no fucking mother and you dont have this Tough luck Representation of a dot trying to walk towards greatness while unprotected, and tempted by random feminine archetypes offering comfort but also death Why death - that's not where the sun is The sun is in the out-group for them Its the enemy Get inside of one of these circles, you die and become food This is also the sad reality of the player lifestyle Its playing with temptation, then you may get confused and die there Representation of the proper way to do player lifestyle - you own the sun, its your tribe and your circle People can come and go "your empire" ===============================

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To close on the TG frame stuff above You choose if you expand or contract You choose to be above or below - everything, every interaction, every movement, every behavior Nothing is random, everything serves a purpose When I do this ========== What do I want Lead there ========== What I do is go back to the core and ask these questions for real And let them manifest as they are Not as a response to a feedback loop But as the originators of a feedback loop Since what I want is more growth, power, sun That moves the frame to the above step Instead of to the bottom step Does anyone else have a say on this? no What other people do is give feedback loop And all feedback loop reinforces the frame I choose to move forward, and above, and expand That's intent Its not reaction =================================== Now finally to your question Vladd ==================================

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"this guy is richer, but I'm banging girls and he's not, so I'm better". Guy rich Money is power That's a ladder If you had more money, you'd have more power You and the guy are placed on a ladder, where he's above This is objectively true Eg. Raw data Then we have a different ladder, which is banging girls In that ladder you're at the top, and he's at the bottom Those purple circles are the mother / feminine archetypes you're putting your dick into Though it may be just one But this ladder exist, and that's also objectively true, fact However the whole movement you're doing has other pieces "this guy is richer, but I'm banging girls and he's not, so I'm better". Back to the first ladder Wealth is a valid ladder and you want it When you look ahead on the ladder, you'll see other dots there When you see them, you compare Its inevitable When you see the distance between the two steps, the difference is pain Inevitable Desire = pain But what should happen with that pain? Here's the fucking crux What should happen with that pain And what does the pain look like What is the meaning of the pain Back to the two engines Is this pain coming from mother archetype of father archetype Is this pain coming from feedback loop Is the pain coming from frame What is the pain Here's what the pain SHOULD look like ===========

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I want to have all that money so I can be even more safe and be even more powerful. Being in the presence of that greatness makes me feel pain ============ The pain here is your desire to be there So what should happen with this pain: it should be mobilized into you getting there Example You're a fat slob, one day you see a body builder You experience pain, say "fuck this" and that pain / desire now overrides the current fat slob frame and you change into someone who does exercise Time passes, you keep moving towards that ideal, you become it / reach it This is what shouldn't happen You're a fat slob, one day you see a body builder, experience pain, then say "He's good looking but I have a mustang, so Im better" ====== There's some fucked up shit here The pain should make you move towards or against stuff, farther or closer, that's what the pain is there for But here the pain didn't make you move Instead, you're blocking the pain by taking value from an unrelated value, and using it to defend against this other pain "I have cash on the bank account not like that loser body builder" So it's manipulating different ladders and merging them in order to feel safe / security While not actually pursuing the growth, which is where the pain should have come from Not necessarily and Im getting to it What's the pain like? If you're born in the out-tribe, when you look into the in-tribe and they have all the goodies Looking at them causes pain Why pain - I want it but I cannot have it So the pain is in the frame itself Not having it is already part of the frame So the pain is ok Its not mobilizing pain

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Its stagnating pain Pain you live with, pain that is safe Im below in hierarchy, but this is my place The other option that is a mix - feedback loop Its when the father is pointing in one direction and the mother is against it That creates a self flagellation loop I want to do X - then sabbotage myself I start on the path - then all my resources disappear Every time you put the energy together to move towards greatness, all the self functioning / support mechanisms stop Or, mom hates dad Pursue greatness, you feel the urge to shrink Stop pursuing greatness, you feel comfy again But in pain! Then you're told by the inner purple circle mother archetype "its better this way" So - It can be real pain, mobilizing pain Or it can be static, frame pain Or it can be feedback loop pain, aka when you move you get punished Find out which is it If its real pain, then the path is to move ahead and become wealthier Befriend the rich guy Enter the tribe Learn Grow Compare yourself against him, what is he doing that you're not "befriend the alpha" Emulate, learn, win If the pain is static frame pain, snap the fuck out of it And if the pain is feedback loop pain, fix your mother archetype, and likely fix your father archetype too There are two things here ==============

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When the pain is not real / based on desire, but frame pain or feedback loop pain The emotional state is there always Its part of the functions of the frame The frame gives meaning to things, and emotions are meaning Which means The emotion is there before you even see the rich guy Then you see the rich guy, and USE HIM to trigger the emotions you're trying to feel anyway Example: bottom guys go to bars and are already, internally, pushovers and below people So they go to the bars and they start roleplaying with others, that others are above in hierarchy and qualifying the BG So the BG comes already from below and qualifying to people like they are superiors, and these people dont even know who the fuck the BG is or where he ranks or stands Similarly The feeling of being below some rich dude - that pain is already there So you find, daily, weekly, but always, new things to compare against that give you that pain and keep it fresh Because that's either the flavor of the frame, or the flavor of the feedback loop It has meaning And the meaning keeps the frame alive And now the movement of counterbalancing your position in a hierarchy against the feeling of devaluation in another hierarchy, while remaining stagnant

That's the fucked up part and what made me write all this That's likely feeling the devaluation of one ladder as motherly So it's not that you're objectively below in a hierarchy (no problems with that) But FEELING like you dont deserve it, or are worth less as a being OR FEELING like if you go for that step on the ladder you'll be punished for it (mom hates dad) So to FILL that gap quickly Rob value from the self worth (motherly) that another male hierarchy gives you To fight this other bitch So we have 2 male / step ladders that are about power But turned into motherly circles

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To get self worth / protection And when you experience (male) pain in one ladder, that turns into low self worth (female), and you bring another male ladder, turned female, to rescue the kid from the other ladder that devaluated you Too complex

In short dont Feel the pain of the comparison Comparing to others is masculine, how otherwise are you going to climb But if the pain is genuine, follow the path, climb and win Befriend the guy If the pain is not genuine but it's some frame game, eg. if you dont really want to be that rich and are just using the guy to feel the emotions of low self worth and devaluation, then just let it go DONT take value from some unrelated thing to cover this one If its real pain, feel And move If its not real pain, feel, and tell it to fuck off Makes sense? End of rant =============== Ah the "dont compare against other people" comes from "dont measure your self worth against others" and on the positive side it means "be self centered" which is good. But the fact is that when you move from A to B, you participate in ladders and all this is nothing but comparisons. So - keep your own mother archetype / protective surface intact, as you climb, so you're not requiring or stealing validation from others. The masculine ladder has nothing to do with validation and you can't find it there. Validation is "my needs matter and Im in a safe space to grow" which has no place in the male hierarchy. A lot of our problems come from mixing those two, which in our case comes from a bad initial mother archetype and often also a fucked up father, either bland or absent

(drawings https://discordapp.com/channels/279539811327672321/478674859518328894/735433688271290378)

From @Raja

competence has nothing to do with self love. Getting things done must not be hindered with self love. Infact it must boost. Self love is basically believing and nurturing ourselves with a belief that we are 100/100 , we don't need validation from the world to tell us we are worthy human beings. The world around us have a habit of relating our skill, obidence , competence with self worth. The key is to separate those things. Tiger can fail in something that has nothing to do with who he is as a human being. The world around us will try hard to make you believe the opposite and that's when you must take the feedback, soothe your self ( mom ) then take the feedback see what went wrong and devise a plan to correct it ( dad ). Meanwhile showing a

to the world. If you are missing deadlines time to up the dad.

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====================== "why do you tell a joke" I found the ref - it's good stuff and accurate but I've learned my words better since The issue with texts like that is that BG listens to those words and reframes So yeah It's not that I want them to laugh and therefore I say the joke, or, it's not that I want the click The screening process is led by curiosity Its all IF It's all exploration and maybes So yes I want to get laughs - yes I want to get arousal Yes I want people to like me But the words dont fully express the situation and the difference of doing this from above / below frame ============= But he said he's not wanting the click, just want to see if there is a click. ============= When you are going to say the joke, you don't do that trying to find what the other person finds funny When you lead, it's not to see if the other person follows Fuck words - Here's the point When BG looks at these statements above for example "Lead to see if she'll follow" he's placing below the girl and asking for the girl to instruct him, for the girl to lead, and asking for permission to do stuff himself For this to be done right - the jokes you say, the teases you do, the directions you lead into, must be TRUE for you They may not land on others, there may not be clicks externally But they all have to click already in you The joke must be fun for you, the thing you're leading into must be the direction you want things to go

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So it's not that you're doing these things trying to get the other people to show you where to go Instead you're initiating stuff in a very clear direction of how you want things to be Then the feedback / clicks / responses / reaction, tells you if THEY are the proper audience / engagers / people to do this with So you initiate and see if they laugh, follow etc, that tells you everything about what type of interaction you can have with them But "Them" is the incognito part of the equation I want to bang. Her? I want to have funny interactions. With them? Your behavior is a beacon / sonar You invest or do more when the feedback is favorable So you can do more of what you want to do If the feedback is not favourable then they may be open for other stuff you want to do, or not If it's all walls find better recipients The focus is never fixated on getting something specific from a specific person That's the "yes guy" thing ============= (edited)

Lead AND see if they follow - TG Lead TO see if they follow - BG Tell a joke AND see if they find it funny - TG Tell a joke TO see if they find it funny - BG One has you as the authority and the joke is already funny for you and even though you want a specific outcome, the movement is outcome independent, they can laugh or not, they are free to do whatever The other has them as the authority and you dont know if the joke is funny until they laugh, the only outcome you want is that they approve of the joke and doing something unfunny for them means failure First case you're above, second case you're below And the joke itself can be the same in both situations, but the frame changes the whole dynamics of how this goes

============================= I got another slice of understanding with that Its gonna be too abstract for newbies

But remember the drawings and shit I did, there's frame, behavior, and the behavior goes to the outside and comes back as feedback loop Before you do anything, before any behavior is expressed The intention is "projected from the frame" Eg. We're giving the advice to the guys here, and they imagine themselves doing it That's happening pre-behavior, its just the frame attempting the behavior on an imagined world And it looks for a possible feedback loop that is compatible with the frame If I do X this Y is gonna happen Nothing has ever happened yet but the frame already is rigging the outcome to be compatible with it So Spahbed is looking for ways to pass judgement that are compatible with BG for example Do I say negs with hahas? How do I turn this into something that is BG compatible? Because just doing the exercise as is "doesnt resonate" So the new point of knowledge I got is: The BG specifically, asks for permission to it's own feedback loop before doing anything

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In the case of James, he's doing rapport rapport rapport until its "safe" to pass judgement or doing something that exposes him In the case of Spahbed here, he's just thinking in his own mind trying to play the scenario, looking for something that "clicks" that "allows him to do the thing" So the behavior is imagined, then a feedback loop is imagined, and when the feedback loop is positive THEN they can do the thing So the feedback loop is the master, their behaviors are slave This is the "asking for permission" in a nutshell AKA I require feedback loop before I do anything The point with TG or the above frame is that it works the opposite way FIRST I do, THEN I get feedback loop The feedback loop is my bitch And it is whatever I want it to be My own actions are free

=== Doing some instrospection When I have an intention, also the behavior is projected to the imaginary world and Im looking for a feedback loop before I act But the question is different What the sonar is looking for, is "where is the place where I would get maximum returns for my action" or "Where is my effort / action more wisely invested" Im in the process of choosing my second game to make for NOWWA for example, and Im looking at the market, with my intention, and figuring out where the money bag is Eventually I get a spark and I see an opportunity When that happens, my energy level grows and I really wanna do that thing For places that I see with low level returns, my energy level decreases "Dont see the gains in investing there" So with openings the level energy grows, with walls it goes down But the intent itself doesnt change The frame is not looking for a permission feedback loop to then do the behavior as told by the feedback loop

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The behavior is not waiting for a master to serve Instead, the behavior is already set, and is just looking for a proper recipient that will maximize it's effect Eg. The sex slaves analogy. You want to have a type of sex, you ping your girls and see who's in the mood, you go with the girl who suits your desires better "buyer frame" But internally, in the frame itself BG: Waits for a feedback loop to tell the behavior what to do TG: Looks for a feedback loop that will maximize the effectiveness of the already decided behavior BG looks for a master and is compliant to it TG looks for compliance to an already defined want

=================== What you do is ALWAYS in the direction you want But in your head / frame you play games to get what you want that may be autopilot / unconscious So "What do you want" the question has the intent to make you go to the desire that is behind the game And try again from TG frame Instead of playing the BG game that is in autopilot The key there is that all the things that are happening in BG frame have the want muffled because BG can't actually make things happen - it relies on other people doing stuff first It relies on external direction So the BG will or may do a bunch of openings or manipulations, but still can't pinpoint what's the desired end result of all that So the mere act of focusing on the pure want takes you away from that frame It forces you to step back from it Then you can actually do the thing and lead to that end result What you do is ALWAYS in the direction you want The end result you want for example may be to "bang the girl" but the game you're playing in the middle is "jump as a passenger, have her validate me / approve me / put her on a pedestal / be nice / do as she says / and then I win" Or "force the girl into taking action" (edited)

=============================== To be more exact there - The BG frame already existed - the mind snaps to a pre existing frame. Each frame comes with associated behaviors It may be that you're born and you snap to BG or TG frame on your own, or it may be that your parents push you into adopting the frame with nurture and correction Or it may be that a series of events or feedback loops tune your emotional state and it makes you snap into a frame Whatever the case, once you're in a frame, THE REST OF THE BEHAVIORS then come in practice So its not even learned behavior - the behaviors come naturally to you, because they are part of the frame Get into BG frame, you'll beg, chase, supplicate, steal value, push down, etc. Even if the "learned behavior" was just one of them, then you'll do all the others, it's a behavioral package. Get in frame, do all the behaviors Nobody has to teach you the behaviors, all you need to do is get in the frame Look at dogs doing dominance fights Nobody teaches a dog to put the tail between the legs and roll with the belly up Nobody teaches a beta that they need to give comfort and smile and be supportive Nobody teaches a gamma to be like a woman in the dominance fights Nobody teaches a woman to screen for TG All the stuff exists already, you move in and out of these pre existing slots This is why also fighting the behavior or judging yourself is pointless The behavior is not yours, and the frame isnt you If you want to change - move to the next frame And start enacting what comes naturally there

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Or: Your behavior has nothing to do with you The only reason it feels like you is because you self identify with it / have stories about it Its not more you than whatever clothes you're wearing

========= its another say of saying that you dont need the experience to then get the frame - doesnt work that way The frame creates the experience Experience is feedback loop in the form of emotion The frame can only produce the experience that is associated with it Win a million dollars as a BG - that's a BG experience It will come with stories, assumptions that are BG, and will produce BG behaviors Lose a million dollars as a TG - that's a TG experience, will come with stories, assumptions and strategies that are TG, and produce TG behaviors And you cant get the TG experience in BG frame and no experience will make you switch frames With the exception of total complete failure Total complete failure may make you go back enough that you reject the frame and look elsewhere What also can make you switch frames - a strong leader, if you're in BG A strong father figure telling you to change What else can make you dissociate from your frame - drugs But what can make you TG? Only your own will

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Because that's the foundation of it What. Do. I. Want. The TG frame is formed of your own unconditional assertion of your own want Which is why you have no trouble doing it many times a day on irrelevant stuff like going to a restaurant and ordering food, you dont even think about it You just do it Unless you like the BG frame so much that you inject it on every second of your life - you have already spaces where you're in TG If you feel OK until there's a hot prize in front of you and you feel the "going below" at that point, then you were more in TG until that moment and you're feeling the drag down You know this stuff because you can feel as it drags you up and down The little burst of validation that you get from others is a experience on that rail as well, go up, go down And the associated behaviors change as well as you go up and down From expansion power and freedom to contraction powerlessness and restriction, from leader to follower, etc Is that any of that you? nope That's just the machine we're playing in

============= Raja: Is BG self sabotaging? "having and killing your desire" There's more than one desire At different intensities The desire that is moving at the greatest intensity here, is, the desire to feel validated by this interaction The desire to have an external validator That's stronger than the desire to fuck So, the pursue of the desire to be validated, yes, sabotages the desire to fuck Because it wont match the proper dance / wont enact the proper behaviors that lead to fucking, or, getting a movie role, etc But the desire being enacted in a strategy Its a strategy to win Its not self destructive intentionally When the BG activates here, it puts all that pain upfront and it makes you cry into the world What the BG thinks will happen, is that someone will care Eg. mom or dad will come to the rescue, mom will nurture, dad will fix the world for you If its an interaction with a girl, the girl will listen to your pain, care, and make things right In the real world however, you get dumped, and nobody cares You dont get the girl nor the movie role Why - because BG is disgusting Then that gives you the feedback loop that reassures BG that it is disgusting and has no value again, loop closed, no way out So yeah, its self sabotaging in a way. But it's really a strategy to win - a strategy that doesnt fit the reality So you cant win with it, but BG doesnt know it When BG gets the feedback loop, it just tells BG that the BG is real

=============== This is the reason why BG can't lead Why - it cant reward Rewarding, giving value = equals being below Which is true - BG only gives value to the master Giving value to the people below you? impossible, they are there to be pushed further down This also translates to not being able to reward or punish properly So BG ends up punishing openings Punishing compliance And then when the people you punish fed up Then you switch to being nicer Which means now you reward bad behavior Everything is flipped Can you reward, do nice things, send flowers, do acts of caring etc etc etc be generous - yes, when you do it to REWARD good behavior that already happened But BG does the above, beta does these things to BEG for behavior that didnt happen yet So its transactional, first give value, then beg for crumbs Here "you're hot" is her reward for sending that pic And she'll feel good, so she'll be sending more hot pics Dog and a bone I had this same issue btw, for fucking years tigerkkYesterday at 11:35 PM My brain is totally wired wrong then Yohami *NOWWAYesterday at 11:35 PM Even a hundred or so bangs after, I was still like... I can't say nice things! being nice is bad! tigerkkYesterday at 11:35 PM Yes Telling the girl she's beautiful degrades me! Etc Bs

================ 1) You look at the behavior you want to enact 2) Identify it as BG 3) Pause the behavior completely, and say "Im not the type of man who does this, and I wont ever act this way" 4) As you stop the behavior before it happens, the feeling under it intensifies, its a mix of desperation, sadness, neediness, void, drowning 5) You dont stop the behavior by tensing up or fighting it but by relaxing. Go deep into feeling that pain and embrace it where it is, without giving it solutions, just love it. The way to love it is with an emotional statement, doesnt need to be verbal. The statemet is "I am perfect / my value is 10/10" 6) As it passes by, look for the direction where you actually want to go. If not that BG path, what then? 7) As it becomes clear, do that, initiate it, lead there (edited)

======================== "I just want girls where else would I apply TG" You apply it in yourself "I do tg exercise with random ppl but I don't have much interest there" The purpose of the exercise is to practice changing your frame where there are no stakes or risks, its safe because you're starting of a point where you do not require external validation and are not replaying the type of interaction that triggers the most BG in you, so you have range to normalize it and learn, without fearing repercussions Eg. Its easier for Raja to 'practice being TG' with random street people than it is to do it with movie producers. Or music producers in my case With girls, you have a lifelong history of putting them above you and playing a beggar, so that scenario is already tainted and every time you start the game you do so from the same position Which is why it's the harder place to learn The failure with girls is a symptom, not the problem itself What is the problem itself - your base core frame / identity Does it manifest in other areas other than with girls? yes, it manifests all the time at different degrees The difference though - movies / music are competence ladders and filled with men You can enter in the movie / music world as a mostly BG person, but if you're competent you'll be able to climb because you're useful With women this doesnt happen The doors close for BG and open for TG Why

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Because women are tuned to filter only for the winners of the male ladders There's no climbing or showing competence there, you either are, or you are not When the girl is doing her initial screening she's either seeing you as a TG and fully open and ready, or she's seeing you as TG enough and will be giving you small tests so you reveal yourself as TG or BG Which means - Women are not the problem They want to know if you're TG or BG You can't "Apply TG to women" because that in itself is BG behavior Being with women is what the TG does to relax, that's not the scenario where he does new stuff and new tricks So you have to be TG overall in your real life, every second Then you relax with women And they all open It starts on the base If you're doing anything at all to get women, you can't get women Do you understand? The guy with the mansion and the lamborgini and the six pack who did all of that to get women, can't get women Get it? The guy will be screened Part of the screening may be sex But the guy will be getting Mimi's Bad sex and ghosting If sex at all Then commit suicide

======================= "If i see a guy who has whats i want and on seeing it i want to be better than him. Like in a kind of comepetiton way. Is it to be counted in tg or bg behaviour?" BG Here's the situation so you see the BG ========= Im walking around hungry thinking of lunch, I come by a guy eating a ham sandwich He has what I want! I want to be better than him! ==========

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My request for Tiger to expand on "what situation" is intended to get him go deeper into what he's stating It's not "what he wants" but "the external source of validation that I don't feel worthy of" Which is why the sandwich example reveals the absurdity You don't use a sandwich for external source of validation so seeing another guy eating one doesnt trigger "I wanna be better than him" But other things, money, girls, success, social power, whatever - that you have desire for because you want the external validation, while at the same time you feel not worthy of or dont think you can get it or have emotional baggage around Then someone else having that validation makes you form the hierarchy and it pushes you down In the case of Tiger he wants to bully the guy to go above and steal that validation In the case of a normal BG it pushes you down and makes you want to go all submissive and pushover so they adopt you So how does TG handle that situation

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======== Me: (hungry walking around thinking of lunch) Me: (sees guy eating delicious ham sandwich) Me: MAN that sandwich looks good Guy: Oh thanks! yeah its great Me: Did you buy it somewhere? Guy: Nah my wife made it Me: (grin) The plus side of married life Guy: haha Maybe found a friend here, maybe not, who gives a fuck ========== Or maybe he bought it somewhere close and I can get the same The point being - someone who has what I want in life is in no way an obstacle or a rival for me getting the same thing If anything he's a possible ally or a reference on how to get the things I want A living example This is why there's "Befriend the alpha" "TGs get along" They are not blocking you They are success cases jealousy is a emotion Jealousy is not "I want that thing", it's really "I can't have it" So why not

================ Whatever you're feeling about "The one" right now is the same women feel about TG all the fucking time But that "one" feeling is not really about Syrian And that feeling for TG isn't really about the guy The interaction with the other person is a role-play So within the boundaries of a role-play you have that connection Whats your actual soul connection with Syrian = zero You still dont know her Why you don't know her - you haven't really screened her yet Why you haven't screened her yet - you're not a leader yet Why you're not a leader yet - you are not really HERE yet So all the roleplay is happening in a quasi dream state where the players are interchangeable Now you think Syrian is the one to validate you and the game you play in that scenario is lost puppy boy who just needs some caring Where's that coming from - you, 20 years ago or something Its not here (edited)

================================== Where does it start Does first the mom go take care of the needs of the child Or does the child first express his needs Right So you start the self parenting by being the child and expressing all these needs and pain And demanding that mom / dad show up Then you feel that hurt / resistance And then is when you flip those as they show up with the proper counter dance Yes, love affection approval direction Nurturing Positive feedback loop to your mere presence Positive feedback loop to your needs / importance Guidance / moral compass for your direction / steps Here's how I experience it

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I had a fucked up childhood with uncaring mom So I have / had my needs neglected and a constant feeling that whatever I want, Im not gonna get, or I dont deserve That was my initial proposition for everything - going for a job, talking to a girl, playing live, anything I buy a pc, my gut feeling when Im gonna turn it on is that it wont work Constant background fear So, doing 4 1 - channel the need What's the need: that I get the interview That the girl is into me That playing live feels good and people like it The the pc works Etc Note how all of those are feedback loops to my needs With a broken mother archetype, all these feedback loops come pre-written as negative My needs: I dont get Happens under my skin as soon as I have the desire for anything Why under my skin: mother imprint Carries along in my emotional body or whatever name you want to give to it "mother archetype" Or more exactly "My relationship with mother archetype" Or more exactly "The type of game / pre rigged feedback loop that I expect when I manifest my needs" So first,

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1- Channel the need The base hunger. desire, need, want, whatever So it manifests fully I want - job, attention, caring, joy, whatever Then what should follow If I get negative feedback before anything even happens, thats "broken mother archetype" I pause, focus there That negative feedback loop is causing pain So I feel the pain Why feel the pain? because the pain is real, and I do not want the pain Note that Do not want So what do I want? I want positive feedback loop So I demand that too Basically, reject the noncaring mother / reject the inner negative feedback loop, instead of playing along to it Stay there, feeling the objections or whatever or broken games, and when theres pain, feeling that pain, and demanding, channeling that want that is being obfuscated by a broken feedback loop Then when all the wants are aligned That want itself expressed, that will take nothing but a positive feedback loop, and there are no more 'voices' or games on autopilot THEN from that ghost / shadow mother imprint I myself give myself what I want So I can be the deserving recipient and feel like I matter The point is not that Im the mother What this is doing is fixing my broken child and all the twisted games Eg. How would be the inner game if the mother thing would have been played correctly You re-channel, role-play the inner deep need

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And this time don't break it The end result is that the need is fully felt / expressed with nothing blocking it And internally the feedback loop is "your needs matter and you deserve anything you want" The result of that is "my value is 10/10" You can go approach that state in different ways If you go ahead and say the statement "I love myself and my value is 10/10" and you channel the emotions it may trigger pain (because your inner needs get pinged and the pain repressing them gets triggered) May trigger the emotions and abandonment and failures and etc But the end result is - needs fully felt and expressed, and inner feedback loop approving them = self worth As if mom had done her job And father is similar but goal oriented and competence related

================= Women have no concept of truth Women have tribe, survival, and emotion If stuff benefits their survival that's good Doesnt benefit their survival, bad That's as far as facts go That's how you have the leftists saying that gender is a spectrum and that math is racist, too There's no truth, there's tribe, survival, and emotion So what the fuck is it to "lie to a woman" Woman has no truth to begin with - you could frame their whole reality as a lie in itself But that misses the mark as it has nothing to do with truth to begin with I read @Flat Lander quote and it doesnt fit, so What requires you to 'lie' to a woman That starts with the woman asking something, right? She wants to know stuff Does she want facts? no She wants emotional stuff that feels good to her If she asks for something, what she wants to know has nothing to do with facts, has everything to do with how she wants to feel about it Eg. is that something good or not for her And the rest of the time the real question is "are you BG or are you TG" Example questions: are you dating someone Real thing she wants to know: are you BG loner or TG womanizer, and where do I stand in your cue of women and what are my chances of getting TG sperm from you? The facts here dont matter This is why "I have 8 girlfriends you can be no. 9" works It conveys the proper emotional response That was my first line in game btw

And I was baffled

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Factual response: No Im not dating anyone, had a girlfriend till a few months ago That's facts but it conveys the wrong emotional message. So now she has doubts, are you lonely because you are a TG womanizer banging too many women? or are you really lonely because you have no worth and no women like you? Same if she asks about your job Same any other question They dont want facts they want their emotional checkboxes Men and women live in different realities You are wired to want facts Because facts tell you how to be more competent And competence determines your survival Right? Without facts you can't operate, get better stronger more adept Truth shows the path ahead Even if the stronger man wins and that man isnt you - that stronger man still shows you the path to victory, you can learn / follow So the bigger game is more important than the players Lies are bad because they obscure the path So, lies bad, truth good Now imagine, children 4-5 year old Someone ate candies If they say they ate the candies, they will be punished and grounded If they say they didnt eat candies, get more candies What's the value of truth? Women are wired for a different survival game, and it's solely on tribe acceptance Its a passive game (edited)

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Being a good passenger of the tribe They clean up the tribe, nurture the players, keep unwanted players out Service and adore the leaders Nurture the little ones Keep things tiddy Things feel good when they benefit their position in the tribe, feel bad when they don't There's no fucking facts Its feelz That's the good ones The bad ones, steal So they steal instead of nurture Eventually they'll use whatever they stole to feed their own spring But steal anyway So for women there's no facts, and also they dont understand men and their facts, they think we're playing the same reality as they are And in a way we are - as we like facts because of their emotional content too, they FEEL good But we FEEL good / better with truth than with lies And women will feel / bad only in relation to how these things affect them And if it doesnt affect them, there's no emotional content for them Eg. Women dont give a fuck about machines or physics

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Rockstar means ... you are at top of your game in your life

Yep. But not everyone can be at the center of their own life!!! A masked way to say "I dont feel like I can do it" Here's where fuck your feelings, just do it, comes to play "there are millions of men out there who will never be alpha, dominant or attractive to women, and your advice to be alpha, dominant and attractive to women is useless to them, and Im one of these men! so here I am asking how to bang all these women without being alpha, dominant or attractive! and you keep telling me to change! omg can you tell me something else!" "Im skinny and weak what can I do? what? to hit the gym? not all men can hit the gym" "So how can I lift heavy weights without having muscles? no stop talking about diet and gym not everyone can be muscular" I dont even know where this bullshit comes from If you want to be attractive to women, then you have to be attractive to women And what women find attractive is rather simple Its not the loser, its not the beta, it's not the scarce, it's not the loner, its not the clueless, its not the normal guy Its the alpha, its the leader, its the dominant guy, it's the winner, its the apex - the personality of that guy Can every man be that? Yes Will every man? No Will you? Its up to you only Its choice Can you be dominant, alpha, leader, apex, winner - only to bang girls? no, you'll run out of fuel, it'll be a pretense, and whats driving it is the scarcity and everything that is wrong that makes you unattractive to begin with So how do you do it? by wanting and pursuing it directly Pursuing what? being dominant, alpha, leader, apex, winner, you pursue THAT, you pursue attainting IT and declining to be anything else "but what happens with all my life so far, my identity, who I think I am, my attachments, my fears, my comfort zones?" It dies. But you are born.

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Its up to you to choose if you want to change and be a better / superior version of yourself, and to do so because you want to be that person Its a desire that comes from you and the target is you In a way the desire to get girls is also the desire to not change. The problem / weakness is projected onto women and you think they are the solution The funny twist is that when you're weak women only make everything worse And the more value you put on them the less value you have And the less value they see in you That game is there, set by nature, to ensure you die without reproducing The more you see yourself as weak, the more you see the women as what you need to be normal / valuable / human, the less value you have, the more the walls close around you, the deeper the pit under your feet That ends with you dead or enslaved Does anybody give a fuck? no. And specially not women Who can change that situation? you. Can you choose? yes.

===================== "I wanted to get some value from women and now I am empty handed" = they have the value, you want it Dead end bro Always They smell it This is the only shit they care about Who's got the value in the interaction If it's them, there's nothing for them to keep it going They can just walk out and win They will be with the man who has the value, not with the man who wants the value

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=== nothing can be done to "ease her up" Thats like starting the interaction with a game that plays like this ==== Hey I know you're more attractive than me and it's likely that you reject me, but if you give me a chance I'll make it up to you (or similar) ===== Being with you can't be something that you ease her up to Being with you is the fucking lottery You also want to feel like you're the lottery So start there If you two bang, she won the lottery She can't be your prize You're the prize

================================================================ FINDING THE TG / BG frame using shrink, grow Imagine yourself in an interaction with a girl you want to bang So you alone in your mind Start by putting the girl there Got her there? Awesome Is she attractive? Nice! Hot? Oofff Check your state and feelz Who's got more value, she, or you? See? Check your chest area Do you feel emboldened like you can do whatever you want Or do you feel threatened like you can mess up shit Good

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So now you're feeling the frame This is just you, alone, with an idea of a girl The fucking girl doesnt even exist Its in your mind And before you do anything or start thinking anything The situation is already FRAMED She's got the value, she's above, you're below Welcome to frame Now lets switch that What do you want to eat today for dinner? So you alone in your mind Start by putting the food there Feel it What is the best possible way to eat it? which ingredients What do you put on them What's the best What else can make it better? Imagine eating it Yum Fuck yeah Feel your state Growing or shrinking? Do you feel like you can do 'whatever the fuck you want' or like you can mess things up Yeah, you can do so much, the question is ridiculous

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"What the fuck do you mean, Im just gonna eat it" It doesnt even register Feel your desire for the food stuff Fully Does it have more value than you now? The more you want it, the more you grow Now you're feeling the TG frame So, 10 min, and you know how each feels The behaviors that come from each frame are different The client / operates from the same place you're experiencing now with the duck And the seller / operates from the frame you had with the girl TG / BG With one you're free, you can want stuff, but you know what you want, you know what's best, you know what you'd do to make it better You're free and there's no way to 'mess things up', it's just a thing, and you own it You're the judge, you have the power With BG, its' the opposite complimentary You have both frames, we all do We apply the above / below frames to most things

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And you live in one of them primarily I used girl / food but you'll be using BG and TG for different things, abstract and particular, you use one of those frames for each interaction, each relationship, every little thing you do, alone or with people When you're asking a question about what to do - first check which frame you're using to formulate the question. When in doubt, feel frame And understanding this is crucial: If you're in BG frame, its dead Get it? There's nothing else to do Its dead Either dead immediately or dead down the road You have to go back Before the moment when you put the frame there Drop that Find the TG frame And restart It helps if you know that - when you're feeling with the BG frame, it doesnt matter what you do, its dead So, why do anything Stand there, do nothing, not enact When you pause like that, the frame loosens And if you have a strong desire to be a fucking real man boss Then you feel repulsed by the feelings of BG frame, like it happened to you And if you're getting used, in other areas of your life, of always feeling like in case 2 Then in the moment when you go BG you can recognize it, reject it, drop it, and channel TG

============================================================================== Buyer / frame PT = personal trainer analogy. On an interaction between personal trainer PT and client, when they meet each other and start working together Who is giving something, the PT or the client? The client is giving money? yes sure But who is giving - PT Will the client just give money away? Or it comes with a condititon Whats the condition - that the PT performs Who is the judge in that dynamic then - client But the PT is also judging the client right? - yes But who's the ultimate judge - client So who is trying to please whom? PT tries to please client as their primary role, evaluates client as secondary role Client evaluates PT as primary role, tries to please PT as secondary role ts a power dynamic Its a pre-written game You know how to play both parts We all come with those games wired We know how to be on each side of the equation But emotionally you'll identify with one more Eg you'll feel better as client, or you'll feel better as provider This dynamic has several components and mirrors in other areas Leader / follower Driver / passenger Above / below Client / servicers Boss / employee If you narrow that down to the pure abstract Its TG / BG If you're in BG, then with girls, on your mind, before you even interact with them You mentally, emotionally put yourself as the PT / provider / worker / follower / passenger / employee / below And put them as the client / judge / boss / driver / leader / ultimate authority Then you come ask me and read PUA stuff about how to win in that scenario You can't win in that scenario (edited)

============ You start moving towards what you want, feel the pain holding you back, feel it, and then fully move forward towards what you want

============ She's no the leader dude Her behavior is a reaction to you Take her behavior as feedback, are you being TG or BG Then rectify yourself == What is "more" It everything means anything you have it gets turned into a benefit for her Literally any molecule in your body, any second in your time, any thought in your brain, anything Monogamy is just the start She wants your time, money, resources, workforce, everything The woman wants everything in the masculine to be oriented towards her and service her Make her good But - there's no paying any of it back Do you have needs? fuck your needs, use that to benefit her Woman is 100% selfish towards the masculine She only goes into the type of femininity you want towards TG But when there she's always checking if she can turn into full form and just take it all If she's able to take it all, she does, and goes on to keep on hunting

====== Reject the idea that anyone is your superior Not this girl, not a president, not the police, not your family NOT THIS GIRL NOBODY Nobody is superior to you ========

=========== When you are in BG, you pass control and power to the other person, and you put your pain and troubles into them. You're reacting to them, and showing them your feelings or state, and its on them to make it right. Literally you're "passenger" - they need to read the situation and "drive it to a destination" that is good for you, they have to read you, and act, for you to be ok. As such, you need the other person to first feel, or act in certain way, to then you feel the way you want to feel. Your emotions and state are chained to that person. When I ask "what do you want / lead there" - the BG frame interprets that as "how to make this person Im attached to, change, so then I can feel the way I want". So this turns into control. Philander seeks for ways to control the girl, Tiger initiates fights expecting a back and forth that automagically would go his way, Spah just completely passes the lead and renders himself useless, etc. The thing to change here, is - detach yourself from the girl, and dont have your emotions and state be a reflection, a reaction to hers. Be yourself a reflection of you first. Let HER be a reaction to you. So, its what do you want, what do you need to feel really great, what feels like growing, what is a victory, with no conditionals or requirements or negotiation or anything that first passes through the other person. (edited)

What do YOU want, need, care about, etc, what's your ideal destination. Then YOU initiate that without asking for permission, without negotiating, and without self imposed limits. YOU, pursuing what is good for YOU. Then the other person is completely free to react to you, to follow you, or not, to contribute or fight, to negotiate or concede, to challenge or to submit. But this happens as a REFLECTION, as a reaction, as a feedback loop to you initiating and taking charge, as opposed to you trying to have them lead somewhere so you can follow You, take charge. You, find what works for you. Then you let others come along with you or not. Their 100% free choic

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2:37 PM

How many people love the king How many women love the alpha How unique is that love How many people like the popular guy How unique is that liking ====== "love" Cheap like sex is cheap? Yes I think the issue here is again internal vs external Case point You thinking that the girl / other person is the source of love vs you being the source Same with validation On one hand you have the hierarchy - the people at the top get 'love' 'sex' whatever offered to them So that's cheap because it's abundant On the other hand (female side) emotional side, it's about circles, and who is the source If you're using the woman as the source of love then she becomes the one and the prize and your life depends on her, you're using her as an organ Take it out of the body and you die (except you dont, its all a game) But if you are self centered you're the origin of things not the consequence So you're the source of love Love is something you feel and you give, not something you take So how expensive and unique is something you own and have 100% of the time? Its like air Abundant, free, cheap Or, the poorer you are inside the more external validation / connection / love has value. And the more abundant you're inside the less value other stuff has At the same time, the more value you put on things the less contact you actually have with those things, because your experience is distorted by your need of them Eg, when you're really needy of someone, you actually dont have any contact with them. its all a fantasy on your head All projection When you are not trying to use others to fill in your internal needs / gaps then you can actually have a relationship with what is - which can be of the loving type Still cheap as fuck because your love is yours

=========== You were BG, so You made her the center, she has all the value and power She wants more or x, she can take her value away and force your hand because without her you are less If you are TG instead - without you she is less She has no power So all she can do when she wants "more" is to improve her offer Please you more, be better for you Opposite sides ========== (edited)

here is your deep lesson of the day. The problem is you want to self correct - to get her. So your attempt of TG is performance art for her. This doesnt work and its broken at the core. What you can do instead and it does work, is to self correct course in the NOW, and be TG now, and if you find yourself sliding into BG, correct course and go back in TG. And do this with the sole objective of being in TG more and make that your home, not because you are trying to impress a girl to steal validation. When a girl sees you in TG, she has no option other than to get aroused and try to fuck you, and it really doesnt matter if you were BG first, girls reframe constantly and act to what they feel in the NOW, so by you owning yourself, you own everything.

==================== PASSIVE AND ACTIVE Yes, passive and active This distinction has to be part of the write up Passive and Active Stop is on the passive side (should be obvious) there's no how to, just stop, dont resist, let be, let go, stay idle, do nothing, feel Healing / 4 are on the passive side Which is why you can't get shit when you try to do stuff All the doing is just evasion Because the answer is on the passive There's a skill involved, and it's the skill to do nothing That means you stop being reactive Your body / mind stops being a consequence of the stimuli This enables you to be fully present = this is what meditation is after You stop being a consequence Then enter phase 2 What do you want - what's your vector, what's your direction Not as a reaction / response of stimuli but something that comes from you It originates in you That's the active part So basically, you stop enacting as a response, and enact only as the origin "Mental point of origin" "unreactiveness" "self amusement mastery" PUA and self help circle around this idea all the time Passive = mindfulness Nonreactive

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Then on the active side - leadership, asertivity etc But still you can be fully healed and nonreactive and be BG Because BG / TG is about hierarchy and is not related to the emotional part or how your mind works You dont need to wake up and be fully present to be TG, in principle But waking up and owning your own mind and being fully present is needed so you are able to choose which frame you live in Whatever that frame is So, if you're in BG and have emotional attachments and baggage that keep you stuck and gravitating to BG, then you need the healing (process all your emotional garbage with passivity, get free of it) then all the skill of enacting your true direction WDYW -> which in your case makes you a lesser alpha already since you're a male And with that basic skill then you can choose TG as your preferred method So, let go or stop the BG, then grab TG and act

=========== So lets keep it simple: sex, attention, food, beach If this is what she excels at, then you ping this girl when you want sex, attention, food, beach - and never else Also she's good at threesomes, fucking girls and slapping you like a whore, so ping her when you want that too Being real Whatever her flavor, ping her when you want IT And not when you don't want it

=========== It doesnt matter how much I like her I only move forward when there's compliance to my lead I can be totally in love and infatuated and she's the one and a perfect 10 for me But she's not open to me? pass Interacting with her requires to beg? pass TG > any woman (edited)

============== this is not some theory shit You do it now or we'll postpone Feel your situation Look at where these feelings come from Look at you and the construct between you and the girl, the scenario It looks like a stable place with those characteristics There's a "place" that you can habitate Where she's the one, she's powerful, you're below, small, contained, begging It's like a house, and you can live there When you're there, you have these feelings, feels like being there And all your behaviors and intentions come from there, those feelings, etc Do. you. see. it. I asked you if you're ready, but you were still trying to get shit to get her Aka not looking at yourself So, once you see that place, now or in 50 years or never (fuck your retardation) then ASK yourself, with a FEELING, is this the place I want for me ===== IS THIS WHAT I WANT ===== The answer will be no Then This comes next ======= SAY NO ======== You say no to the frame itself

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And as it crumbles and you feel like dying, you feel it all and do nothing about it Maybe hug yourself and tell yourself that you love you But you let that shit dissolve as you let it go and relax And enter a void And while this shit is happening, you focus on the actual want See - that frame / house / construct was being used to fullfill a deep want That want is still valid - the construct / house / frame was not So, when you ask yourself WDYW You channel that deeper desire And that desire is what destroys the frame Because, YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE IN BG Being in BG is a TOOL Its not you, it's a dream And as the shit dissolves, keep focused on WDYW, and keep dettached from BG, and say NO if it comes back begging that you use it to live And eventually something opens up and it's like you're waking up from a dream And you see your TG path ===== This already happened when she broke up and you did muay thai But next day you were back sleeping It also happened when I gave you the TG line to neg her and get her back Then few hours after you were back sleeping You can do the shit yourself Wake yourself up Eventually Its not complex - language is useless What do you want - > lead there Do you want X? if yes say yes If not say no Its not complex at all, the problem is that you're sleeping Look at your own state? is that what you want? no? SAY NO Change it The girl is not your cure for your BG The girl is the anchor your BG is using to exist I give you TG shit to say, you use it as anchor for BG But then girl rejects BG of course

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BG cant win Let it go

================================= Spahbed: Im in BG, how do I get the girl? Me: Easy, quit the BG (loop) Spahbed: Ok I quit the BG for five seconds as you said, now Im in BG again can I get the girl please Me: The problem is not the girl but the BG, so quit the BG first Spahbed: You always say Im BG you forget that time when I was not Me: Man quit the BG now Spahbed: But how do I get the girl Me: The whole "getting the girl" is a manifestation of BG and also why you can't "get the girl", the girl naturally rejects the BG. Also, they role you give her doesn't match her, doesn't match reality, so even if you were able to get the girl, it wouldn't satisfy you, because the BG is offsynch with both the reality out there and your actual needs Spahbed: Ok so what's the line, you used a different line before and I gave you this one but you say it isnt good Me: Here's a TG line, say it to her, and realize why you would never have said that line because of the place it comes from. Also realize that line does the opposite of what you want to do - Im not begging to her, Im actually rejecting her. But that will make her open up because of where it comes from, TG Spahbed: Ok that line worked, so you're right she opened to TG and she's a filthy slut. Now what do I have to say to qualify to her so she takes me as BG? Me: Stop trying to be BG and stop making her your holy grial bro Spahbed: So what's the line ======= Send this man Me: I want to fuck you in the ass =======

====================================================== "There's a tg action and a way of having the girl be decent The act of me thinking that makes me go on the route for the specific girl So what's the alternative" k The alternative is focus on the TG, don't focus on the girl The salvation is in the TG, not on the girl She doesnt have what you're after You do There are at least two misconceptions here "Like, there's a tg action and a way of having the girl be decent" There's a TG action that will produce a tangible response in the girl, yes The TG action makes her feel there's a TG and she'll want it And as a response she'll open, want you, etc (edited)

12:52 PM

For a second She'll prepare mentally and emotionally to engage with that TG Then - what? you and her have to be doing their roles And she's not the leader so she's following you So "a TG action" will have an instant effect but it's not a lasting one The BG personality / role / inertia is what killed the relationship. You use "one TG action" she may / will like to come back and go engage with that TG, but if you actually do a BG relationship with her, then you get shit back and it degrades more, each time So that's one misconception It's not that a "TG action" will make her be decent Is that she would be decent with a TG The little TG action will have an instant little effect, but the actual fix is in the roles and the flow of the relationship, which is driven by your actual frame / wants / the role you see yourself in / and what role you want for her / and how and were are you leading it. If your base intent is to have her as a supply of care / love that you can be passive and naggy with, if she's your external source of validation and you want to give her all the power and relax and be taken care of, this desire is not TG, but BG, so you'll spike her with TG lines or actions but actually inviting her to play opposite roles, you'll be ejected Or worse, she will take all the power you offer her and use it to fuck you up Because in the mind of women being fucked up is what BGs deserve, they hate you for it Then the other misconception -

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Is that the TG action that makes her be decent has anything to do with her The TG action is not formed for her in specific, it's not about you want "with her" You dont look at the girl or situation and then ask your wants from these limits The TG wants originate on itself, they precede the girl The TG action is there before the girl is born When you look at the specific girl or situation, you see what's there, and check if anything there matches something you already want And if so, you offer that path to the person / lead there The what in specific, could be nothing, or could be a lot Then it's up to them to align or not So it's the opposite of what BG would do. The BG does this: look at the girl, people, situation, sets itself to GET THIS ONE or MAKE THIS WORK, then start molding, following, twisting and bending to change, or trying to control and twist and bend the object of desire to make it fit the BG needs if the target doesnt fullfill them fully So it's about milking and squeezing the source So that's the second misconception You can't use the TG to milk the source - milking the source is a BG desire and game Which is why my lines didnt come to you - I didnt formulate those desires or lines because of the girl. This is how I would treat anyone, any girl being a bitch She can take my judgement and go die She can also fix herself and follow me Her problem, not mine She's free But the BG here would try to grab her, control her, change her, make her fit somehow, because she's the only source and it must work That ==============

King Kman pinned a message to this channel. 12/27/2020 1:13 PM

1) Know what you want 3) Know what type response you want 4) Watch her react 5) Compare her response with your desired response 6) Reward good behavior / punish bad behavior You are the standard I can give examples for this - but at the base this is nonverbal knowledge This is like you had food in your mouth and you want instructions on how to shallow - at the end is "just do it" You already have the muscles for this You already screen people - this is how you make friends You've been doing this forever The issue is not that you dont know how to screen - the issue is that instead of screening you're trying to qualify to her, you're selling - you need to be the buyer Your time and energy and presence needs to have value, and you need to use judgement on where / how / with whom you invest yourself We're back to "frame" because this IS about frame ===========

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While the bottom guy just gets more bottom The whole thing is rigged so the guy who's not TG can't get any That doesnt happen in 'friendship' but does happen when you meet men way above in hierarchy - the instinct pings you to get soften and pleasant And compliant That the same thing women experience when in contact with the big bad wolf mofo So all this is what Im circling when I tell guys to do the real work Cant fake it At the base, the issue is that the sexual desire, framed in BG, will make you do ALL THE WRONG THINGS And it is like that by design You're not supposed to bang that girl You're supposed to become "the man" or go to your corner and die And the women are actively separating the men from the wannnabes Judging on status, looks, and behavior These are my thoughts ;P The process of "screening" is there though, you do it with friends, it isn't a mystery The block preventing guys to screen women is the scarcity / bg / yes-man frame Putting the women above, pre-qualified, as their judge Which guarantees the dance will break ================

You want a strong father archetype - this is good Your father-relationship is the relationship to your own greatness But like with the mother situation it gets performed by a person And people suck

So you have to do self fathering here and fire the guy (step 8 by the way) "I want a strong dad rolemodel / I want him to put her at her place" You want a father role model that doesnt fear conflict - see where that's going A father that doesnt fear conflict and can set order ========== So the exercise for 8 here

How would you feel, how would you act if you had had that example and role model and teaching?
Do that now, be that person now

======== It may mean you put the bitch on her place yourself, and then your dad when he defends her

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12:50 PM

The want is framed as BG So the "want" is BG now Example Your want originally is to have women like you To have women and sex and have a sexual life and put your sexuality in practice And be free and unhibited But then You take that general want and need, and put that in some roleplay IF the roleplay is that you're a broken man and passenger and need a leader And you wanna be nagger passive and have someone who treats you bad, treat you properly Or, mom roleplay Then, enter whoever fucker who can play that game for their own motives? it's always going to be a fucker This time, Val So now your "want" is to go play that game with Val, and Val becomes a fixed point Why fixed - because its necessariy for your roleplay And your roleplay contains a real want "sex / feminine companionship" So as long as you remain attached to your frame roleplay, female sex companionship will always be a taker abuser who puts you down And that allows you to be a negative nagging passive passenger asking her to do shit properly and she abusing while you try to control her Forever Val or the next one But, most girls will reject that roleplay So your rejection rate will be 99% Which makes the winner 1% even more special

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If you would instead actually operate on the base need "I want sex / female companionship" while rejecting what you dont want "I dont want to have an abuser leader and I dont want to be a nagging passenger" then you'd initiate other types of roleplays Which would make you compatible with the other 99% of girls you find attractive and they'd be YES all the fucking time Which decreases the value of Val to her proper range Which also fixes your behavior with her / and fixes her behavior with you for the most part. She'll just go abuse someone else and be nice to you But this all starts in you and which frame you adapt and the roles you take for yourself So that's the thing to look at And work on Val would be a complete shit partner to anyone though, she will always be shit and a nasty partner She's with you right now because she's allowed to be that person

And that wont change with conditionals and rules Conditionals and rules are female strategy and are weak, specially weaker when tried to apply them to women, because women dont understand principles or rules or fairness, they have feelz So the reason why they behave better with TGs is not because they understand the rules and conditions of the TGs But because they FEEL like complying They FEEL like being subservient

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10:00 AM

ON JUDGEMENT in females there's no path to redemption, there's no hero path, no A->B The female hierarchy is like the judging panel in survivor If someone is voted badly, gets expelled Someone receives bad judgement, gets pushed out of the tribe This is also why women go ON / OFF with you One day you're in, the other day you are OUT Its tribal So the most important resource there is judgement management Avoiding bad judgement is the most important Its life and death So the woman has to always be seen in a good light, manage her perceptions etc There's no win in accepting blame or taking responsibility Because that just results in expulsion There's no value to truth Because if unfavorable it results in expulsion Etc In MEN the rules are different Accurate judgement, positive and negative, is the value A complete negative judgement has value Why Because men care about winning

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The tribe of men is vertical and based on competence To be competent you need to outperform To outperform, you need to be more fit to the environment So you need to read the situations better, and act better, with more skill When you see two boxers fighting Your capacity to read the fight Tells you who is the best boxer Who is the worse And why The accuracy of that read / judgement is important Because it shows the path for the winner, for how to repeat that victory And shows a path for the loser, on what to fix so he can perform better next time Men are vectors, men are not stationary The boxer that lost - maybe he didnt hit hard enough. Maybe he exposes his chin. maybe his legs are not that fast Maybe doesnt have the right diet So, if the boxer that lost can get that read - and understand why he loses He can - hit harder, so for that has to train more, or improve technique, or aim better, or aim at different spots Stop exposing his chin or covering better Train his legs, maybe mix in other techniques Improve his diet to have more explosive energy Etc So he can get the read / judgement / discern / assess the situation, and change, improve, go from A to B, fight again In other words - in MEN judgement is EVERYTHING

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========== JUDGEMENT IS EVERYTHING ========== A very negative judgement just tells you that there's a lot of room to improve And all men know this In women, a negative judgement means you're out of the tribe and will die In men, a negative judgement means something has to change, and who will change it? the men too Then for positive s- In women, a positive judgement means that the woman deserves something, is worthy of something, is special In men, a positive judment means the man is doing SOMETHING GOOD, and is a man other men can learn from, is a man worth following Complete different realities ========== Also note how women dont understand men's A->B path, or how losers can become winners, or how winners weren't "always winners" etc, women dont understand that motion If they see you as a loser today you were always a loser and forever a loser If they see you as a winner today you were always and will always be one And this perception will change every time they see you

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So you asked, "valuable to whom" To YOU You can't change if you defend against the judgement And partially what Im trying to teach you here, is to judge better To screen = to judge What do you want vs what you dont want = to judge To lead = to judge You need to assess all the time what is, and assign positive and negative value in order to move forward And you're not a static thing like a woman, you're a vector with a trajectory Yes This is why also I gave a "judgement exercise" And this is also why women are so attracted to men's judgement For a woman, the male capacity to deal with judgement, pass it, and move things from A to B is magic Its a magic they have no desire or inclination to learn, but they follow and submit to it In short -

10:02 AM

Just like narcs and women You can't learn or change if you resist judgement Cant take ownership if you shift blame So by defending against stuff, you keep yourself floating in the same place Every time you defend against the read - that's like the losing boxer

I didnt hit hard? I DID hit hard!
I hit harder seven matches ago and you gave me credit!
My legs are not fast? you always say my legs are not fast enough nothing pleases you!
Ok I'll take ballerina lessons if that's WHAT YOU WANT!
My diet is not good? my diet is fine thank you. Ok my diet may not be fine but Im SAD! IM SAD BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT ME! I NEED CHOCOLATE?

====== Do you see the fucking narc / woman above X-) Do you understand how that boxer will never win

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============ But this is also why men go on the lead and women on the follower by nature The man is active judgement The woman resists direct judgement The woman cant lead When the woman is in power, all she can do is say what is good or bad to her - its reduced to flavor There's no A-> B arc She can't make something that is bad, good She cant fix it She cant direct it She can just judge while not changing And she avoids to be judged negatively so she doesnt want the responsibility to make the call She needs the tribe approval for that So she's out of blame As man - you have the power to make something bad, good This is man's god like power The power to make something Bad Good Bad -> Action -> Good Women dont have the capacity to do this at all This what women can do Women have the capacity to make the Bad feel Good

Bad -> Comfort -> Good Men change realities Women cushion from realities So for example if you go to a place and you find it "BORING", cool. So what would be FUN? YOU make it happen And as YOU make it happen, a tribe will be spawned around you and crown you king

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BY RAJA Now when it comes to you. How does one fix his frame ? By understanding on the very basic level what exactly FRAME IS. Then why people adopt one over other. Then taking that refrence and checking with yourself how your life has been so far. How have you approached things in life ,your wants , desires. That way you will actually understand how you grow or shrink, why you seek validation, approval, don't lead / passenger. Can't pass judgement. Once you understand it, then come the part of letting go the old frame and start operating under a new frame. So whenever or whatever Yohami tells you ...you get it right away. You yourself will start doing micro changes in how you speak, talk, walk , see , sit ,think and approach. Whenever there is dissonance you pause , deal with the block and lead ahead again.

===================== "My obsession with pussy is wrong" That should produce that pause and a question should come up - 'then what'? The obsession with pussy is wrong because you're asking pussy to give you something it doesnt have - the validation of you as a man The validation of you as a man can only be acquired by you performing as a man, from your power position where you can execute your judgement and transfrom the bad in good, and go in your own A->B hero path The sense of power and masculinity and ownership and 'safety' etc is all in that path And when you're in that path - then women do their role and surround that guy with infinite comfort, they tribe around him But that guy is not there because of the women - the women are there because of him And if the women would leave - he'd still be standing there. But the women will never leave X-) So the thing has to switch from "I need women to be a man" to "Im a man, I like women" Your own lego piece has to rotae So the puzzle world around you can fit When you ask external validation, you're asking for external positive judgement You are asking pussy, or something external, to give you positive judgement, to make you feel that you're good Again: Asking validation from women, equals asking for positive judgement that you're good, you're valid, you're a man. Equals seeking your identity from women But as a MAN that's not your power Your power, is that you do real judgement, and you can turn A into B, you can make bad, good So if you're bad, you have the power to turn bad, into good, and turn whatever your state and situation into one that favors you And because that's your power, you dont need an external judge to tell you anything You yourself, are the judge, you're the source You're the masculine - you change reality, you bend reality, you change the world By asking validation from women - what you're doing equals to

11:00 AM

==== Me: I am not a man, tell me I am a man ==== And you can FEEL this shit as you do it You can FEEL how it makes you weaker as you do it Even if for whatever reason you get the validation, you FEEL WEAK Its fleeting, it's debilitating So the way this is supposed to work, again Is you operate as a man - and then the world gives you a feedback loop that is feminine - it bends to you, it follows your lead You operate as a TG, and then the world gives you a BG back You lead, the world follows You act, the world reacts You can only fit with the feminine and experience the sweet comfort you're seeking, when you're THE MAN first You have to lead, so it can give you anything As a man you can never ask for external validation. Treat the world as the feedback of your internal validation instead And from there you evaluate / judge what has to change, what's favorable, what's not, who's a friend, who's a foe, who aligns, who opposes you / what's the path / how to win

================= Your value is not 100, or 200/100 or 6000/100 for a single reason The reason is your mother didn't tend to your needs when you were small That's it There's no secondary reason The kind of value you crave is unconditional You want to feel that your needs matter, your wants matter, your pains matter, and that your existence is accepted You want to be received, unconditionally Unless that's not satisfied, your value doesnt feel 100 If you have to work, negotiate, fight your way, then your value doesnt feel 100 This above also means that all you attempt to do in the world, with work, external value, or getting value from women is self defeating The mere reality that you have to DO ANYTHING to get it, means you dont deserve it So your value goes down to 0 again And I roleplay that with girls ie her being my mother? The correct wording is, your relationship with the mother archetype is broken, and you're trying to get that need covered somewhere else, where it doesnt belong

1:30 PM

The relationship with the mother archetype is: I have value, just because I exist. When Im hungry Im fed. When Im cold I get dressed. When there's danger Im protected. When Im sad Im hugged. When I have problems Im listened to. I dont do anything special or have to fight for this attention, it is given to me because there's nothing more important than my existence. There's a benign, infinitely attentive force around me that loves me and I love it back, it nurtures me and protects me and feeds me and makes me feel loved and at home, and Im always safe with it. This is where your "Self value" comes from And its the only source of it Nothing you do in the world or with women or in career or anywhere can give you the above stuff All the external world is the territory of father At least for you because you're a man - women can give the above to each other, and to children. They can't give it to men Because they have their own relationship with the masculine that doesnt fit this Alone, right now, where you are, your self love and value should be 200/100 and that never change

=========== ===== Look at what hurts you inside, and what makes you happy inside. Or, look at the GOOD and the BAD (judgement, lol) ===== Look at yourself, and judge = separate the good from the bad Name it What hurts you inside, what makes you happy inside And you dont need to do anything special - you're doing this nonstop 24 hours a day My request is you say it out loud Because this opens the path to having clear WANTS ==========

==================== From Ner We're not in school anymore, you cannot just memorize theory and get A+. You need to create your own understanding of Yohami's TG theory. Because in order to understand his theory by just reading you have to be HIM. With his experience, POV etc. So creating your understanding is a must and its on you. Yohami can try 100 more times to find keys to your brain by using 100 more different angles but he may not find it. How to do that? Find holes in your theory, what you dont understand and ban all jergons for the time being. Plus ban all short synonyms for jergons. For example, shot synonym of screening is buying etc. Instead describe fully this jergons, VISUALIZE whats happening. For example: You reading theory and there says "dont move ahead of the pace". What does it mean? How can I describe it, visualize it? Lets say I took to my flat homeless cat. Idk what happens to him before, maybe he was bullied by people maybe not. So you want to create relationship with him and youre just start to play with him straight away. Ofcourse he would scratch you. This is moving ahead of the pace because he isnt ready. How to do this properly? You begin to feed him a little, he wont start to eat if you're in the same room. Then after some time he's still suspect of you but this time begin to eat when youre in the room. Then after some time you can pet him etc. This is moving with the cat

"Dance vs solo dance" - when you're boxing you CANNOT ignore what your opponent doing. When 2 boxers play - they're dancing. Their next move depends on what other boxer does (context ha). Shadow boxing is solo dance. If you would do shadow boxing in the match you've get knocked out fast. Express theory in your own words without using jergons. Instead describe, visualize jergons. This way you would have deeper understanding.

============ TLDR The experiences you're having are classic patterns for BG. The emotional reasons of why it's happening are all coming from BG. The justifications are BG and gay. The resistance to hear advice is narcissistic. Both the traces of narcissism and the emotional state latent behind are about early childhood issues. These need to be addressed so the emotional pull isn't there, but then also the frame has to change TLDR 2: You're being a pussy, so the world treats you like one. More evident with girls because they have the clear binary switch to screen men, but this is altering everything in your life So, you're being a pussy, need to become a different man If you're willing and wanting to be come a different man I can help / we can help. The process is easier than whatever you're trying to do, but it requires that you stop trying to be who you're being currently, and defending that thing like your life depends on it. TLDR 3 Be a fucking man This is a simple concept and process. We talk many angles around it but it reduces to "Be Alpha" with uppercase. All the fucking whining and excuses are not alpha so they have to go, and be replaced with alpha type behaviors, always. TLDR 4 Stop being a woman =============

============================ Original statement: "I eat pizza all day and Im getting disgustingly fat" Turn it into a do not want: "I dont want to be fat, I dont want to eat pizza all day" Process it If you can feel that rejection, that NO That is the first step to change. It brings on the conflict, and you can feel the trade off What we did is take the first line and expresses in a way that now creates movement "I eat pizza all day and Im getting disgustingly fat" is static and victim The judgement is there But its stuck In checkmate "I dont want to get fat, I dont want to eat pizza all day" - turns the judgement into a dont want And that is actionable The fattie will get the cravings for pizza and get mad (edited)

6:07 AM

I dont want to get fat! Fuck you pizza! craving goes away Now turn it into a want: "I want to eat healthy and be thin" See, pizza wanst even on the line It dissapeared That easy, walls vanish for tg Now make it a super want Thin is too low Supercharge it "I want to be in the best shape of my life and eat healthy and clean" Best shape like who Give it a name No abstracts "I wanna be fucking ripped like usain bolt, want to eat keto and want to do fasting and want to do x and x" Compare this vs the do not want Who wins? this is TG If the two statements were two different guys And theres other people in the room (edited)

6:07 AM

Who will other people gravitate towards? Feel it The don't want is ok but it's reactive and fighting, the do want is like pure energy, positive, it has direction Now in a corner, theres a third guy "I eat pizza all day and Im getting disgustingly fat" Loser, negs himself, does stuff he doesn't want to The funny shit bro, we are the 3 guys. We just changed positioning vs one single issue 3rd guy is victim passenger passive Dontwant guy is reactionary, probably bg Not necessarily but reacts and fights wall Want guy is tg leader Theres not even a wall, just growth We are all Its choice So first lesson there - frame is choice The price to pay when moving from one to another is some internal resistance "Oh but I want pizza" But look, the desire for pizza was replaced with something better than pizza on the want guy Also, he can have pizza When it fits the macros ===============================

Now "I go below women and supress my wants" Do the not want Then the want Do not want: "I do not want to be below women, I do not want to supress myself" Or a line I wrote before "Nobody is my superior" Feel those There is anger and rebellion but thats ok its a step Getting out of shit, the do not want is easier The pain triggers it

6:18 AM

It just requires that you verbalize the judgement into a do not want Instead of a static form Now what is the want? If nobody is your superior, and you dont go below What is the positive form If someone is never below Who is that "A leader" Yep, what else "Ceo, president etc" Cool

6:18 AM

Make it a line, supercharge it "I want to be the biggest, boss, leader like trump and express myself fully" Good. Get specific, what does "express myself fully" look like "I want to be the fucking boss, a king, a ceo, like trump. Unapologetic, direct, definitive judgement, outspoken, loud, with energy" Good. "women" also disappeared from the want. The problem wasnt in the women, the problem was in your positioning below them. When you tackle the issue and flip it, it disengages from the obstacle that you think is blocking you, and it turns into a non-issue. The guy who focuses on being a X type of person, will continue to be that person with everyone, also with women Do you see how the guy focusing on this want Would have zero problems with women X-) If you focus on the want side, energy is created On the do not want side, conflict is created And the original line (static judgement) is like a black hole Lets turn black holes into either wants or do not wants (edited)

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" Do I have a buried path to alpha deep inside of me?" A buried path to alpha is too romantic - its already being framed A common answer would be - every being has all the frames, and you already use them all to some degree, just that you use some more, and / or you can be stuck in one, grabbing into it for survival The real answer though and the reason for the above Is Frames are impersonal, and are also completely trivial The alpha thing is not buried deep in you Its instead always available in the now And theres nothing special about it The story that you build on how it is a path and how deep it is - is your identity while in a frame, looking outside, and wondering how to be that other thing while remaining as you are now So there artificially you make it into a path (so its not in the now) and deep under layers (so its not here)

8:57 AM

And with romantic bs like that what just happened is that you injected walls and obstacles to prevent yourself from changing, now So instead of being alpha now - you formulate this idea where you are omega, now, and this omega will go on a quest and do things and endure, as omega, and grow, as omega, and learn, as omega, then somehow magically and gradually eventually the omega turns alpha But this will never happen, unless it happens now So, now, let go of the frame Now Go back to frameless void And come back, now, as alpha Now Its in your reach, now Theres no path to alpha - from omega Frames are static, they dont morph into one another You with your being, shapeless, you go into a frame and adopt it The frame itself is a recipient and it never changes Alpha beta omega, TG BG are immutable slots frozen in time Its not that you have a path to alpha Its that you can choose Your being right now is choice Either choices being made now, or inertia from previous choices First step is, stop the motion and dislocate from your self identification with it, relax and let it dissolve, enter frame death Then, move forward into the upper frame

================ Btw when you mention the times you were TG etc, I think you mean "I felt that I had value" "I felt I had more value than the other people" Or something A BG can have value too TG / BG is not who has the most value TG / BG = hierarchy Value is a correlation but it's not it Example, a child can have value for the mom, she may even sacrifice her life for the child The child is still the mother's BG Doesnt mean the child is in TG frame A BG can feel they have more value than the boss The boss can feel they have less value than the employess Hierarchy is still there Even the more valuable employee will be expecting that the boss mans up and assumes the TG role so things can work So they may hate the boss and see him as valueless - but still wish the guy would go above etc In other words, your frame BG / TG is not about how other people see you, and not about the value they give you, and not about the value you give them Its explicitly about which frame you operate from and what your patterns of behavior are Eg do you act like a boss or employee, leader or follower, client or service provider, etc Which is always one or the other, regardless of if you're alone or with people Its a binary switch, and normally it's all over the place switching back and forth on every context of your life

8:32 AM

=== I get that we talk about value a lot but without understanding that frame comes first, this happens: BG frame needs the value coming from the outside, since it needs a stronger external source of authority (a TG) that BG can follow So if you tell someone to increase their value, the BG will interpret that as "have the external TG see me as more value"

8:32 AM

Giving more fuel to the BG pattern

8:33 AM

Probably starting some forceful frame clash with the external TG, girl, boss, whatever, so they recognize your value

8:33 AM

Like the value is something that has to be negotiated before you can have any

8:33 AM

It must be taken from the hands of that greedy TG

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8:34 AM

I cant emphasize enough how important it is to first stop the BG patterns and get out of the hierarchy role that you give to yourself we're you're below things before attempting the rest of this (edited)

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8:15 AM

......... Women want stuff The way they go about getting that stuff is from BG with BG games Some of that repertoire of games is power play They do it with each other, do it with men The powerplay is a form of "Im more on the center of the tribe than you" "Im more valuable than you, Im up here, you're down there" The other form of this is "I deserve" Anytime the woman wants "more" which is always, one of these powerplays may be used The other thing they do to get more is trying to be liked more To be liked, they do the beta / BG thing of catering and molding. They play passive and victim so nothing is their doing, nothing is their fault, nothing that can be used to judge them negatively is exposed -> "hey Im good, I deserve" Servicing But its never one or the other - all these are valid strategies and there all the time ------ (edited)

8:15 AM

The girl does want / need security and resources They get the security and resources from being as close as possible to the very center of the hierarchy / circular tribe Who's there? the alpha guys, at the very center Around the periphery of that circle, there's the beta guys The beta guys talk to her and say "hey like my circle, I can let you in, look at the security resources I can provide because I belong to this thing" The girl replies to that with "I deserve, I mold to you a bit, Im better than you, gimme" The guy hears that from beta frame and hears "transaction approved, provide resources and she's yours" But the girl is just moving in a vector from the outside, to the inner of the circle, so she moves past the beta "I deserve more, Im better than you" Eventually she gets to the Alpha The alpha tells her "who the fuck are you, pussy or don't waste my time" Girl replies to that by proving how much she deserves to be there by molding and giving pussy and any other demands Eventually, if, IF they make a couple, then by that fact she belongs to the center of that tribe So then the repertoire increases, she does "I want more, I deserve more, Im better than you" Look man How the fuck is the girl supposed to know when she actually hit the max value of the tribe This all happens through human interaction and perception When the alpha hears "Im more than you" he'll reply "lol bitch" When the beta hears the same phrase, he'll reply "yes you are my darling, how can I service you better, Im so lucky" The alpha signals she's on the center The beta signals she's still has some way to go ---

8:15 AM

The girl never wants the alpha to respond or behave or act like the beta Its not about the resources If she hits what she thinks is the pinnacle of value on the tribe, and is there hanging out with what she thinks is the king and alpha, and then the guy is in beta frame, she's disappointed, and makes plans to leave "women want a james bond to be gandhi" No Women try to get shit from people, and men, by demanding that others are gandhi They don't do this exclusively with men Its how they get shit Women are also attracted to alpha guys / kings / powerful men How do they try to extract more from them? by asking "why are you not a bit more like gandhi uh?" Does she want an actual ganghi? no, she would not be there, or she would have stayed with one of the betas from the periphery Or, she wants to have it all, from the top source If the top source would actually "give her all" then she would be the source and not him Who gives it all for no reason? the beta What does the alpha give? whatever makes sense, and remains the alpha Who decides what's good enough or the rules of the agreement? the alpha While the beta gives all that power to her thinking that she'll make it work And by doing so signaling that he's disposable and she can do better What is blue pill beta love fantasy? the idea that the beta can give it all and get love in return Why is that desire there? why does beta want to give it all and get love in return? that instinct is there to facilitate the mating dance as a whole The beta has that instinct to service and idolize women, for the same reason the beta wants to submit to alpha, and wants to avoid being on the lead and wants safety and lack of danger Its the same role Same frame

8:15 AM

Also, in the structure of men, the beta is useful, and if the beta lands a good alpha, they can make a long term relationship that is beneficial, eg. a team And the team can win over other teams But still, that beta won ever get a woman who actually wants to be with him A woman at best will 'settle' if the balance of value and other traits works work her, so she settles there and occasionally flirts with the alpha waiting for the time to move up, which may never happen but a girl can dream Look such a beauty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltVYhroHgM4 YouTube Cornell Lab Bird Cams Intense Practicing on Lance-tailed Manakin Display Perch – May 15, ... Some species do mating courtship on pairs. The alpha bird and the beta bird prepare a dance, then display it to a female She's impressed and bangs the alpha Eventually if the alpha dies, the beta turns into alpha and seeks a new beta to make a dancing pair Why does the beta do this? well he's got to learn the moves from someone right, if he wants to be the alpha some day But while in beta frame, he doesnt want to "be the alpha" he's aiming for crumbs Only the death of the alpha and facing the horror makes him flip the switch "Im the alpha now" In the meantime, dont know what he's thinking regarding to the female birds. Probably thinks "well one of them will pick me! she'll see how nice I am, yeah my friend alpha bird gets all the girls but it should be my turn someday" He'll get some half assed chick someday who will treat him like shit and get all of his food while she waits for alpha chad bird to pay attention to her. She'll do the nest and occupy beta birds resources, but she will not choose HIM Is this shit clear enough by now? ==========

Cornell Lab Bird Cams

Intense Practicing on Lance-tailed Manakin Display Perch – May 15, ...

8:16 AM

Listen to the brutal take: Why is that desire there? why does beta want to give it all and get love in return? that instinct is there to facilitate the mating dance as a whole The beta instinct of giving it all to the woman, is there to facilitate the woman's survival in their quest for Alpha You wanna give it all to women, because nature wants those women to survive long enough so they can mate with someone else You think the payoff of giving it all is "eternal love", because why else would you be so stupid You need a big carrot to be that fucking stupid Some species take this to an extreme and the beta male becomes the food for the female In human beta world it takes the shape of "I've tried this beta thing all my life, it never works but maybe I just need to be more beta, more gandhi, at least that's what they keep telling me, to be more like gandhi! fuck I just need more resources so I can give more!" But what is actually going on is there on plain sight if you stop your movement and look =========

8:16 AM

Woman finds man who is displaying high status / power attributes. Guy has a lamborgini and a big bachelor pad and is good with people and has plenty of women Woman finds away into that tribe by becoming one of the women he bangs, then wants more. Wants the bachelor pad to be sold and turned into a homely place, wants lamborgini sold and turned into family band. Want other women's access cut off. Wants male friends to disappear, wants more - wants to consume it all If the male is in beta frame he thinks "oh hey I dont care about those things, she's got more value, I just need to give more to keep her" If the male is in alpha frame he thinks "what we need is security for the kids (if we'll have them), so I'll do this and this and that" the woman may get some of what she wants, but she finds a wall to anything that is destructive for the alpha's path Any of those walls of course she'll find "unfair" because "she deserves" But at the same time the alpha frame where those boundaries come from is what she finds attractive, so she remains there on the outside trying to get in "but I just want more baby don't you understand, you never give me more" "why why you're not a bit more like gandhi" and that goes with the ups and downs of the power strategies, from pleasing servant to upping up, from service to acting up, etc, depending on the character of the woman, but it's never a stable situation, the vector of the woman wanting more never stops If it WOULD stop, then that means she would not longer be attracted by alpha Or men ========

8:16 AM

TLDR woman finds James Bond attractive and wishes he would give her forever commitment and resources and to turn all of his James Bondness into something that is beneficial to only her Wishes James Bond would be a sacrificial lamb that she could consume totally If James Bond is actually a BG beta, then he proceeds to do just that and have her consume him, because from that frame this looks like it'll have a payoff of happiness and stable eternal love But in the process he gives away James Bond and turns into Gandhi, gets eaten and discarded And if James Bond is actually James Bond, he'll continue to be James Bond and keep his passenger female happy as long as she doesnt interfere with his major scheme of things He may be with her only or whatever other arrangements, but she's never really more than "one of the women" She's always in a position where she has to prove her worth, she's never "the one" Which matches the girls beta / BG frame So any idea of stability happens through those frames, guy in TG, girl in BG Guy going in BG beta below the girl only guarantees bullshit =========== TLDR2 Beta blue pill love is fiction TLDR3 Beta blue pill love is how women actually love TLDR4 Beta is women Dont be a woman if you wanna be a man

8:42 AM

You're asking the laws of the universe and the whole nature of women to change to acomodate you This is the same as a fat woman demanding that men find her attractive The 'you' that you want the universe to nurture is actually weak and wrong and has to die, so in a way this is mother nature letting you die to make room for more fit men But you'll stop dying when you stop trying to be weak The thing that keeps you attached to the wrong frame, is choice "oh but is it too much to ask to be loved here?" YES This is a rigged cycle It only stops when you stop

8:42 AM

You can never do things that put you in TG, the reality around you cant ever put you in TG, because nature or external actors or factions deciding your frame, belongs in BG, its part of the BG reality - it means being determined by external, being the effect, consequence, victim, passenger, passive, etc of an external direct, bold, active force And the whole fucking idea is to switch places and you being the direct, bold, active, assertive, dominant, authority force, then automagically the reality sorts itself out and becomes your consequence, effect, submissive, passenger, etc Its switching seats

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2:23 PM

You can stop deciding to be the effect or consequence of stuff You can decide to be X and that X can be whatever you want You decide what that X is by contrasting your current self against your potential The process of identifying your X shape potential form doesnt require that first you isolate the reason of why you're not there yet But the reason will be revealed as you start transforming because it will be a resistance point trying to pull you back, then as you release it, it self reveals completely, while at the same time it loses its power Or The desire to first stall and look for the causes that keep you away from X is yet another loop / intent to not change, it's an intrinsic desire to preserve the status quo and a delay / self protection / survival tactic. Who wants to survive? the state of you who is not X and doesn't want to disappear, but in the process it's also the desire to not be X That's the core of the WDYW that needs to be released Go back into the root at find the X max potential and pursue it That instead of trying to fix the current N state which is not X, stop trying to not be X, embrace X Once you embrace X, the same type of self preserving mechanisms (mother loops) will be at the service of the new X shape and defending it / trying to keep it alive The self protecting mechanisms / mother loops / survival instincts need to be put on the service of the father / X shape / max potential version of you As opposed of their current loops which go in different directions "good marriage" of forces inside of you How do you align them - by first picking the X, then moving there, in the process letting go of the N shape Its a simple unison process

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4:25 PM

The person becomes less shy by not acting shy and doing the stuff that an extroverted would Until it's natural In my case, when transitioning from Omega to Beta - I took a teaching job and had to talk to a whole classroom of adults 8 hours a day for 6 months When going from beta to player, I went out to clubs twice a week, played with the band at bars once a week, hosted at least one party a week Plus the acting classes and a bunch of other stuff Like picking a 'rockstar type' wardrobe that was uncomfortable, and slept and walked at home and went to buy groceries etc with it until it was normal And ended all of my friendships and relationships that were in Beta frame And doing "Game" with everyone until I was not longer thinking that I had to do anything special at clubs / bars / or with girls I took note of how a player / womanizer would act in contrast to my beta self and I did nothing but that even though it was all alien To make any of this work fast the purpose has to be to change your persona, so then you're naturally going to be living in a world / with the type of results that that type of persona has As opposed to whatever "Im fine the way I am just let me know what small change I have to make with girls in specific" "Im fine fine fine but how do I change this thing with my wife or girlfriend" "I don't want to be the type of man that women are intrinsically attracted to, tell me how to get the specific girl with a specific body type at the park, how to avoid rejection?

========= The perfect antiopener Me: I find your way of walking exquisite are you from paris? I can imagine in your room playing the princess and singing karaoke, no? russian then, no? muslim, yes I knew it, well I was busy doing my own stuff but then I saw a woman of your magnitude and thought that I would be kicking myself in the ass repeatedly if I didn't summon the courage and forced myself to say hi, I thought well it's one in a million chance but you're worthy, so what's your name? oh don't tell me, maria, no? laura, christine, oh let's not waste time on names time is precious, how about you and I arrange for a date on tuesday 12th two weeks from now and you give me your phone number, but hey this is a MAN to WOMAN date let's stop the games, I know your type and you must know Im not a man like the ones who've broken your heart in the past, Im a true gentleman, so we can skip the charades and you let me know when you want this to happen, also if you don't reject me by the time we cross that post I'll be forced to try to kiss you, you've been warned, I may even take my dick out so how are YOU going to handle that, ms. tiger ====== 10/10

======================== In life Im always dominant, an authority, the cause, driver, I see opportunities and I take them and win, Im always in growth mode, Im the alpha, the boss, the ruler, Im magnetic - I am NEVER a passenger, victim, effect of something, or under the authority of someone else

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11:55 PM

I keep repeating the same bro You:" So kill my emotional need IE just go out and not give a fuck however I'm perceived IE loser or the king" Me: NO "not give a fuck however Im perceived / negative or positive!" That STILL is focusing on the judgement that will come Just that now you imagine not caring KILL your need or permission and approval Its not "kill the caring about other people's judgement" Its KILL YOUR OWN NEED You have the perception of other people at the base so you build your persona on top of it So if they think you're a king you can build the king and if they perceive you as a loser you're fucked So KILL YOUR NEED OF PERMISSION KILL YOUR NEED O VALIDATION Then BE A FUCKING KING You dont need their permission or approval to do so And if you're a king then everyone will see you as a king And if they dont, then they are, duh, wrong Their fucking problem Whatever other people's judgement is, is their fucking problem ======== It's not "I dont care if they judge me as king or loser!!! lalala " It's I AM A KING You judge me as a king - you live in the real world You judge me as a loser, you're wrong / confused / weird / projecting But I dont require that you first judge me to then be able to be I was king before you were born and will continue to be king after you're dead (edited)

I prefer Emperor. All these women thinking they're queens...

============ About people coming to me when they are having women trouble only This bullshit is like you're in a martial arts stuff You dont feel like training so you jut go fight with people Eventually you're in fights and you start losing Then you call the trainer The trainer checks your moves and forms and starts telling you how to raise your guard, how to punch properly, and telling you to read the opponents moves, and how to use your energy to do devastating blows Then you whine that you dont like receiving the feedback and that this is why you go on autopilot. "at least when Im on autopilot I just fight and dont have this overwhelming feeling that Im a bad fighter" Fucking lol, then go fucking lose against people Go ahead =============== "ugh but you always tell me that my form is bad and my punches lack impact and that Im letting people kick me in the stomach ugh now Im suuuper self conscious and fighting worse!!! it's your fault!!" Fuck you with a porcupine I can tell you how to win but you have to put the time OUT OF THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE FIGHT YOURE ALREADY LOSING and TRAIN TO CHANGE When you're on the ring with someone that's not the time to start doing burpees and eating protein and doing 500 repetitions of a punch until it's a proper punch CHANGE so the next time you're in a fight you're a NEW MAN WITH POWER When the fuck are you going to make a commitment to actually do the shit Instead of "hey Im almost knocked down, how do I reverse this fight and win even though Im weak as fuck?" trainer??? trainer??? hey talk to me ok how do I win? what? that I need to be stronger? hit harder? oh fuck you trainer that hurts my feelings!!! oh??! thank you for punching that person for me! you knocked them out!!! it's so easy when you do it!!!! This is unfair and actually makes me feel worthless!!! What a fucking woman Stop being weak as fuck ============ (edited)

=========== Question: so there isnt a possibility of both people growing together? Women dont grow Women root Women gain depth Women expand Women network Women raise stuff Women nurture Women kill Women clean Women get wiser (or some do) Women blossom Women dont grow Women go through phases and chapters but all of them are iterations of what they already are But Women dont go from A to B and have no hero path nor can even understand a mans path For women things are at a static value / meaning and they always were that and will always be that Even if this can change by the minute So no she cant grow with you as you go from A to B or zero to hero And she will demand that you put all of that energy in her instead That this would cost you the victory - does not compute You are either a winner or a loser and always were and always would be So if they make you lose you were always a loser And if you win you were always a winner, even if they called you loser all the time up to that point So You want female companion, get that on the side of your path A-B is what matters. Thats also the only place where she'll be the happiest As the companion to a self centered powerful man The less powerful beta weak man in progress man could give her everything but it has no value (edited)

================== You're in scarcity and she's a delicious drop of water You project all of your needs onto her and because she's vague you finish closing the cirle and hold to that, push into it Male nature Which women use to their benefit No alpha would do this And she knows it That's the part you're blind to However This situation is similar to the difference between the burgers on ads vs macdonalds Your 'love' is idealization / ad, and the real woman is like macdonalds She knows this so she also knows that if you can get her the illusion will be destroyed and she'd lose whatever she's getting now So you'll hear shit like " she doesnt wanna ruin what you have which is so special " Means " I dont want that you find out you're dream-walking" "if you stop projecting your idealization on me and actually see me you'll notice Im not all that" All meanwhile The alphas go to macdonalds and eat the burgers While wondering wtf are you doing outside trying to seduce a poster

================= Guy: How do you know when saying a line fits the context? ME: How do you know when to tell a racy joke or not How do you know when to say good morning or good night Those questions are hard to impossible to answer - the answer is open your perception and move out of qualifying frame If you're saying stuff because you want to be liked or you want to qualify, then its always wrong somehow When you're driving the interaction with intent - then everything will be mostly 'calibrated' since you're on the driver seat eg. you do stuff with purpose because you are going somewhere That desire / flow calibrates the rest While the guy saying a racy joke 'because he thought he would be liked' gets his joke backfiring 99% of the time Or the guy saying good morning / night off sync will be a weirdo always Even if the same sequence of words would be 100% fine some other time How to know? wake up / open your perception / jump on lead role How to know? translates to "when is it good? The most safe way to make everything happen when it's good, it's to be the judge Otherwise you're asking "when is it good for her" and the answer is "never" since you're below, you'll lose anyway Get it? ===============

====================== Doing a 'click' from below means offering yourself open looking for a positive judgement Thats the positioning that produces all the mindfucks in Game You want to appear high value and alpha but the intent is the opposite Doing a 'click' from above means giving / asserting your positive or negative judgement The outcome is open ended by nature, but your intent is alignment And its an exploratory process Its not like you want judgement to be positive when looping back The judgement already happened, its yours The question is will the other person align Example, when you ask for the time - the judgement is that your need / want of the time is more important than whatever the other person was doing or thinking, and the expected outcome is that they align with this judgement and comply and give it to you If they do so its invisible, not a big deal. If they dont, they are "weird" Above and below feel completely different in every metric Flirting from below is a question about your own value: do you like me? Flirting from above is a statement that expects a specific outcome: you are sexually appealing, give me pussy The mindfuck for puas netas etc is remaining on the self-value model while trying to say the words and do the behaviours of the other one ----- Then women are wired to filter both, repel one guy and fuck the other

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9:03 AM

====== The rule is simple Compliance before logistics Never do CTA or logistics without compliance NEVER What is compliance? Compliance is the girl being receptive to whatever your intent is Lets say you're not in person but on a chat or sms This is cta without compliance ===== Me: Hey lets go get a coffee tomorrow at 3pm at the corner of 5th avenue in front of the staue ===== Can you feel it, I made it more exaggerated The more logistics, the heavier The natural gut response to this from anyone, women, men, etc, is "no" Feels rapey Write it down Leading / ctas / logistics before compliance = rapey Compare ========== Me: wanna have a coffee tomorrow? Girl: yeah

Me: How about 3pm at the corner of 5th avenue ==========

9:04 AM

========= Feel it If she had said no, you dont get to the logistics Another couple examples BAD ===== Me: Come play pingpong tomorrow ======= Feel it You will experience resistance rapey GOOD =========== Me: Hey do you play ping pong? Me: We're playing tomorrow, would be fun to see you there ==== Can you feel that you'd like to go even if you do not play ping pong (as long as you don't hate it) ======= Then there's a succint form that breaks rapport and is effective, when you generally have compliance You ask, then lead without waiting for an answer Works for you present example ========= Me: Are you busy now? let's go for a coffee ========= Me: Do you play ping pong? we're playing tomorrow would be fun to see you there ======= Me: when are you free? I'll take you out (famous Yohami line)

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How would the TG behave before the compliance and CTA? Example, he's strolling at a park, sees a cute girl and he wants to flirt.

Me: hi If that's too advanced, can do judgement, which is one of my exercises What's cute about this girl, name it

I'd say her face. I wouldn't really care about her dress or shoes or anything

k Me: hey Girl: ? Me: you've got a pretty face

==== Done The 'hey' is already a flirt In context, how she responds to my original ping determines what I want to do next But Im already going to say she's got a pretty face when I say hey So it's 'charged' already Me: hey (Im expecting the girl melts into me when I poke her) Girl: ? (girl wants to know why Im talking to her) In that moment, the girl expression - is she open, is she closed, is she curious, is she not, what But the "hey" is a request that she stops whatever she was doing and looks at me Its a command That she stops / looks at me is compliance already Then, lol, look at it Me telling her that she's got a pretty face is a reward For her compliance =======

9:04 AM

This process has nothing to do with what they teach you in the PUA camp The fuckers watched a few womanizers then tried to adapt the external cues to their own fucked up frame Also compare the two lines, since you were talking about "showing sexual intent" = A) Me: Are you single? B) Me: You've got a pretty face

= Which one is more sexual Feel I told you, TG is the easiest shit in the world Because it's not about the lines, it's the positioning Im not asking to be liked by the girl Im a boss and I do whatever the fuck I want and I expect compliance. I'll reward compliance and punish (push away) non compliance There are not many other rules other than that Even though I get into deeper shit often Its simple The TG passes judgement. That judgement is genuine and unfiltered and is not asking for anything. It's "value". For the receiver, it's "validation". When I flirt with the girl like that, it costs nothing, and it actually gives me some energy to interact like that because the TG loop is self sustained In comparison, when you ask "do you have a boyfriend" there's an element of that where you're asking the girl if she likes you, and asking if you've got a chance, and fearing rejection. The BG line is trying to "take" validation (judgement) from the girl, and clinging on her response Me: hey Girl: ? Me: you've got a pretty face

There are no fucks given about her validation. Im not asking her to like me. Im telling her I'd like to fuck her. But there's no question. There's not an attempt to get something back from her, the intent is to see if she'll fuck, if she's got the vagina to match my dick; whether or not she'll do her part of the dance and be a submissive happy girl BG to my TG

compliment being a reward.

Judgement is value

9:04 AM

============ If you want to do the actual exercise, start interactions by passing judgement I assumed this is what you were doing by looking for 'clicks' since its the second part of that exercise If you dont start with judgement, your looking for 'clicks' is needy You'll get walls on your face And as an exercise, do it with everyone 10 times a day or more All people all ages Me: Nice dog Me: Fuck man you're jacked Me: You've got a pretty face Me: That music sucks Me: Lol a metallica tshirt what is this 1999 Me: That's a super fucking dope car No hi No hey Just judgement This isnt rapport Watch people OPEN in response The 'role' to do that exercise is 'boss' Like the world is under your domain ========== Walk and see some workers doing some shit on the street - Me: That's a big fucking hole Worker: yeah haha (etc) Me: So what broke there? gas? Worker: blah bllah Me: I wonder why those things break. I think you guys just open holes for fun Worker: hahahah See where it goes ====== Same here, notice how it's the same type dynamics than when flirting with the girl Im not asking the workers to like me There's no 'hidden' anything Its more of an, Im here, this is my judgement, I talk, I expect compliance But its not brute force nor forced not abrasive nor uncalibrated nor pushy If there's not a response to my "that's a big fucking hole" that makes me want to engage more, I keep walking Like I asked someone for the time and they didn't hear So fucking what

9:04 AM

============== Last note there -

I'll pass judgment if any girl catches my eye like this

Here you're making your behavior conditioned by the girl So the girl catching your eye is the trigger for this shit of passing judgement If done like that, it doesnt work When you talk to a girl, the behavior needs to be 100% anchored and real It cant be some thing that you do just for her It HAS to be what you do with EVERYONE Its WHO YOU ARE not the special version that only she gets When the girl is there, treat her like you treat everyone Like a boss So, indeed, treat everyone like a boss ==========

I'll pass judgment if any girl catches my eye like this

Me: hey there! I was over there and I saw you... so I had to come and talk to you... I have to tell you that you're absolutely adorable Girl: wow thanks wanna fuck? Me: No Im gay. My name is Todd hi Gir: oh... Me: I love your nail polish color too is that turquoise oh lalal == Conditioning your behavior to girls makes you do strange things. Run it for long enough time and you're Todd. Don't be Todd.

Me: "Coffee tomorrow?" She: "Where?" "My place. Best coffee in Amsterdam." "Really?" "I only lie in my books." "Books?" "Focus, kitten. Coffee tomorrow, my place at eleven." "That almost lunch time." "Good, bring sandwiches."

====================== Dealing / flirting with women It should be mundane easy and meaningless The least important shit on your life What you do just for the fun of it Zero stakes How she sees you is her problem Why the need to change when you see a hot girl Who were you before you saw her? Get the point? You should be the awesome massive alpha king G already No changes regardless of who is there With hot girl you should get relaxed if anything Its leisure time Its not the time to war Its chill time Stakes should be zero Or minus Infinite (edited)

========= Women know exactly what they want 100%, but they all know it after the fact, and can only be happy when receiving it from TG (edited)

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10:33 AM

=============================== You keep asking "why do this" which I guess is your defense mechanism trying to protect your weak shape "whats the point of remaining on my wants???" Well you felt integrity Which is GOOD But look at the practical side ======== Lets say you are out of shape and fat But you get some dopamine by eating icecream and pizza and lazing out all day Then we get to a core want, you want to be fit and shredded If you stay on your wants following that feeling of integrity, and you do it like I ask and follow this through the day You'll feel it with more intensity in the morning then it'll start vaning I'll require more attention from you as the day goes by Then in the afternoon you get cravings for icecream Then you go eat it At that time, the contrast of the core want that you're trying to keep feeling vs the incompatible icecream will get you in pain and shame So maybe in day 2 you stop doing the icecream thing When you stop doing the icecream thing, the feeling of staying on the integrity gets stronger Then maybe on day 4 you start doing more exercise Those two acts are very simple, just yes / no to mundane things But when done being aligned with the integrity feeling you'll feel getting stronger or weaker internally So you learn weakness / strength is fully under your control by the mere act of saying yes / no to the external world And this is very powerful (edited)

10:33 AM

====== Second example Lets say you're being bullied / pushed down by people We get to a core want and you want to be bold and confident and alpha macho man Again in the morning it's stronger, then it vanes through the day, and you'll wonder why Then one afternoon some office bully pushes you down First day you accept it, then you see your self worth integrity disappear So maybe day 2 or 3 someone else comes and tries to push you down and you just say "no" No fights, just reject the game And you'll see your integrity feeling / self worth increase Fully under your control and really simple to do ====== Third example and more to your case in particular Let's say you have active games where you actively go subordinate to others and you roll with your belly like a disgusting puppy and end up being abused and confused wondering if you need to submit more to bad people and learn to like it Yohami *NOWWA — Today at 10:30 AM Then we get to the core of your wants and you discover that actually you want to be a top dog and not an abused little puppy Then you remain on that want and go live your life Then one afternoon you find yourself INITIATING the submission game Then find out your self worth disappears So maybe day 4 or 6 you stop initiating your own degradation And that's a super fucking powerful feeling that reality is under your control Because it is

10:33 AM

==== So this basic, simple exercise of "stay on your wants" and "live through the day making sure that your life is in accordance with your wants, but keep it simple and just do yes / no" is the base for everything that follows You need that base to do the greater work that follows Without that base, you're a leaf on the wind and lost To do this work you need to be fully in command Even if it's a very small boat for now, you need to be 100% the captain of the boat ===========

THEN I never said 'get the feeling of already having it' It's not that you channel your wants and you try to feel like you've already got those things so you can get easy dopamine hits No. Staying on your wants while your current life is shit will cause you pain And that is the point The contrast between your core wants and your current bullshit life is pain That pain is GOOD. That pain gives you the contrast so you can feel good and bad as an immediate feedback loop when you say yes / no to the world Then, you're man, you're not a woman - this channeling your wants thing is not a cheap trick so the world automagically gives you what you want. The world doesnt give you shit as a man, everything you get, you have to CONQUER So it's not "feel like you've already got it". You have to FEEL the reality which is that you still dont have those things and this is bad But then you have to BE THE MAN that acts in accordance with what you want, so for practical terms, you are the man who is compatible with those wants Case example having a six pack It's not "feel like you've already got a six pack" - fuck that Instead, "feel like you've got no six pack" + "be the type of man / do the things that a man who's got a six pack does" You want a six pack and dont have it so this feels bad, plus you act like a man who's got a six pack which means no icecream and enough exercise a day so that six pack develops As you engage in this loop your self worth increases and your tuning and control over reality grows, you become less weak and more strong, internally, by the mere act of aligning your wants with your choices Mundane and powerful Just yes and nos

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11:20 AM

What the issue with it is or how to avoid issues ?

The issue with this one and every woman and every situation in life - frame and positioning You're below and what you want is above you Or, she's the value, you're not To get her value you position yourself below her and pursue It plays here and at the bar and at work and everywhere Then you in particular have a damsel in distress accomodating meek pathetic routine where you push yourself down in confusion and asking salvation from the thing you're pursuing and offering to take in damage and to learn to re-asses your judgement of it like it's a good thing but accumulate resentment in the process so you'll be having (justified) rage explosions from time to time. It's self destructive So, what's the issue In abstract - positioning, she's the value and you're not, she's above and you're below, she's the prize and you pursue Then in specific, your personal way to doing this has an addon of a self destructive loop where you nullify your judgement and seek an aggressor to take you down and you offer your goodies with the promise or relearning to take their damage and learn to see it as a good thing

11:20 AM

All this with some undefined promise that you'll get a payoff - you'll be able to extract some value But this value will never happen And whatever goodies you do get to accumulate from the exchange, will be negated by how much you had to give in exchange and the resentment you accumulated Which will end up in a rage explosion And then your rage explosion will be the justification for the aggressor to tell you its your fault and this is why you didn't deserve the goodies Which should be your aha moment to wake up But likely you take in that judgement and play again one step lower -> towards death Which is how you ended with an (obviously) abuser woman who's gonna abuse you yet again and you're doing all the work to make it happen Fun to watch =========== (edited)

11:20 AM

How to avoid the issues For most men who were trained or got themselves in BG / Beta stuff, the solution is to go alpha / TG and put themselves above and live life like a boss With you in specific, the self-denigrating loop where you actively pursue the bottom slot and try to please aggressors has to stop first So, stop that first Then learn to be the alpha / TG Its simple said in words and it's also simple in practice Emotionally it's hard work You'll feel like dying when stopping the bullshit games And the survival instinct wants you to survive so it takes a while to align the survival instinct with the proper games In the meantime the survival instinct has you rushing to the wrong games "one last chance / one last try" and will keep doing so until you realize that the wrong games just lead you to death, and even some time after you realize it, because it's rooted on past experience / childhood / has many ramifications etc, it's a process to clean the shit up But for sure you cant fix the stuff and clean the shit up while actively doing the wrong things

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Basically, make IDGAF your personal slogan.